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Do you think this person has a condition and if so what is it?

30 replies

runningpram · 30/12/2022 22:43

I'm trying to better understand a long-standing acquaintance.
They have no friends and no hobbies and are extremely distrustful of others outside the immediate family. People are either good or out to get them in some way - there is little grey or nuance. Most people are out to get them.
They are often incredibly kind and generous to family and are fiercely loving. However they rarely smile or laugh naturally and for many years have seemed depressed. Can regularly fly off into wild rages or suddenly say vicious, hurtful things to those same family members completely unprovoked.
They often struggle with a change of routine and very much like things to be planned in advance. If details of a plan, for instance an outing or a party, change they become anxious.
Sometimes a change or new development in a situation, for instance an adult child changing jobs, ending a relationship or on occasion even wearing clothes acquaintance doesn't like, will provoke a rage.
As a result family members often hide information about their lives from them, even to the detriment of their own emotional well-being, so they prevent one of these situations.
They struggle to understand family members might have interests that differ from their own - ie might not be interested in shopping or beauty treatments and might choose different clothes, partners or friends. They regularly have conflicts with others. They hold grudges, rightly or wrongly they have not spoken to their inlaws for decades.
They also have terrible self esteem and quite a dark way of seeing the world.
For instance they won't take up a new hobby because (a.)they will be terrible at it and (b.) soon they will be dead so its pointless - even though they are only in their 60s.
While I making this person sound awful, they have many wonderful other features but I would really like to understand them better. They have been like this for many decades. I am starting to wonder whether undiagnosed ASD might be an issue here but could something else be at play too?

OP posts:
pizzazze · 30/12/2022 22:44

Autism plus depression/low self esteem

Next question

Vaccine001 · 30/12/2022 22:47

I would guess Autism and depression. It's such hard work

runningpram · 30/12/2022 22:47

Well I guess my next question would be how best to deal with this? I'm not sure the current set-up is healthy and acquaintance has potentially many more years of healthy life, which they could be enjoying..

OP posts:
Notyetacatlady · 30/12/2022 22:51

Some people are just like that. People have different personalities. Everyone deals with things in different ways. Not everything is autism for god sake.

determinedtomakethiswork · 30/12/2022 22:55

pizzazze · 30/12/2022 22:44

Autism plus depression/low self esteem

Next question

That is a really weird answer.

caravanbuckie · 30/12/2022 22:57

Do they fit the diagnostic criteria for autism, rather then the mumsnet armchair criteria?

Vaccine001 · 30/12/2022 22:58

My DP is very similar to this description

Crikeyalmighty · 30/12/2022 23:00

Are you married to this person or partnered with them OP? My H has quite a lot of these aspects but is more sociable

Millie2008 · 30/12/2022 23:03

I wouldn't jump to autism here at all.

Sounds quite similar to someone in my family who I believe has narcissistic traits

Thistlelass · 30/12/2022 23:20

Well are you planning to help them? Would they want your 'help'/intrusion in their life?
People can have certain personality traits - it does not mean they have a mental disorder necessarily.
Perhaps she is on the spectrum/perhaps not. Perhaps she has anxiety and depression, the former could make her reticent to change and need to control her daily timetable etc
Perhaps she has emotionally unstable personality disorder, hence the black.and white thinking and tendency to fly into a rage.
Perhaps she is perfectly 'normal'.

runningpram · 30/12/2022 23:23

No they are not my partner. But I'm keen to do what I can to try to help this person enjoy life a little more and to better support those around them. I'm not looking for a clear diagnosis but more to use the MN hive mind as a starting point. The person is female if that is of any help.

OP posts:
pinneddownbytabbies · 30/12/2022 23:29

I can't help wondering whether they had some sort of childhood trauma which continues to affect them with regard to a lack of trust in people. Maybe they were bullied unmercifully at school and no-one did anything to stop it. Do you know what this person's relationship with their parents was like? Is there a possibility that they suffered abuse as a child, or were treated as a scapegoat by their parents? They may have reported abuse by another trusted adult and nobody believed them. They could feel worthless and might believe that they deserved the treatment they got, and are always really wary of people's motives. They will perpetually be on the look-out for it happening again, and might lash out first. Feelings of worthlesness and low self-esteem would also explain the refusal to try hobbies, due to an expectation of failure so great they daren't even try.

When it comes to the anxiety and dislike of change in routines or plans, that does sound very much like it could be an autistic trait. If this person is a woman, it is very common for women to 'mask' their autism really effectively a lot of the time, but then get overwhelmed in certain situations.

There has also been mention of depression, which also sounds highly likely.

runningpram · 30/12/2022 23:29

@Thistlelass honestly I'm not sure they would welcome my help at least not directly. Some of your suggestions sound like possibilities, although I really don't think they are normal. I see the detrimental effect all this is having on those around them and want to offer some support where I can. I think this is a starting point. Perhaps I'll figure out a way of helping without being intrusive perhaps I won't - but I do want to try at least.

OP posts:
roseretrox · 30/12/2022 23:31

None of us can diagnose

It sounds like their boundaries are set to very high standards - could be that they’re doing this to protect themselves and not be vulnerable. Eg they protect themselves against fear of failure by not taking up hobbies as otherwise they enter a vulnerable state. Or they don’t want to have friends in case they get hurt, so don’t allow themselves to have friends at all as they feel “friends = vulnerable?” It’s like the flight or fight response almost but triggered by lack of self esteem or lack of trust.

The stuff about not laughing/smiling much is normal. Everyone is different, not everyone has a bubbly personality

Getting angry about positive changes to others lives is not appropriate.

It could be that this person has been hurt in the past and is now extremely hesitant to do normal things. They should get support with this from a professional.

runningpram · 30/12/2022 23:33

@pinneddownbytabbies yes that's very insightful. I suspect you might be right - I think they had quite a tough/difficult childhood without much emotional outlet.

OP posts:
BlankTimes · 31/12/2022 00:14

They may be neurodiverse, they may have a personality disorder or deep-rooted psychological problems no-one can tell unless there's a diagnosis or more than likely diagnoses.

I'm concerned as to why you think you should take your acquaintance on as a pet project and "help" them, that's a dangerous thing to do when you don't know what their condition(s) are.

You said "I really don't think they are normal." which says a lot about you. What is your intention here, to "help" them to be "normal" them "normal"? I think you need to examine yourself, your thought processes and your motivations very thoroughly.

Have you even considered that they may be perfectly happy the way they are in their world and you "helping" them to make their world like yours may cause dreadful repercussions and unintended consequences?

BlankTimes · 31/12/2022 00:17

Correction, the sentence What is your intention here, to "help" them to be "normal" them "normal"? should read

"What is your intention here, to "help" them to be "normal?"

DatingDinosaur · 31/12/2022 00:21

Once you've self-diagnosed her, then what? You'll help and counsel her according to a non-professional diagnosis? That could do more harm than good, for her and those around her.

Have you spoken to her about her behaviour? Asked her what triggered the rages, etc? Asked her if there's anything you can do to help when she's upset?

I'd be absolutely livid if someone other than a medical professional diagnosed me with some condition and started treating me differently based on an unofficial assumption. It would certainly feed into the paranoia that "everyone was out to get me" and probably shun them from my life for breaking my trust.

Proceed with utmost caution on this OP. It could backfire very badly, particularly if she has got an undiagnosed personality disorder.

mrsfollowill · 31/12/2022 00:39

Really dislike the references to autism on this thread- my DS is diagnosed autistic by medical professionals and nothing like that! Before I get jumped on I realise it's not the same for everyone.
Sounds more like severe depression or even BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). You cannot armchair diagnose anyone - either way it sounds like this person has a very tough life. I cannot imagine thinking everyone is 'out to get me' or never laugh or smile much. Life is just really hard for some people and she is lucky people still care about her.

Glindara · 31/12/2022 00:40

Could be one of the ND diagnoses
Could be one the PD diagnoses
Could be cPTSD
Could be extreme anxiety/depression
Could be something else

Could be none

Might be a blend of traits from all / some / one of the above

What might be at the bottom of this is fear, either from something that happened or being unable to cope.

This person is likely very afraid of the outside world and likely has a very good reason for it (even if that actual threat is not here now).

GreyCarpet · 31/12/2022 10:01

You don't come across here very well at all.

Don't start trying to 'understand' an acquaintance by posting their character details on MN and asking the 'hive mind' for their opinion on whether its a 'condition'.

Don't take it upon yourself to give unsolicited 'help' to someone you are clearly not close to.

You don't think she'd welcome your help.
You don't think she's 'normal'.
You think (but, crucially, don't know) she had a difficult childhood.
You're asking complete strangers about the best ways to 'help' another person you don't seem to know very at all.

She's not your New Year's project and whatever your opinion of her and her life, she doesn't exist to meet your need of 'wanting to help'.

Wind your neck in and stay in your lane. How bloody patronising.

GreyCarpet · 31/12/2022 10:03

DatingDinosaur · 31/12/2022 00:21

Once you've self-diagnosed her, then what? You'll help and counsel her according to a non-professional diagnosis? That could do more harm than good, for her and those around her.

Have you spoken to her about her behaviour? Asked her what triggered the rages, etc? Asked her if there's anything you can do to help when she's upset?

I'd be absolutely livid if someone other than a medical professional diagnosed me with some condition and started treating me differently based on an unofficial assumption. It would certainly feed into the paranoia that "everyone was out to get me" and probably shun them from my life for breaking my trust.

Proceed with utmost caution on this OP. It could backfire very badly, particularly if she has got an undiagnosed personality disorder.

Quite.

Ofcourseshecan · 31/12/2022 10:20

You sound kind and caring, OP. You want to help her, and you’re trying your best to find out how. That’s a lovely thing to do. But as PPs say, it could be a minefield.

I’d suggest just being your warm and friendly self around her, without shoving positivity or optimism down her throat.

I have a relative who worries and catastrophises about everything, even though the disasters she expects have never happened. She admits she’s had a very happy life, but this doesn’t stop her endlessly dwelling on what might go wrong. I’ve given up challenging her on this. Now I just try to pick up on any non-miserable thing she’s said and steer conversation towards that.

Good luck!

Ofcourseshecan · 31/12/2022 10:22

GreyCarpet · 31/12/2022 10:01

You don't come across here very well at all.

Don't start trying to 'understand' an acquaintance by posting their character details on MN and asking the 'hive mind' for their opinion on whether its a 'condition'.

Don't take it upon yourself to give unsolicited 'help' to someone you are clearly not close to.

You don't think she'd welcome your help.
You don't think she's 'normal'.
You think (but, crucially, don't know) she had a difficult childhood.
You're asking complete strangers about the best ways to 'help' another person you don't seem to know very at all.

She's not your New Year's project and whatever your opinion of her and her life, she doesn't exist to meet your need of 'wanting to help'.

Wind your neck in and stay in your lane. How bloody patronising.

Why the aggression towards someone who’s trying to help? OP’s acquaintance sounds deeply unhappy.

Dietgonetoshit · 31/12/2022 10:23

pinneddownbytabbies · 30/12/2022 23:29

I can't help wondering whether they had some sort of childhood trauma which continues to affect them with regard to a lack of trust in people. Maybe they were bullied unmercifully at school and no-one did anything to stop it. Do you know what this person's relationship with their parents was like? Is there a possibility that they suffered abuse as a child, or were treated as a scapegoat by their parents? They may have reported abuse by another trusted adult and nobody believed them. They could feel worthless and might believe that they deserved the treatment they got, and are always really wary of people's motives. They will perpetually be on the look-out for it happening again, and might lash out first. Feelings of worthlesness and low self-esteem would also explain the refusal to try hobbies, due to an expectation of failure so great they daren't even try.

When it comes to the anxiety and dislike of change in routines or plans, that does sound very much like it could be an autistic trait. If this person is a woman, it is very common for women to 'mask' their autism really effectively a lot of the time, but then get overwhelmed in certain situations.

There has also been mention of depression, which also sounds highly likely.

I think this is a very good post.
It's nice you want to help your friend OP.

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