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Why does this hurt so much and have I been deceived?

33 replies

LTBsquad · 31/12/2022 18:49

Been seeing a man for 9 months (both mid-40s) When he initially approached me it was with the intention of building a long term relationship. I had made it clear that I was looking for a longterm relationship or marriage and he had agreed and said this was what he was looking for too. Because of this, emotional connection took quite a high priority in the getting to know each other phase (before we had sex) and we confided a lot in each other about our lives and spent a long time, in person, talking. For eg we used to meet up for lunches and dinners and spent 3 hours talking and then go home. I talked a lot about a past abusive relationship, my struggles with drinking alcohol as a coping mechanism, my insecurities about finding someone who would love me, feeling fundamentally unlovable, going to a therapist. They were equal conversations, in that they weren't all about me. I thought at the time he was saying equally open things about himself and maybe they were open but I am not him so I don't know what revelations he would consider were very open or not. The whole approach was quite friendship-building and felt comfortable and connected. We had sex within three months. While it was great, he did not seem to want to have it that often. He preferred spending time with me, holding hands, kissing, stroking, lying in each other's arms etc, than actually proper PIV shagging, which I found confusing (although we did have sex about once a week.)

Anyway, the last month he has been distant due to some family issues with his parents which are not entirely clear to me. One minute he will say he does not want to bore me with them, the next he'll allude to events happening like illness (eg his mother is in the hospital) and he has temporarily relocated to where he grew up to deal with these issues. He has been back about 5 times to the area where we both live in the last month, three for work, and has only seen me 1 of those times. He has been in touch via text every other day asking how I am, or checking how things are going. We have spoken on the phone about 7 times this month 😒which is really not very much compared to before.

I asked him about it on the phone today and we had a conversation that I just can't understand. He said that I have a lot more freedom than him at the moment and he can't get away as much as I can to spend time with me right now. That this month I have given him the feeling that he is constantly letting me down and he hates feeling like that, and until he can move back to our area, he can't give me what I am looking for. I said that I was happy to press pause on things and see what happens in a few months and he said no, he did not want to "press pause," he wants things to keep going, and he would do his part in managing my expectations better around seeing me and speaking to me and "not be so ambiguous."

I don't know if this is a brush off or not, or he's doing some kind of soft phase out. I took the conversation back to the topic several times and gave him several get outs (like above) but he did not take them. He mentioned us going on holiday together in February which I took as a positive.

As we were closing out the call we were talking about our new years resolutions. He told me that he felt it would really benefit me next year if I drank less or stopped drinking. That I should "take it from him" that burying my head in the sand with work, stress and coping mechanisms like drink, were much worse in the long run. I felt really judged by this, as this was something I actively confided in him about at the beginning of the relationship on his instigation and request for me to be open and lay my cards on the table. My problems with drinking were a topic of frequent discussion between us, and this felt like he was stepping outside of the safety of the relationship to "advise" me like a stranger. I don't know if I'm describing it properly or if there is a name for it, but it's like someone close to you taking something you've spoken warmly and confidingly about many times before and talking to you about it one day as if it's the first time, or an observation or a judgement.

When I said I felt quite judged, he said he was sorry but he meant it well, he was "telling me as a FRIEND, that stopping drinking would be a good new year's resolution to have." I was really shocked by the friend remark. I said I didn't know we were friends! He said "you know what I mean, I was just trying to explain the reason I said what I said."

In the past I have had a habit of being quite duped in relationships. For eg, I can't see an obvious brush off, or an obvious player or typical "line" or future faking. I always look on the bright side and I over-empathize and attribute people with positive intentions.

I know the question is what do I want? I don't mind the sex being steady and infrequent, as long as the emotional intimacy is as it was.

What would you take away from this situation?

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Drinknumber11 · 31/12/2022 18:55

I’m sorry to say this but it doesn’t seem like he’s into you as much as he was before. Anyone who likes you will make an effort to stay in touch or make time for you regardless of what else is happening. If he’s away if he can’t call you he should be messaging daily at least.
I think he will also not be able to make the holiday in February.
Focus on yourself and move forward. 💕

determinedtomakethiswork · 31/12/2022 19:04

I think maybe you are minimising the effects that alcohol has on you and the amount that you drink. Is that possible?

GreyCarpet · 31/12/2022 19:25

Being honest, I would say that some.pf the things you shared woth him during the getting to know you phase have given him pause for thought.

And that's absolutely fine! That's what the getting to know you phase is for. You might equally (and maybe have now) discovered things about him that gave you pause for thought.

Unfortunately, sharing south such intimate information about yourselves so quickly does mean that you have watch learnt things about each other than you might not have discovered until he later otherwise.

This is good and bad. It has enabled you both to discover if the other is someone you would wish to be with long term. It also means you haven't got to know the other as a person before learning each other's 'flaws' (for want of a better word). It also means you have each discovered whether the other is someone you could see as long term before getting in too deep emotionally.

So, I would take from it that he is concerned about your drinking and is taking a step back back to think about it. Which he is well within his rights to do.

In just the second way as you might decide the sexual element isn't to your liking.

Maybe you are more willing to overlook the lack of sex than he is willing to overlook alcohol consumption.

Notsofestive1 · 31/12/2022 20:26

@LTBsquad my first thought was that he’s pulling away because he’s not that into you. But then reading it all, I think it could be he is re thinking things due to your drinking. In all honesty how much are you drinking each week? Either way though, whether it’s due to not being that into you or due to your drinking, he’s pulling back.

HuntingoftheSnark · 31/12/2022 20:53

I've read it that for eight months everything seemed fine, albeit less sex than you'd have thought ideal but were ok with. The last month, he's been distant, alluded to issues with his parents but not explained in detail and thrown in advice about your alcohol consumption. What's not clear is: have you been drunk around him during the nine months, or have you explained that you've used alcohol to self medicate in the past?

As a recovering alcoholic of many years, that kind of admission on your part would make me pause - but in his case it sounds as if he might be using it as an excuse? Depends on the timing of these conversations and, as before, how much you have actually been drinking around him.

I'd be definitely backing off from him and moving on.

Pineappleskies · 31/12/2022 20:59

I can't see what he's done wrong. What has he done wrong?

Why don't you drink less, then people won't judge you for drinking?

Sorry but I've read your post twice and he seems to be under a lot of family stress, has resolved to communicate better with you, has expressed his concern about one aspect of your behaviour and made future plans with you.

How is this 'duping you??

Sorry. Trying to understand.

MayThe4th · 31/12/2022 21:07

How much are you drinking?

TBH I would run a mile at the mention of excessive drinking, but it’s possible that he’s taken it on board and hasn’t realised the extent until he’s actually seen first hand how much you drink.

The reality is that if you drink to excess, people are going to judge. And clearly your drinking is giving him pause for thought. But rather than admit that you drink too much you want to lay the blame at his door.

He hasn’t done anything wrong. You might look to get some help for your drinking though.

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 31/12/2022 21:14

I wouldn’t have a relationship with someone who used alcohol as a crutch or drinks excessively.

He’s trying to tell you he doesn’t either.

LTBsquad · 31/12/2022 21:23

He asked me specifically at the beginning about my life and really pushed me to confide a lot of information and feelings. As a result of a previous abusive relationship and a crazy work schedule, I drink way too much alcohol daily. I confided this to him as part of the getting to know each other phase, and over 8 months we laughed about it and now he is presenting it like an observation he's made - no shit sherlock! I am however never out of control, I don't change mood, I don't drink and drive or look after children, I am still a good partner, friend, daughter, I just get completely exhausted and depleted as I use it to deal with anxiety. It sedates me and makes me fall asleep, it only damages me and doesn't damage others. On top of this I have already expressed a desire to drink less or stop drinking.

My conditioning is telling me that it must be something else, he doesn't fancy me, I'm too fat. Do you really think it's the alcohol?

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Pineappleskies · 31/12/2022 21:33

Lol. Denial can be a powerful thing. I think the 12 people saying it's the alcohol agree with him when he tells you it's about the alcohol.

You can come back from this. Dry January starts tomorrow when you wake (not at midnight). Download the Try Dry app. See how you and the relationship are in 31 days.

If nothing else you'll be thinking loads clearer and less anxious so your judgment will be more accurate.

Good luck

BeggyMitchell · 31/12/2022 21:34

OP please read about Annie Grace, she had a very similar situation to you with alcohol and working.

You don't have to be on the streets sipping Tennents to need to address things. Alcohol if it was invented now would never be legalised.

thisnakedmind.com/annie-grace/

HuntingoftheSnark · 31/12/2022 21:36

Yes, it's the alcohol. Your last post seems to be massively minimising your daily drinking plus the effect it will have on both you and anyone else around you. It's honestly not normal to deal with anxiety by drinking so regularly, and I say this as someone who has attended at least three AA meetings a week for the last 15 years.

I suggest that you start by cutting down in the new year. All the very best to you.

AutisticLegoLover · 31/12/2022 21:36

You're an alcoholic and it's understandable that he has backed off and advised you to address your alcohol problem. Do you feel able to do that? Do you have access to support? Drinking way too much daily is not conducive to a relationship as harsh as that may sound. You know you're drinking too much so that's a start.

supernova1234 · 31/12/2022 21:40

I think he has a problem with you drinking so much, and I can understand this - I couldn't be with someone that drinks alcohol daily and I think there's a possibility you are an alcoholic (I don't want to diagnose people over the Internet, but it sounds like it).

It's however crappy and a bit immature of him to only tell you this now. He should have been honest with you from the beginning, but maybe he actually likes you and wasn't brave enough to tell you so far.

Notsofestive1 · 31/12/2022 21:41

@LTBsquad if you are drinking daily then yes it’s the alcohol. And the words “it only damages me, it doesn’t damage anyone else” are very telling. I have lived with a functioning alcoholic and I can tell you it DOES damage others. And if you are dependent on alcohol I would advise this guy to walk away.

Piffle11 · 31/12/2022 21:45

I drink way too much alcohol daily

This is a massive problem for any partner.

I am however never out of control, I don't change

Are you sure? My Dsis drinks too much: my DM has often commented how nasty/argumentative my DSis gets after consuming too much alcohol: In my experience my Dsis will tell people things you've told her in confidence, she is always opinionated, but under the influence of alcohol she will hammer her opinions home, whether she is being unreasonable or not. And yet she thinks that alcohol has no effect on her personality.

LTBsquad · 31/12/2022 21:49

BeggyMitchell · 31/12/2022 21:34

OP please read about Annie Grace, she had a very similar situation to you with alcohol and working.

You don't have to be on the streets sipping Tennents to need to address things. Alcohol if it was invented now would never be legalised.

thisnakedmind.com/annie-grace/

thank you for this. I am reading it. It's very relevant

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LTBsquad · 31/12/2022 21:50

So you all think I should believe he is not actually phasing me out, he wants me to address my alcohol problem?

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AutisticLegoLover · 31/12/2022 21:54

I believe he probably IS phasing you out. No one wants to play second fiddle to an addiction. It's not a healthy relationship for him to be in and it were him posting I'd be advising him to end the relationship. I'm the daughter of an alcoholic and know the problems alcohol abuse and dependence bring.

beastlyslumber · 31/12/2022 21:57

I think you should run a mile. It sounds like he lovebombed you in the beginning, encouraged you to tell him secrets and now is using them against you. He's not into sex (red flag for a narcissist) and he's lying about his visits home. I suspect he's lining up a new relationship but doesn't want to discard you yet.

UrsulaPandress · 31/12/2022 22:11

He sounds like a fun sponge. Dump him quick.

Starseeking · 31/12/2022 22:14

I'd be concerned about having a long term relationship with someone who drinks too much daily, as I probably have a drink a couple of times a month. He may be a similarly irregular drinker, and is perhaps pulling back from you because of this.

Thistlelass · 01/01/2023 01:41

Autisticlegolover and others - not for you to decide someone else is an alcoholic.
Op you say you use it to.deal with your anxiety but in all honesty the us of alcohol will make both your sleep.and anxiety worse. Recovered alcoholic here.
So I think I would go.to your GP.and discuss the situation. Possibility they can suggest something for anxiety. My daughter takes Sertraline and finds it fairly effective.
I would not worry too much about the relationship.at the moment. Just tell him your decided course of action and update him if it is going well.
There are of course agencies out there who.can give you support to reduce your alcohol consumption. All the best.

Violetthedamagedbutterfly · 01/01/2023 02:20

I think an alcohol habit creeps up on you. Can you go days?weeks?months? without a drink? If not, then you have a problem. You do not really sound self aware about your drinking, perhaps he is trying to help you address that.

I understand all the talking was part of building a relationship, but no one needs to know everything about you, even though you do need to be on the same page about the big things

I don’t know if it is part of a phasing you out move or not, but he sounds kindly.

Aprilx · 01/01/2023 02:56

LTBsquad · 31/12/2022 21:50

So you all think I should believe he is not actually phasing me out, he wants me to address my alcohol problem?

I think it is both. I think he is phasing you out, but he cares enough about you to tell you that you need yo address your alcohol problem.

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