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Would you stay in this marriage

48 replies

JemimaBakes · 23/12/2022 23:41

hi,

my head is spinning trying to make sense of the situation I've found myself in and I'm hoping some advice will clarify things for me. I'm in a classic LTB situation but with complications:

the current reasons to LTB is that he does absolutely nothing and is mean. I work part time in a demanding role, I do 100% of all childcare and 100% of all housework (cooking cleaning laundry, bills, cars, events, holidays, repairs everything). Despite me being in therapy for over 4 years and working on communicating my needs to him, he's unwilling to change. I host his family several times a year, for weeks on end. They're not awful people but won't tolerate a word against him. He's hostile to my family and won't let me have any family/ friends in the house without either tantrums or being directly rude to them. He will never watch the kids (ever) and won't have babysitters in the house, we have no family locally so I can never go out without the kids. There's much more but this is the tip of the iceberg. I juggle all of this and maintain a facade of a happy, functional family but im crumbling. I've developed several health issues and been in therapy for years. I barely have the energy to care for my kids, run the home and show up at work. I'm surviving, barely.

initially, I didn't leave because I thought he could change. Despite solo counselling for him, medication (which he took on and off and was my responsibility to sort out) and many open conversations, he hasn't changed. After that, I felt trapped as a SAHM to two very young DC. As soon ad I could, I returned to work and have built a decent career - now where near as stellar as his but sufficient. I was finally ready to consider leaving and saw a divorce lawyer, leading me to my current dilemma.

DH and I immigrated to the UK from our home country. We married in our home country and are both nationals. Our home country applies Sharia law and so DH would get sole custody of DC. I spoke to a lawyer and he said the only way to prevent DH filing in our home country is to apply for a child arrangements order. However, DH is very aggressive when provoked and this would certainly provoke him. Not just that, but the child arrangements order would apply to both parents. All my family, including my elderly parents, are abroad. So I would never be able to return home. I've even considered a refuge/ moving away but my work is quite niche - if I continued in this industry he could easily find me. His family is very influential in our home country and have previously made threats against my parents/ siblings in my home country who I could not protect. Again, DH and his family have form for vindictiveness and I'm scared to provoke him.

if we were to divorce in the UK, he would be very likely to get at least some custody of our children. The lawyer advised that it was a high bar to prove that contact with a parent would be detrimental to children's welfare. This is where it gets really tricky. He has verbally and emotionally battered me for years, but immediately after I had DC1, he also physically and sexually abused me. He has 'reformed' and not done anything of the sort for over 6 years but I have an indelible fear of what he might be capable of in sole charge of the DC. I don't have any evidence for any of this so it would be his word against mine and he's a very very skilled manipulator. I'm not sure if the DC could even give any reliable evidence - he feeds them lines sometimes. For example, if I say no to screen time etc, he say 'Mummy is so mean to you, is she a mean angry person?' My son has taken to innocently repeating these lines. I confide in my therapist and she agreed I was right to be very wary of him getting custody of the DC.

my plan is to eke out a life until my children are old enough to not require child custody arrangements but I'm not sure I can make it that long and I'm also terrified of the impact on my children. If relevant, he comes from a wealthy family who could and might finance a lengthy legal battle.

thanks to anyone who read this far, any advice would be gratefully received.

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dubhdearg · 24/12/2022 00:02

I am very sorry that you are going through this. I have no advice, it is a very tricky situation. Can you look for a woman's group locally where you can bring the kids to find some support? It sounds like you are very strong and doing a great job in very difficult circumstances. Now that you have started to think seriously about LTB, you can work out a long-term plan and hopefully, knowing that you are working towards something will give you strength. Sorry to be of no help and to say nothing useful, but I wanted to reply and not just read and scroll past. Good luck and stay strong.

JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 00:04

Thank you, I so appreciate the well wishes. Even typing out the post made me feel a bit less alone.

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dubhdearg · 24/12/2022 00:10

You know, that is a massive step to take, once it is out there, it is real. You obviously are thinking very clearly about things and getting advice from a lawyer is good, it may not be what you wanted to hear, but at least it is a starting point to plan further. I am sure you will get lots of support on here also, just to know that someone is listening can be a huge help in a difficult situation.

Ijuststoodonlego · 24/12/2022 00:15

I am so sorry you are going through this. I also have no advice, I agree it's tricky. You sound so hard working and devoted. My heart breaks thinking about what you have to put up with. From one mother to another, stay strong, keep fighting through every day. Sending you strength x.

Fudgemaker · 24/12/2022 00:16

Horrendous situation for you. You know better than anyone re the implications due to nationality etc so it's difficult to give advice. So I can only wish you good luck and for you to stay strong

JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 00:17

Thanks, I really appreciate the kind messages

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Rustyhandlebars · 24/12/2022 00:31

I am sorry about your awful situation and have been in similar some years ago. I would advise you to separate now before children are older as they may prefer to live full time with your partner and they may go no contact. Also, think of your own happiness.

JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 00:39

@Rustyhandlebars how did you get out, if you don't mind me asking? The kids are amazing, I spend a lot of time speaking to them about the right ways to show love and care etc and both my sons appear to be very different to their father, but as you say, I'm in constant fear that as teenagers his lifestyle might appeal more than mine. My reasoning in staying is that in the worst case, if that happens, I want to have had as long as possible with them, guiding them to be good, kind people.

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Rustyhandlebars · 24/12/2022 16:56

I filed for divorce, and as my ex was abusive, he had to leave. I had a restraining order against him. The house was sold and I moved far away. My eldest children stayed with father and saw me as a homewrecker. My youngest came with me.
We had a lovely life, peaceful and never regretted doing this.
My children that stayed with me are so much happier and not damaged by the break up.
I hope this helps and you find happiness.
Best wishes

Soothsayer1 · 24/12/2022 17:43

he's got you stitched up very well and he wont change, he's stuck in his 'backward' mindset, I feel you need expert advice here, you'll need a careful & thorough plan if you want to escape this prison.

Soothsayer1 · 24/12/2022 17:45

I don't have any evidence for any of this so it would be his word against mine and he's a very very skilled manipulator
I would start taking very detailed notes about everything, keep it encrypted so he cant access

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 24/12/2022 17:50

How old are your children?

NewToWoo · 24/12/2022 18:07

That is a very tough situation.

I would make sure you have your own secret bank account and start putting some of your income into it every week.

Also, invite your family. Just have them to stay. For as long as his family stay. Let him be rude and throw tantrums if he must but don't let that stop you having them visit. You need them. It will help you gain support if they see what he is like, and you will get strength from them being around and on your side.

Contact a women's aid organisation and talk through the issue with them. keep in contact with them every few months - just so you are on their radar if you do ever decide to move quickly with the children.

Simplify housework, cooking etc as much as possible.

Unforgettablefire · 24/12/2022 18:17

Op I noticed you mentioned sharia law, was it a legal wedding you had or nikah?

JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 22:30

Rustyhandlebars · 24/12/2022 16:56

I filed for divorce, and as my ex was abusive, he had to leave. I had a restraining order against him. The house was sold and I moved far away. My eldest children stayed with father and saw me as a homewrecker. My youngest came with me.
We had a lovely life, peaceful and never regretted doing this.
My children that stayed with me are so much happier and not damaged by the break up.
I hope this helps and you find happiness.
Best wishes

I'm so pleased you managed to get out, thanks for sharing your experience. Can I ask, did you have to prove that he was abusive?

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JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 22:32

Thank you. the lawyer I spoke with suggested I make a separate email account and email myself a quick note whenever he's particularly awful so I can build a trail of evidence (just sharing in case it helps anyone else). But I'm worried that even dated emails are ultimately still my word against his.

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JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 22:33

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 24/12/2022 17:50

How old are your children?

They're 8 and 6. I'm worried about his capacity to deal with teenagers in the future as 'disrespect' is a trigger for his bad behaviour.

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JemimaBakes · 24/12/2022 22:35

Thank you. When I returned to work, I insisted on separate bank accounts. Whilst it means he has much more disposable income than I do, I've been very frugal and saved whilst I thought it would be possible to leave with my DC. Im a bit worried that I'll have to share those savings with him on divorce.

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Soothsayer1 · 24/12/2022 23:11

I dont have anything like the specialist knowledge that is needed here, but generally speaking I guess play dumb and keep him sweet whilst playing very clever behind the scenes.
Imo/e men generally like to see women as much less capable than they are, certainly much less able to be strategic...what I'm getting at is it's not difficult to get them to overplay their hand and underestimate you- to your advantage

Rustyhandlebars · 24/12/2022 23:45

Please keep a secret account and never disclose to anyone.
Keep a diary of abusive behaviour.
I called the police when my ex played up. This all was given an incident number and all evidence was given to my solicitor. This was later used in court.
Anything he said,did. Even how he spoke to others was used.
It's all a distant memory now thank goodness.

NandJsmum · 25/12/2022 10:37

What a nightmare, I feel for you OP. There is clearly a huge power imbalance here. Do you have any kind of leverage at all?

When I was planning to leave my narc ex I was so, so afraid of his reaction, smear campaigns, having the kids being poisoned against me etc. But fortunately I found my leverage (found out he was a serial cheater and collected plenty of proof). I (gently) confronted him with some of the evidence and told him it was over. Worked a treat - he was so petrified of me blowing up his public image that he did not kick off at all. And it's still going well. The mask sometimes slips a little, but never too much for me to handle.

So what I'm saying is- You have good reason to believe he'll play dirty, so you have to be prepared to do the same. Arm yourself with proof of any misdeeds he's ever committed. You know best what kind of stuff he'd most like to keep hidden. And I wouldn't shy away from digging for evidence of cheating either. In my admittedly cynical view, extreme entitlement and contempt, paired with a functioning sex drive, make it highly unlikely he has remained faithful. Sorry, I don't mean to upset you further 😞

But if he's ever done anything wrong that he wouldn't want his family, community, elders etc to know - that's the kind of leverage you need.

ovverleaf · 25/12/2022 12:05

Your story has so many parallels to mine. I managed to get divorced after a long and hard struggle, but I had to wait till my kids were a bit older. I had all the same hurdles as you and also an additional one in that he didn't let me work so I had no money to leave. But there's always a way out, and after years of building myself up on the sly and then making the beginnings of a career for myself I filed for divorce. I am happier than ever without him (the kids are too) and wish so much I could have got out sooner. You can DM me if you want OP, I can share more then. Best of luck.

LunaTheCat · 25/12/2022 12:52

In my country ( New Zealand) there are special charities who deal with physical/emotional/sexual and financial abuse of ethnic minority women
i think you should contact womens aid .. they will no help for women in your situation and will have dealt with it before. You are an extremely vulnerable situation.. you need expert advice.
I am sorry that this is happening to you.
take care 💐

Soothsayer1 · 25/12/2022 12:54

My guess is that you already have finely tuned instincts with regards to this man, with an ever-present threat like this you are probably (if mostly unconsciously) always gathering information about them and where the weak points are.
He likely views you as an object which he inherently owns and controls and since you are a mere woman won't want to waste his time and effort studying you.
You may have more of andvantage than you realise, even so it sounds like you need to tread very carefully.

Wanderingoff · 25/12/2022 13:13

@Rustyhandlebars your poor older child - so you sacrificed them for the sake of yourself and your younger children

the OP sounds like she values all her children so I can’t see her going for that.

OP you have my sympathy - i would think it is a matter of choosing the least worst option