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Am I being selfish not agreeing with husband going out

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Elholley · 30/12/2022 20:33

Please can someone give me some advice as to whether I am in the right or wrong. It’s very long I’m sorry, but I’m struggling right now.

My husband and I have two autistic children under 6. The eldest has very difficult behaviour and has complex, high needs. He requires a 1-1 at all times, is non verbal and I can not take him out alone with his younger brother. I have in the past and this is actually very dangerous with him running away into roads, having to be restrained, whilst having a younger child with me. There has been awful times where I have left crying after taking them out together alone, I now don’t. My husband and I take them out together and that is still very difficult with meltdowns/running away etc.

My husband works full time and this includes Saturdays. Our son has high sensory seeking behaviour and if kept inside all day is jumping off the window sills, climbing furniture, out of control. So we have to take him out to meet those sensory seeking needs to the park, walks etc. But I can’t take him and his sibling alone, so we do this around his work. So we go out on Saturdays before work and Sunday day times when he is off.

My husband has single friends and likes to go out to meet them, that’s fine. I have lost friends as I am always looking after our autistic children who can not socialise with my friends children. I can’t go to the theme parks, zoos, events and farms with them in the summer holidays, it always went awful, I started saying no, they stopped asking and I don’t see them. That’s fine as my child’s needs do come first. I do go out rarely but I’d make it an evening so we can take the children out together in the day, go out with friends when they are in bed. My husband agreed and he goes out on weekdays evenings every couple of months or so. We also get a babysitter in the evening and go out together sometimes, never the day as we have to take them out together. He has been on two, weekend long stag dos this year which were important things to go to. So me and the children sat in all day and our son found it very hard having meltdowns jumping from the ceiling! I think he has a social life and I don’t keep him from doing stuff, he can go out and see friends weekday evenings. But Saturdays and Sundays are really taken up by our children who I literally can’t take out alone and have no one else to help me, and they also can’t be kept inside all day.

He came back from a weekday night out and said he is now giving me 8 weeks notice to go out all day and night on Saturday, that is enough notice and that’s what he doing. I said why a Saturday we take our son out that day, I can’t do that alone and it’s also the half term, which means a lot of difficult days in a row alone with both children which is really really hard and I really dread the holidays if I’m honest being out of routine and alone. 8 weeks notice is not going to change our sons needs. I said can he pick an evening I thought that is what we agreed, weekday evenings or Sunday evenings. He said he works 5 days a week and doesn’t get to go out, does repetitive stuff with us on his days off (I said that is because our son is autistic and can only do the same sort of things) it’s his routine, he said this is really controlling behaviour as I have all day everyday to go out and do whatever I want. He claims I can do whatever I want and meet whoever I want.

I have a toddler with me 24/7, house to clean and keep on top of, work part time, school run twice a day, hundreds of letters, forms, meetings, doctor appointments, speech therapy, OT, peads appointments, school meetings, for our son I’m so busy and overwhelmed by it all. I have absolutely no time for myself l, have lost friends as my children can’t join in with theirs or go to the same places, im so isolated, as I’m saying all this burst in to tears. I just don’t get why he can’t go out in the evenings and understand our sons needs and that at the moment it’s really really hard for all of us, I have made so many sacrifices, can’t apply for jobs and have a career in what I’m qualified in because of his working hours. So I work part time in a shop. So we all work around his work. He just says I can do whatever I want, whenever I want, he’s being controlled and I’m using our disabled son against him. I just really need help with looking after him and can’t manage him all day alone with his sibling and he is barely there in the week to help either, because of work. I said if he goes out all day and night Saturday we won’t be able to leave the house which is horrendous for our child, and there will be other days the same that week as it’s half term, half terms I really need all the help he can give possible so our son can leave the house and be able to meet his sensory needs. He agreed to ‘do as he is told’ and cancel the Saturday but who is in the wrong here.

sorry for the rant, but I’m really struggling with dealing with all this right now. I thought we were on the same page but clearly not. Please any options of parents with disabled children, thank you.

OP posts:
roarfeckingroarr · 31/12/2022 09:31

It's not fair to say he can never go out on a Saturday.

Can you use some of the money you get in support (assuming you do) for respite care?

It shouldn't fall just to you but you both deserve a life.

oddwellingtonboots · 31/12/2022 09:33

There should be charities, groups and wider support in your area that you can access - contact social services to ask to be referred to support programmes. ASD Facebook groups are a good place to ask for recommendations for freelance carers.

The people that help us with our son usually report that his behaviour with them isn't as challenging as his behaviour with us, so you might find this happens in your case too.

VahineNuiWentHome · 31/12/2022 09:45

@oddwellingtonboots I imagine you dint have a child with severe SN? And you’ve never had to try and find support?

The keyword here is SHOULD. Yes there should be some support available. It doesn’t mean there is any. And it certainly doesn’t mean that it’s the OP’s fault because she hasn’t looked hard enough to find support.

realynotfair · 31/12/2022 09:51

Phone social services children with disabilities team and ask for direct payments. You can use these to pay for an enabler to take your DS out and give you a break. They might say no initially so challenge it and ask again! Ask you don't mention DLA - apply for that and use the money to pay for either child to attend childcare where you can so you get a break. Also what about home start? They can come into your house once a week. Hope that helps.

VahineNuiWentHome · 31/12/2022 09:52

@Elholley I know you are mentioning your DH working every weekend.
How is he managing to go away with friends on a Saturday? Is he taking holidays for that?

What also strikes me is that he has never been on his own for the full day with the dcs. He has done 5 hours and then you were there to be able to go out together. That’s not the same than a full day Wo going out at all.
And he still struggled to the point YOU never take time off during the hols so it’s easier for him.
When exactly is he doing something to make things easier for you?

To me, it looks like he is checking out of family time. Unlike @oddwellingtonboots exdh who has them 50/50.
Tbh I’d be more worried about that.

oddwellingtonboots · 31/12/2022 09:58

VahineNuiWentHome · 31/12/2022 09:45

@oddwellingtonboots I imagine you dint have a child with severe SN? And you’ve never had to try and find support?

The keyword here is SHOULD. Yes there should be some support available. It doesn’t mean there is any. And it certainly doesn’t mean that it’s the OP’s fault because she hasn’t looked hard enough to find support.

My son has severe SN yes. He has authority IDP (Welsh equiv of EHCP) and gets highest rate DLA. I have done a tonne of research and investigation about what is available in my (very rural) area. There isn't much, but what there is we do access and where there are shortfalls we use the DLA and CB to pay privately for support (which is what it's for).

OP doesn't reference any of this so I thought I'd mention pulling in external support.

There is no blame in my post! SEN parents stick together!

Elholley · 31/12/2022 10:23

We did have a lot of help with Portage for about 9 months, but as soon as he started school that all stopped and I feel like Iv been left alone since then. I have looked for help nearby and there isn’t a lot. There is a an ASD group, I tried taking him and it didn’t go very well and he didn’t like it there, I think he still may be a little young as he has a development delay, so even though he’s 6 he acts a lot younger than this. Most of the children there were 8 years plus.

I’m in the middle of trying to get him moved to a special school and this is very time consuming. As even with a 1-1 mainstream is not meeting his needs. We are on waiting list for diagnosis, he is autistic but the official appointment to have this on paper is 3 years and we have been on that list 2, then we will be able to go to NHS groups but speech therapist has said sorry, but nothing more we can do till then.

We do get DLA for him, we have bought him sensory toys, which regularly need replacing, his special interest toys which cost a lot (Hornby trains) video monitor so I can speak to him overnight without physically having to get up, climbing frame, crash mats, trampolines, special clothing to wear. Lots of extra costs, but I don’t see how DLA could cover paying someone to take him out for the day? We did start paying for private play therapy, this cost a lot and I found he would just like the same toys up every week, for a lot of money, so we stopped. I will look into calling social services about direct payments for an enabler, I think this could really help us.

As for people saying this all sounds really miserable, asking me as if he is asking to take time off work, I do appreciate your opinion and it’s those ones that have made me feel like my husband does have needs too and he should be able to go even though we will really struggle alone all day. I don’t know if you have children, or children with additional needs. But the reason it has to be a bit like that is because of those reasons, I haven’t planned this, it’s very difficult with our children at the moment, it hasn’t always been like this, his needs have become a lot higher this last 2 years, before that was a easier, I’m hoping it will get easier for us in the future and this is just a hard stage..

Someone else asked if he booked holiday for this Saturday, yes he would use his holiday for it, he is contracted to work every Saturday afternoon till late.

OP posts:
VahineNuiWentHome · 31/12/2022 10:23

Sorry @oddwellingtonboots .
I somehow didn’t make the link between that post and you earlier one where you mention your ds and the fact you are separated from the dad Blush

It’s really nice to see you’ve found a good balance yourself with the father. It’s unusual and a great thing to see.

3luckystars · 31/12/2022 10:28

I’m sorry that sounds so hard.

he needs a break though.

you also need a break too.

on the weekend he is away, can you bring your son to an enclosed area, pay a childminder to help you with your younger child for 2 hours. Do you drive?

I know you don’t want him to go, and are exhausted but it could be lashing rain all that weekend anyway and you might not even be able to go out? Let him go.

HoHoHowMuch · 31/12/2022 11:03

You have mentioned feeling guilt more than once. I think this is holding you back from seeking some more help, as you know the complex needs of your child better than anyone else. There will be other people who will be able to provide good support though and you can'tspend the rest of your life not doinganythingfor yourself because your child will get disregulated. If not your usual babysitter then there will be others out there. Or as you have already recognised, easier to find someone to look after the younger one so one of you can be one on one with the older one to allow the other adult to go out.

SunflowerTed · 31/12/2022 13:29

Elholley · 31/12/2022 10:23

We did have a lot of help with Portage for about 9 months, but as soon as he started school that all stopped and I feel like Iv been left alone since then. I have looked for help nearby and there isn’t a lot. There is a an ASD group, I tried taking him and it didn’t go very well and he didn’t like it there, I think he still may be a little young as he has a development delay, so even though he’s 6 he acts a lot younger than this. Most of the children there were 8 years plus.

I’m in the middle of trying to get him moved to a special school and this is very time consuming. As even with a 1-1 mainstream is not meeting his needs. We are on waiting list for diagnosis, he is autistic but the official appointment to have this on paper is 3 years and we have been on that list 2, then we will be able to go to NHS groups but speech therapist has said sorry, but nothing more we can do till then.

We do get DLA for him, we have bought him sensory toys, which regularly need replacing, his special interest toys which cost a lot (Hornby trains) video monitor so I can speak to him overnight without physically having to get up, climbing frame, crash mats, trampolines, special clothing to wear. Lots of extra costs, but I don’t see how DLA could cover paying someone to take him out for the day? We did start paying for private play therapy, this cost a lot and I found he would just like the same toys up every week, for a lot of money, so we stopped. I will look into calling social services about direct payments for an enabler, I think this could really help us.

As for people saying this all sounds really miserable, asking me as if he is asking to take time off work, I do appreciate your opinion and it’s those ones that have made me feel like my husband does have needs too and he should be able to go even though we will really struggle alone all day. I don’t know if you have children, or children with additional needs. But the reason it has to be a bit like that is because of those reasons, I haven’t planned this, it’s very difficult with our children at the moment, it hasn’t always been like this, his needs have become a lot higher this last 2 years, before that was a easier, I’m hoping it will get easier for us in the future and this is just a hard stage..

Someone else asked if he booked holiday for this Saturday, yes he would use his holiday for it, he is contracted to work every Saturday afternoon till late.

Your life is hard - hope that you can get some extra help xxx

Facecream · 31/12/2022 13:29

OP you need to contact your local council for assistance. Mine is Essex County Council and the website is a bit of a minefield.
There should be a number for the Child in Need or Children With Disabilities team/s.
Or a direct access portal where you can email through a query.
I’ve just qualified for direct payments (I posted upthread) but haven’t yet advertised for a PA as I have a lot going on (big house renovations and a big court case).
DM me if I can help

rwalker · 31/12/2022 13:57

Your both brunt out and just survive day to day
You need to find a way of facilitating some free time for each of you
I don’t think the request of a day in 8 weeks is unreasonable

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