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Am I right to refuse to rekindle friendship with this women ?

65 replies

Sparklycarrot · 06/01/2023 19:27

When I was 22, I got my first "proper," job following graduation from university, ( I am now 30). Whilst I have grown in confidence over the years, I was very, very shy/ quiet/ unconfident when I was younger. I was naturally worried about starting my first "proper" job, but tbf everyone there was perfectly pleasant to me.

An older female colleague, "Tina" ( 37 and single parent to a four year old daughter then, 45 and single parent to a 12 year old daughter now), took an interest in befriending me, invited me on days out with her and her daughter etc. Initially, I was very flattered by this, ( I had been anxious about starting and not being liked).

However, it quickly became apparent our morals were different. She told me she'd started dating someone at work, and asked me to guess who. I excitedly went through the names of various single men in the office, and she said no, it was Tim.* I was shocked, as Tim was our 58 year old supervisor, and well known to be married, ( he also had two adult children with his wife). Tina laughed and said she couldn't care less about his wife, and went on to repeatedly make extremely racist remarks about her, as well as derogatory remarks about her appearance. She said it didn't matter that she was having an affair with Tim, as Tim had openly said he would never leave his wife, so his wife wouldn't get hurt.

Her and Tim would secretly engage in sexual activity in the office, and Tim would take her to hotels etc for the evening. She'd often ask me to babysit her daughter at these times. I now regret doing this. She eventually told Tim she'd told me of the affair, and he was very threatening to me about not exposing them, ( not that I had any intention to). Tim eventually ended the affair when his wife developed cancer, ( fortunately she survived and is now in remission), and Tina made a lot of jokey comments about how it was a shame i wasn't a more serious form of cancer, ( she had womb cancer that was detected at a very early stage), as if the wife died, there would be nothing to stop them being together.

Tim went from threatening me to keep quiet to asking me to encourage Tina t start online dating to distract her/ keep her away from him. Tina spent this whole period telling me how she wished Tim's wife was milking the cancer diagnosis for attention which made me very uncomfortable.

Separately to this, it became apparent Tina was getting into lots of arguments in the office with different staff, and was constantly bitching to me about other female colleagues being fat/ stupid/ ugly. I was becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the whole friendship but felt it difficult to pull back as we worked together.

Both Tina and I left for new jobs, ( in different workplaces), eighteen months or so after I started.

Tina immediately started an affair with a married colleague, Adam* at her new workplace, ( within six weeks of starting). The difference was , this guy had two young children, age 6 and 3. Tina would repeatedly search his wife on social media, send me screenshotted photos and bitch about how ugly/ fat/ spotty etc his wife looked. I didn't reply/ changed the subject and eventually told her I didn't like it, but she continued.

Adam appeared to treat Tina terribly. He'd regularly text her, "I'm bored of you now, I will block you and unblock you in a couple of weeks when I'm wanting to have sex with you again." Tina would phone me at least once a month asking how she could get him to unblock her, and wouldn't listen to any reason when I said he was treating both her and his wife horribly, ( in any case he always unblocked her after a couple of weeks and resume having sex with her anyway).

Stuff came to a head when Adam and his wife hired a young, live-in female nanny for their children. The nanny was a good 20 years younger than Adam, and engaged to her own fiance. But Tina was obsessed that the nanny would steal Adam from her, and began bombarding me with sscreenshotted pictures of the nanny's social media to ask me to confirm the nanny was less attractive/ fatter than her etc. She would refuse to listen when I pointed out Adam's behaviour was wrong, and what she was saying about the nanny wasn't nice.

I then got a boyfriend, ( first serious relationship in quite a while). She instantly became very off with me, started making bitchy and xenophobic comments about me/ my boyfriend, and started sending nasty text messages saying that having thought about it, all her other friends were more fun than me. When I eventually said she wasn't being very nice, she sent some extremely abusive messages and blocked me on everything. Three years have passed, and I didn't hear from her. It was a relief, ( in the intervening period, I had a daughter with my boyfriend).

I've now received multiple messages from her, ( she has set up a new Facebook account), and still has my phone number, to say she was sorry she was horrible to me but she was jealous of seeing me get a man's attention so easily, she thinks my daughter is gorgeous and would like us to "pick up where we left off." She says she is still seeing Adam, but he has still not left his wife. She says Adam is still horrible to her.

She is clearly keen to rekindle things, as when I didn't reply to her messages, she contacted my boyfriend, sister and cousin via Facebook and told them to get me to get in touch with her asap. I don't want to rekindle things, but she is obviously very intense and I'm not sure she will take a no well. Tbh, given the extent of her behaviour and her obvious issues, I don't really want her around my daughter.

How would you handle the situation ? How can I say No without it causing a load of trouble ?

This is as succinct as possible, but there were many other examples of extremely nasty behaviour to both wives, Adam's nanny and other female colleagues.

OP posts:
Ladybug14 · 06/01/2023 20:46

Oh for goodness sake. Ignore. When they show you who they are, stop going after more of who they are - to paraphrase

Sparklycarrot · 06/01/2023 21:03

catandcoffee · 06/01/2023 20:37

Hopefully this Woman doesn't know where you live ,or she'll be around banging on the door.

Yes unfortunately she does have my address , ( from when we were friends), but hasn't actually said anything about turning up. It is a worry though, as she lives approx. a one hour drive away.

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Butterfly44 · 06/01/2023 21:09

Way too much drama...and you have an excuse that you are too busy with your own little one now. So pass that message back through to whoever she tried to contact to get to you. You have zero time for friends even! You're in a different space mentally. You're not lying so nothing to feel bad about.

Puffin87 · 06/01/2023 21:10

Don't block. Pretend you never received the message and it went to spam. Don't react at all.

ShakespearesBlister · 06/01/2023 21:11

Why you would even need to ask is baffling. The woman is unhinged. Block her on absolutely everything. Never ever respond to any contact from her. Keep her out of your life. Permanently.

Happybefree · 06/01/2023 21:15

You’ve definitely done the right thing, she sounds like a horrible woman with a lot of issues

stormywaves · 06/01/2023 21:21

Keep her blocked on everything. absolutely no good will come of even the tiniest bit of contact. It is not cruel, just self preservation.

Militarywife7 · 06/01/2023 21:24

Oh my goodness this lady is beyond toxic, I would absolutely ignore her attempts to contact you. She isn’t a nice person, acts reckless and leans on you for emotional support about her toxic traits of dating married men. This isn’t the type of person you need in your life, she sounds like a major headache!

RobertJohnsonsShoes · 06/01/2023 21:33

What did I just read?!

Don't engage with this woman. She sounds batshit and any interaction with her will just fuel the fire

OnSecondThoughts · 06/01/2023 21:38

Well let me think about both sides of this. Maybe you should just
NOOOOO! There are no two sides to it. You are completely right to not rekindle any contact with this person. In fact you are so right you are extremist far-right (in a good way).

crazycrypty · 06/01/2023 21:38

Block her on everything and tell your family to do the same. Don't reply to her at all.

Get a ring doorbell just in case.

Pinkbonbon · 06/01/2023 21:41

Block her.
Also warny your partner and friends that she is nuts.

I'm honestly worried that you stayed anywhere near someone like that for so long. I hope you learned from it not to be around people who treat you or others like shit. If they badmouth other people for no reason- run. Because they're doing the same to you behind your back.

Pinkbonbon · 06/01/2023 21:46

If she won't leave you alone, You could send one message 'I thankyou for your apology. However i am not interested in rekindling the friendship. Do not contact me or those around me again. Further contact will be reported to the police as harassment'.

And seriously if she continues, report the harassment to the police.

I'd she shows up at your house, do not answer the door.

KettrickenSmiled · 07/01/2023 09:49

This is as succinct as possible, but there were many other examples of extremely nasty behaviour to both wives, Adam's nanny and other female colleagues.

It's not succinct. Why are you so intent on justifying your aversion to any contact with this woman?

You don't need to justify it, either to PP or to her.
You don't even need to say "no" to her. Just block - which I think you are doing now?

Quitelikeit · 07/01/2023 09:53

This woman is not friend and has the morals of an alley cat

block, block and block

SnitterBug · 07/01/2023 09:59

She's a user . Block . Don't acknowledge. Once you reply she will see this as a lever and will never leave you alone .

Wibbly1008 · 07/01/2023 10:01

I think this woman is quite dangerous actually. If she keeps on trying to contact you I think you should report to police. She sounds like she is mentally unstable. People with personality disorder who are abusive will often “recycle” old relationships once they are alone, and I suspect this is why she is very intense out of the blue. She is not a well woman, and that is not your problem. Ignore, block and report if this continues.

Sparklycarrot · 07/01/2023 10:05

Just to update, she is blocked on everything, (phone and Facebook), and I have asked my boyfriend, sister and cousin to do the same r.e. the new Facebook account. Having thought about it, I thought sending a message along the lines of, "nice to hear from you, wish you well, but don't want contact again," would stir up more trouble. Hopefully this will be the end of it.

I think I may have felt differently had she acknowledged all of her behaviour in the past was wrong, but as she has said she's still seeing Adam behind his wife's back in her message, ( and seemed to want sympathy that Adam is still not being nice to her), it seems she hasn't changed at all.

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Sparklycarrot · 07/01/2023 10:09

Also, ( since we stopped contact), I have had a family member die of cancer. Whilst that's obviously not her fault, it's harder to feel any shred of warmth to someone who was disappointed Tim's wife survived her cancer/ bitched constantly that she was taking advantage of her work's generous sick pay system by taking six months sick leave, ( for cancer treatment !)

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DelphiniumBlue · 07/01/2023 10:29

She sounds awful and of course you don't want to be friends with her.
But given that she is trying to reach you through other people, I would reply just once, telling her that you don't want to hear from her or to resume contact because of her behaviour snd attitudes towards you and other people.
Then re block.

linak · 07/01/2023 13:57

Sorry to hear what you had to go through! It seems you were more colleagues than close friends and you were nice to Tina because you are nice and she was your colleague rather than because you shared the same values, interests, etc.

With that, I don't think you owe her anything, like meeting up or replying on social media and based on what you said, I don't think you being nice or polite to her might mean much to her. I wound't talk to her online so hopefully she moves on and would think of what to say if you ever physically see her, in which case because this person seems dangerous, I'd probably try to keep her calm and be friendly but explain I'm going through a busy period and cannot talk to avoid confrontation due to rejection and if she shows any hostility or contacts, I'd report to police so they can advise her to cut contact and she can be on their radar, which could be good for her daughter's safety and wellbeing

Glindara · 07/01/2023 15:05

Don’t let this character anywhere near your life. No response. No obligation to explain ever. Channel the Royal Family.

Know that she targeted you as she sensed you were naive, young, vulnerable and easy to dominate and manipulate. You were probably an unwitting cover for her affair at work.

She likely has zero other friends - probs fallen out with family.

You don’t have to defend or justify or explain your decision to anyone.

Sparklycarrot · 08/01/2023 23:00

Oh dear, just got a text from a different number, ( presumably she has more than one phone, but different to her usual number), saying

  1. I'm weak , nasty and pathetic for ignoring her messages,
  2. She's sure my boyfriend will leave me soon as I'm ugly, fat and look bloated,
  3. People in our previous job used to say I was ugly and boring, she only started inviting me out as she felt sorry for me,
  4. She'd be gutted if her daughter, ( age. 12 ) grew up to look like me,
  5. I've shown how nasty I am by ignoring her when she's in great distress, but I was always weak and pathetic. Blocked this number, but feel a little shaken. I want to reply and let rip, but I know that will just inflame the situation.
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Rogue1001MNer · 08/01/2023 23:07

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

No good can come of engaging

Pinkbonbon · 08/01/2023 23:08

I totally understand that horribly shakey way an attack from a narcissist like her makes you feel.

I had zonethong similar once and replied with 'OK, cool 👍'. But I was shaking uncontroably. Took me ages to calm my nervous system again.

Best to just block there too probably.

Lol 'only invited you yt out of pity'. Aye hen...so whats the reason for wanting to 'rekindle the friendship? Haha. She's so butthurt.

Put the phone in the drawer for tonight. Treat yourself to a hotchocolate. She's like a dementor from Harry potter. Chocolate will help lol.

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