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Am I being selfish not agreeing with husband going out

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Elholley · 30/12/2022 20:33

Please can someone give me some advice as to whether I am in the right or wrong. It’s very long I’m sorry, but I’m struggling right now.

My husband and I have two autistic children under 6. The eldest has very difficult behaviour and has complex, high needs. He requires a 1-1 at all times, is non verbal and I can not take him out alone with his younger brother. I have in the past and this is actually very dangerous with him running away into roads, having to be restrained, whilst having a younger child with me. There has been awful times where I have left crying after taking them out together alone, I now don’t. My husband and I take them out together and that is still very difficult with meltdowns/running away etc.

My husband works full time and this includes Saturdays. Our son has high sensory seeking behaviour and if kept inside all day is jumping off the window sills, climbing furniture, out of control. So we have to take him out to meet those sensory seeking needs to the park, walks etc. But I can’t take him and his sibling alone, so we do this around his work. So we go out on Saturdays before work and Sunday day times when he is off.

My husband has single friends and likes to go out to meet them, that’s fine. I have lost friends as I am always looking after our autistic children who can not socialise with my friends children. I can’t go to the theme parks, zoos, events and farms with them in the summer holidays, it always went awful, I started saying no, they stopped asking and I don’t see them. That’s fine as my child’s needs do come first. I do go out rarely but I’d make it an evening so we can take the children out together in the day, go out with friends when they are in bed. My husband agreed and he goes out on weekdays evenings every couple of months or so. We also get a babysitter in the evening and go out together sometimes, never the day as we have to take them out together. He has been on two, weekend long stag dos this year which were important things to go to. So me and the children sat in all day and our son found it very hard having meltdowns jumping from the ceiling! I think he has a social life and I don’t keep him from doing stuff, he can go out and see friends weekday evenings. But Saturdays and Sundays are really taken up by our children who I literally can’t take out alone and have no one else to help me, and they also can’t be kept inside all day.

He came back from a weekday night out and said he is now giving me 8 weeks notice to go out all day and night on Saturday, that is enough notice and that’s what he doing. I said why a Saturday we take our son out that day, I can’t do that alone and it’s also the half term, which means a lot of difficult days in a row alone with both children which is really really hard and I really dread the holidays if I’m honest being out of routine and alone. 8 weeks notice is not going to change our sons needs. I said can he pick an evening I thought that is what we agreed, weekday evenings or Sunday evenings. He said he works 5 days a week and doesn’t get to go out, does repetitive stuff with us on his days off (I said that is because our son is autistic and can only do the same sort of things) it’s his routine, he said this is really controlling behaviour as I have all day everyday to go out and do whatever I want. He claims I can do whatever I want and meet whoever I want.

I have a toddler with me 24/7, house to clean and keep on top of, work part time, school run twice a day, hundreds of letters, forms, meetings, doctor appointments, speech therapy, OT, peads appointments, school meetings, for our son I’m so busy and overwhelmed by it all. I have absolutely no time for myself l, have lost friends as my children can’t join in with theirs or go to the same places, im so isolated, as I’m saying all this burst in to tears. I just don’t get why he can’t go out in the evenings and understand our sons needs and that at the moment it’s really really hard for all of us, I have made so many sacrifices, can’t apply for jobs and have a career in what I’m qualified in because of his working hours. So I work part time in a shop. So we all work around his work. He just says I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, he’s being controlled and I’m using our disabled son against him. I just really need help with looking after him and can’t manage him all day alone with his sibling and he is barely there in the week to help either, because of work. I said if he goes out all day and night Saturday we won’t be able to leave the house which is horrendous for our child, and there will be other days the same that week as it’s half term, half terms I really need all the help he can give possible so our son can leave the house and be able to meet his sensory needs. He agreed to ‘do as he is told’ and cancel the Saturday but who is in the wrong here.

sorry for the rant, but I’m really struggling with dealing with all this right now. I thought we were on the same page but clearly not. Please any options of parents with disabled children, thank you.

OP posts:
worklifebalancehelp · 30/12/2022 20:38

I don't think he's being unreasonable at all. 8 weeks notice for a Saturday off once in a while is fine.
You do the same, book a spa stay, it really sounds like you could do with some time off too.

Reluctantadult · 30/12/2022 20:40

Thimgs sound really hard op. To me just going on this, i think the issue is you need some time off. Your husband going out for one day isn't the issue (although the timing sounds bad, at half term). But you need to be able to have more time to yourself too. Will he have the kids for a day so you can have a break? I wonder if you'll say you don't need a break, the kids are your priority, but i think you need to make sure you don't burn out.

Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 30/12/2022 20:42

I can fully understand why you wouldn’t want him out on a Saturday given all that you explained. It sounds like your children have quite high needs and caring for them must be exhausting. However I can also understand why you husband wants to go out and in theory he should be able to (as should you) on the occasional weekend.

Only potential suggestions I have are-
*Agree but ask husband to arrange support for you on the day he is out. Either a baby sitter, carer or family member to help make the day manageable at home while he is out.
*agree but say you will have the following Saturday (day and evening) away too. Find a friend to meet for dinner or just spend the day at a hotel. Then he has the same caring responsibility and experiences the other side of the choice to go out.

Op honesty I feel for you. I don’t think either of you are unreasonable, just both struggling to manage with children with high needs.

jannier · 30/12/2022 20:45

I'd give him notice of 9 weeks that you're out for a day and evening . Book a spa or whatever and a cheap hotel and let him experience how you do exactly what you like ...until he walks in your shoes he won't understand.

Shamoo · 30/12/2022 20:46

I don’t think either of you can be expected to live without ever having time off at the weekend. On the face of it, 8 weeks notice for 1 day out should be ok. But you need time out too, to see friends or just have a break.

Can you pay for support once a month and take it in turns to have a day off every other month?

Is it possible for you to take your younger son on his own and your DH have the older one sometimes, so you can see friends with your younger son?

SleepingStandingUp · 30/12/2022 20:46

It's so hard because he should be able to go out, and you shouldn't have to suffer because of it. So it's unfair on you both.

Is he booking time off half time to have the kids? That would be the compromise. He has the Thursday for example and then he goes on the Saturday and if you're able to get paid help get it. Then two weeks after you go out all day and night and he also gets help in.

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/12/2022 20:49

If you are able to do the same, I don’t think he’s being unreasonable. You both need breathing space. Is there any chance of respite care so that you can get out alone together (if that would suit you both)?

RewildingAmbridge · 30/12/2022 20:50

It sounds like the eldest is at school, can you put the youngest in nursery a day/morning or two a week? You'd get chance to take some time for yourself and to get things done without a toddler causing havoc.
Does your eldest have a social worker? Is respite care an option? This busy be really difficult for all of you, but he's not doing for wanting to go out for the day with two months notice. Your younger child will also need time for things for them too and that will be difficult with your eldest.

Rainbowqueeen · 30/12/2022 20:51

Has he ever looked after the DC on his own during the day???

I think he has been very unkind in how he has spoken to you but I also think things need to change. Please start making time during the week to do nice things with your toddler. How are other jobs split between the 2 of you when your DH is home from work? I get the impression it’s not 50-50. You will get responses on here from people saying 8 weeks notice is fine but who assume that your DH contributes 50-50 to life at home when he is there. If he isn’t and you are not getting breaks then I can see how your response would be that you don’t want him to.

Sit down together and explain that you understand his frustrations at the limitations placed on the 2 of you and come up with ways that you can both get time out and both equally share the load. Good luck

NerdyBird · 30/12/2022 20:52

Can you manage if you get someone to help you take the children out as you normally would? It might be a cost that needs to be factored in to going out on a weekend day but would hopefully mean both you and your husband would be able to do this once in a while. Or have someone look after your younger one while you go out with the oldest if that would work.

Cantdoitallperfectly · 30/12/2022 20:52

Book some time off for yourself, your husband can manage.

Bobbybobbins · 30/12/2022 20:53

We also have two autistic DS and it is very hard. We haven't bern out together in the evening for two years as we haven't got anyone who can cope with getting them both to sleep. We do try to arrange for us both to have time away though and I think your DH is not being unreasonable but neither are you.

On the day he wants can you get a babysitter to help? Family member? Then book yourself a 'day off' very soon!

Mumuser124 · 30/12/2022 20:54

Really hard one OP. Obviously you have a lot on your plate and could really do with the rest but I think what your husband is asking for isn’t unreasonable. I can imagine the schedule and routine you both have to maintain can get quite monotonous. Getting some time out every couple of months with friends to be ‘him’, I imagine will really help with his mental health and coping better with life circumstances.

That said, completely understandable how you feel. You state you’re unable to get out as much and have lost friendships which is really tough because as written above also applies to you. Could you perhaps take some time off too every couple of months to recharge?

I must seem very unfair to you but equally, I don’t think your husband should completely miss out on opportunities if they arise every now and again.

HoHoHowMuch · 30/12/2022 20:59

You say that you sometimes have an evening babysitter, so can the same person help you get them out for a few hours on the Saturday? Could you afford to send the younger one to nursery for a bit more, or be able to when they are 3 and get the free hours? It's not unreasonable for either of you to have an occasional day off to do things you enjoy. It just seems that he is always the one to get the time, so it's not balanced. If you don't want to go out of an evening, are there any hobbies you would like? Probably not a team activity that needs regular input, but a monthly sports class, WI meeting or just knitting in a cafe would be time for you.

WishIhadacrystalball · 30/12/2022 21:01

Dry difficult and I think you are exhausted and needing a break yourself which is making this worse. It’s not great timing with it being during the holidays as the lack of routine will already make things worse.

I fault get your frustration with this but his too. Could any of the following work:

  • you both taking kids to the park early am and then he leaves at like 11/12
  • hiring the babysitter for a few hours to be there to help you out in the house.
As others have said book yourself a spa day and let him experience it first hand. You do it every day when he is at work, he needs to see how hard it is for you to truly appreciate it.
WishIhadacrystalball · 30/12/2022 21:02

really not dry 🤦🏻‍♀️
and Fully get your frustration

Lookingoutside · 30/12/2022 21:08

OP is it that you want to be with the children at all times. As in you don’t want to leave them at all?

SunflowerTed · 30/12/2022 21:14

Sorry but as much as I sympathize it’s not healthy for you all to live in such a controlled environment with no fun. I get it but it’s not healthy to stop your husband having a life - he has given you 8 weeks notice. That is not unreasonable. You need to also find a social life of your own

Opentooffers · 30/12/2022 21:14

Could you employ a carer to come out with you during the day when your DH is unavailable?
I also think what's good for the goose applies, so you should both get evenings out - why does he just get weekdays, not the best days for going out?
Before you had your 2nd DC, you would of had an idea of the effort your DH was putting in with your DS, so I doubt this is anything new to you. It's all very well for a DH to agree to create a child, but that doesn't unfortunately mean they expect to look after them. Did you discuss beforehand that you'd go part time and give up your career? If you agreed that would be the plan so be it. If you had no plan, why the heck not? You sound bitter about how things have ended up for you. I guess that's what happens when you have DC's without discussing who's looking after them maybe.
So discuss now, did you always aspire to be sole household runner? How did you see parenting being in the future? Start with if he goes out, you go out another time. I think you need to share the load more, otherwise you will be ground down to oblivion.
It's reasonable that he gave good notice. It's reasonable for you to give notice for a break and he reciprcates. You are upset because he's getting to do something, that for some reason, you don't feel you can ask for - change that, ask and do your own thing too. Everyone needs a break from routine.

Runningintolife · 30/12/2022 21:16

Yanbu and neither is he, you just need to talk about how shit it is and work out how you can best help each other stay sane.

America12 · 30/12/2022 21:19

Do you get any time to yourself ?

LoveAHolidayOrTwo · 30/12/2022 21:19

I’m don’t think he is being U. I do think you need to take some time for yourself. How about a weekend at the end of January you book a hotel for the Saturday night and have the Saturday and Sunday as your time?

SheldonsShoulder · 30/12/2022 21:20

It sounds really tough OP but I think you’re being unreasonable. You both need some time off to relax and it can’t always be on your terms. I know it won’t be easy but it’s not impossible. Your children’s feelings and needs are important but so are your husband’s and you don’t want him to become resentful. He’s already said he feels controlled. The reason you’re doubting yourself is because something is telling you that guilting him into cancelling one Saturday in eight weeks time wasn’t the right decision to make.

LoveAHolidayOrTwo · 30/12/2022 21:21

Could you use some of your DC’s disability benefit to employ someone to give you both some respite?

VahineNuiWentHome · 30/12/2022 21:23

worklifebalancehelp · 30/12/2022 20:38

I don't think he's being unreasonable at all. 8 weeks notice for a Saturday off once in a while is fine.
You do the same, book a spa stay, it really sounds like you could do with some time off too.

Actually yes to that.

Give him 8 weeks notice to get organised and go away for the whole weekend.
Do that each time he goes away with the lads. It’s only fair right - you’re just getting the same amount of downtime he is getting.

I suspect he won’t last one weekend.

Because he is never looking after his dcs on his own.