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Custody split and family home - husband can't cope with the kids

31 replies

ConfusedxApple · 06/02/2023 11:43

I am thinking of leaving my husband. We have been married for eight years and have three children aged five and under.

My husband has been depressed on and off since the birth of our first child. The whole family is suffering as a result. He shouts and swears at the children multiple times a day, often for really minor things like not putting their shoes on fast enough. The children talk about how daddy is 'angry'. They are quite shy and anxious and I worry that part of that is due to them being told off so often. My husband refuses to acknowledge there is an issue and says, simply, 'It's the kids! They drive me mad!' (rather than something along the lines of 'They were being frustrating and I reacted in a way I'm not proud of, and I know I need to work on that'). As a result, there is quite often a horrible atmosphere and things like holidays and special occasions pass under a dark cloud because we are just waiting for him to be triggered and ruin it with his aggression.

Aside from his moodiness, he drinks quite heavily, goes on all-day sessions to the football most weekends, gambles secretly on multiple websites, and has recently started vaping. He goes AWOL on nights out once a month or so and ends up losing his phone, his bank cards, his passport, etc, etc then stumbles home in the early hours, blind drunk.

In short, his behaviour is like that of a moody, rebellious teenager. I think he is unhappy living the life of a family man, and all the responsibilities that come with that, and the potentially destructive behaviours he is engaging in are an attempt to make himself feel better.

He is on antidepressants already, but is not interested in talking to a doc about changing the dosage or type. He has repeatedly refused to try counselling. I have tried really hard to help him over the years but I won't write about how here as that's not the point of this thread. Suffice to say, I think I have reached the point where I don't think I CAN help him.

ANYWAY, if you've made it this far, my question is: Given the fact he is verbally aggressive towards the children, what are the chances of him being granted 50/50 custody? I think he has the potential to be a great dad if he had a longer break from them and more free time, but I think he'd go for 50/50 (or more) because he felt he should and almost to 'win'. Could I realistically argue that max 1-2 nights a week would be in the best interests of all parties? The thought of leaving them unsupervised with his rages for half the week terrifies me.

Also, although I could possibly JUST afford the mortgage and bills solo, there is no way the mortgage company would transfer the amount we owe just to me. The outstanding mortgage is around 7 or 8 times my salary as it is, and then I expect I would need to pay my husband £100k+ for his share of the equity. How on earth do people afford divorce??? We both work and earn roughly the same.

For what it's worth, I don't hate my husband. I feel desperately sad and sorry for him. I don't want to take him to the cleaners and leave him financially ruined. I also don't want to drag his name through mud. However, I do want my children to have as happy a childhood as possible.

I'm at the very early stages here so please be kind if I'm being completely ignorant. I would just really welcome some advice and tips from those who have been through a similar situation.

OP posts:
MzHz · 10/02/2023 09:31

My poor @ConfusedxApple ! Poor you, and I’m sorry for your dc too, what you’re describing sounds like hell.

there is some good advice here, you do know that you have to leave it’s just a matter of logistics now, try to put feelings to the background. You need to be strong and focused

you will succeed. You will leave and you’ll see your kids bloom in days.

well done for making the first step, for admitting that this isn’t right

SVRT19674 · 10/02/2023 09:56

Please divorce. My dad was like that, minus the drinking, but he also wouldnt look after his diabetes properly and would have lows when we were out with him, so from age 8,9,10 I was looking for him, spotting signs of hypos and rushing into a shop to get sugary stuff for him. That is way too much responsibility for a child. He should have been looking after me! He could not accept he had an ilness. He had a sudden temper. That made me shy and introverted when I really wasnt like that when very small. It has taken years to unravel and especially now I am a mother and I shouted at my daughter and was instantly horrified as I don´t want to be my father without the diabetes. It breaks my heart, we have to break the generation link by not behaving like our fathers or the damage will continue. Please shield your kids from this.

ConfusedxApple · 10/02/2023 10:38

Thank you so much for all of your advice.

@AttilaTheMeerkat wow your questions are spookily accurate. Yes, I have been with my husband since I was a teenager and yes, my dad was a very shouty, angry man - I was terrified of him growing up. I expect that part of the reason I have put up with the aggressive and intolerant behaviour from my husband for so long is because my own father was similar. However, I absolutely don't want to normalise it for my children and have them act the same with their partners and children.

Since I first posted, I told my husband I didn't want to be with him and why. He is now on his very best behaviour - not drinking much, being much more patient and reasonable with the children etc. In my mind he can either keep it up, which would be wonderful, or (more likely) he will slip back to his usual ways. If it is the latter I will make sure to document what happens and when, so that I have some solid proof/evidence behind me before I leave.

In the meantime I have taken on board what you have said about getting ducks in a row. I have started by getting the house valued so I can do some proper sums. Unfortunately I cannot see that we could both afford even a 3-bed house each close to their school, nursery and our family support network, so I am currently looking into the nest model...

I also plan to get legal advice and speak to my boss to see what flexibility there could be around my hours and working patterns if needed (I am the main carer and do 75% of the pick ups and drop offs, but would struggle to do 100% unless I paid out for extra wraparound care).

Thank you again for everyone who took the time to reply. It's been hugely helpful to hear from others, as when you are in a situation it is hard to look at things objectively.

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ItsaMetalBand · 10/02/2023 10:40

Maybe if he thinks you'd be happy with 50/50 (might allow you to have a social life, take up a hobby, do a course for example) then he might be the kind of twat who would dump the kids on you to fuck up your newly single schedule and take them for the barest amount of time possible.

But meanwhile, document it all with WA, I would even probably self refer to services so that when the split does come, key organisations have a paper trail of where you highlighted the verbal abuse and sought help etc so that might go in your favour in any custody hearing if a third party organisation can back up your claims. Depending on where you live and what legal stuff applies of course - so start with WA and legal advice before you say a word to him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2023 10:48

Hi Apple

re this part of your reply to me:
"I expect that part of the reason I have put up with the aggressive and intolerant behaviour from my husband for so long is because my own father was similar".

Exactly. We are drawn to what we already know and/or is familiar to us. We also learn about relationships first and foremost from our parents.

I also think your H will revert to type soon enough; what you may well be seeing from him now is merely the "nice" part of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse which is a continuous one.

Qwertyfudge · 10/02/2023 10:59

Get some advice before considering the nest model, as well as your kids needing a home that feels safe so do you.

There are lots of options for the house including, him staying on the mortgage for a number of years until you are in a position to move or youngest starts school and childcare decreases etc. some agreements mean the NRP stay on the mortgage until the youngest turns 18.

Don’t rush into an option without exploring them all properly with legal advice. Making sure you consider how things might look further down the line with new partners involved in both your lives etc

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