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Separated from husband, he no longer wants kids with me. Having trouble moving on.

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anoremac · 21/12/2022 04:51

Husband (38M) and I (38F) have been together for 6 1/2 years, married for 2 years now. We have been on the same page about having kids together since Day 1. Although throughout the relationship, he had doubts about whether we should stay in the relationship leading up to marriage. I didn't hear any more issues/doubts since we got married so I thought his commitment-phobia was gone. We were excitedly telling family/friends that we'd start trying to have kids about 8 months ago. Then one day he does a 180 and started getting defensive when I tried to talk to him about actually working on a baby. Ended up getting in a huge argument. He had started to become distant, I thought because of some health issues. Turns out he was having doubts about us again. A few weeks later, he told me that subconsciously he didn't think he could have kids with me. That something was inherently missing between us, an emotional intimacy that he wasn't sure if either of us could fix. I asked him, if kids were off the table, would he reconsider? He said there would still be something missing. I asked him if we could do couples therapy together? He didn't want to do that and thought we could do our own individual therapy. I asked him if we can actively work on it? He said working on it means we have to kill the current relationship, get over each other completely, and then see if we still want to be together. Although even if we "worked on it" there's no guarantee he wouldn't have these doubts a year from now. He says he wishes we were in our 20s where we'd have plenty of time to figure it out, but he didn't want to string me along any longer now that I'm in my late 30's.

I had enough of this instability, so I moved out 3 weeks later. That was 6 months ago. We filed for divorce 3 months ago because he said that if I meet someone, he wouldn't want me to be hung up on the fact that we're still married.

The problem is, we have still been hanging out quite often. I tried to go limited contact and that seemed to help, but we still have things to wrap up (i.e. a car, a house, financial things, etc.).

One of his biggest issues he had with me during the relationship was that I didn't communicate with him enough to his expectation. I thought I was very communicative but thought I'd try harder. So I have been open and honest with him about how I feel, about the dates I've gone on, and he's been honest about the dates he's gone on. Despite my communication, he maintains his stance that he's in limbo and isn't sure what he wants. All the while telling me, I'm the only woman he's ever wanted to have kids with, he loves me so much, etc. He still wants to have kids. He says things like, if I can work on my communication then I will have him 100% -- the goal posts move a lot and this feels very conditional.

Well over the last 6 months, I started chatting more with a former male colleague of mine who I've known for 12 years. He actually used to be my boss, I worked with him twice for 4 years total. He lives in a completely different state (where I used to live). I discovered that he likes me back and we have great chemistry. Although when I knew him, he was in a similar marriage situation before for 13 years so there was never any inkling of mutual interest. He just recently got out of a 2-year relationship, so he's taking some time to heal himself. He's understanding of my situation and is in no rush. He also doesn't want us to be a rebound for each other. I agree. He has a 9-year old son and has always wanted more kids. So we are on the same page in all of those aspects and would be open to having them with each other.

My DXH had suspected I had feelings for this person before I even knew I did and had constantly questioned me about him. After DXH and I separated, he kept asking me if I had spoken to this colleague yet and I said not really. He kept asking, why not? He's handsome, he's successful, etc. I started getting sick of him encouraging me and asking so much, I finally threw in the towel and started talking to this guy more. I was honest and told DXH about the fact that I was talking to him more. He continued to encourage me, saying he was proud of me for talking to this person and exploring this option. This was confusing to hear my DXH encouraging me to date him. One night he even asked me if I was in love with him, and I said "I don't know, I don't really trust any of my feelings right now fully." He took that as a YES, and said "It sounds like you're on your way."

The very next day, my DXH calls me up, he is in tears. He says it finally hit him that he might lose me, that I would be falling in love with this person so quickly. He is so used to speaking with me often and having access to me. I told him it isn't fair that he encourages me to date and then comes back the moment I start having feelings for someone else, and he said "I know I know, I have no right." I told him I cannot live in limbo, that I have little time left and this is the consequence of the rest of my life we're talking about. The lives of my children and their children. Then he came over and brought me flowers and groceries. He was hugging/kissing on me. We ended up hanging out for several days in a row. Although I was having my own doubts by the end of it. It's been 2 days and we haven't really spoken much.

I am distraught now and unsure what to do. I feel like my DXH's actions and words are signs he wants to get back together, but at the same time, not. Now I have growing feelings for the other guy. I am also afraid that if I got back with DXH I may not be able to trust his commitment. Also, I realize that him expressing his love for me doesn't mean he has any interest in getting together, more so he is just coming to terms with the fact that I'm moving on. I don't really know what to believe that comes out of his mouth anymore, it just confuses me further.

My colleague asked me if DXH had tried to come back to me yet, because that's what his DXW did when she found out he was moving on. So I called my colleague and told him that's what just happened, that it was confusing/overwhelming me, that I needed to get my head on straight and close this current chapter before opening a new one. I told him I didn't want to hurt him, overlap nor rebound. He was very understanding and said likewise, he's just started going to therapy for his 2-year relationship that ended 3 months ago and doesn't want to rebound. So we've just been texting every couple days.

I really don't feel like I have much time left to be dilly dallying with DXH and his indecisiveness. I also don't want to ruin my chances of this new guy. Although I've known him for so long and we have been very good friends and colleagues, we have traveled the world together for work trips and have shared a lot of very interesting memories through our work. I think we both know it could grow into a very deep love with mutual respect and admiration. I don't think he would close the door on me for needing more time.

I am curious if any other ladies (or men) have been in a similar situation where they had to make the difficult decision to leave a long-term relationship because their partner changed their mind. Or if the partner made it difficult for you to move on. Or if you had fear taking that step forward with someone new.

I know people are going to say things like 'no contact' and 'wait until you're officially divorced.' No contact is impossible at the moment, but waiting until divorce seems doable.

OP posts:
PeekAtYou · 21/12/2022 13:33

He's being really cruel. A relationship doesn't fail because of one person. He was wrong to marry you when he wasn't sure. You were wrong to assume that he married you because he was over his commitment phobia.

The current situation is fucked up. You confiding how you're feeling etc sounds very sordid and a bit like those men who like to watch other men fuck their wives. There's a reason why he is acting like this now. He doesn't want you but doesn't want you to want someone else. The boundaries are so blurred and he has you feeling guilty when this was the plan. He likes kissing and hugging with no strings attached. If you go out with someone else then he knows that he won't get any ego boosting from you.

You can't start healing until you go NC. He doesn't want you to heal and realise that you were duped and that there's much better men out there. You are performing the pick-me-dance and it's really sad. You risk losing your chance at being a mother because being with your ex will mean being back here in a few years or childless. Best case scenario is that you have a child but he does no grunt work or financial help which is miserable for you and the child.

You deserve better. He has successfully gaslit you into this narrative that it's your fault when it's not. Be strong, find some self respect and stop telling him everything. You deserve to be happy and your ex is preventing you from that.

anoremac · 21/12/2022 13:41

@VisaGeezer He wasn't proposing that we have kids together and not stay together. For a bit more context: we had looked at rings together several times and I thought he wanted to move forward. Then something would happen in his mind that held him back. This took place about 3x.

The issue he had in his mind usually revolved around my communication or non-communication with him. He's very expressive, talkative, etc. whereas I'm more on the quiet side, my words are quality over quantity, and I give a lot of non-verbal communication. I'm a writer and a creative, so when I do speak, there's a lot to it.

Sometimes I swept things under the rug and didn't bring them up (mostly not to die on mole hills) but overall I felt I communicated my feelings as often as required. There were times I held back because he was a bit temperamental at times due to his chronic illness. I explained all of this to him, but he said he often thought "if she isn't communicating with me, then who is she communicating with?" He had fears that my "lack" of communication meant I may be cheating.

He has been working a lot on his own self development and acknowledged he has totally messed things up. He makes sure to let me know what he's working on. Communication, as ambiguous as that is, is really the only thing he "has" on me. And since I feel I did communicate as often as necessary, I don't think my "fixing" anything in that realm will actually change anything. I have been communicating and honest with him for 6 months now since we separated.

This is a man who endured a lot of physical and emotional abuse from his step dad and mom growing up until he was 15. I have tried to be empathetic to his wavering ways, anxieties and unhealthy attachment issues. This is why I stayed so long.

OP posts:
Honeyroar · 21/12/2022 13:50

You need to leave him behind. You’ve no need to keep communicating with him or answering his questions, you’re separate. You’ll never clear your head and move on while you’re letting him have such a big role in your life. And you’ll never have children either if you don’t step away. This guy will just carry on with his little game that he loves. Watching you dangle.
ps, when he was encouraging you to see the other guy I wouldn’t be surprised if he was seeing someone else, and now wants you back because the grass wasn’t greener for him and he doesn’t want it to be for you either.

CoffeandTiaMaria · 21/12/2022 13:51

So he doesn’t want you but he doesn’t want you to have anyone else either?
What a selfish git.
Stop sharing anything with him, crack on with the divorce and the only time you communicate is regarding the divorce.
He’s really relishing yanking your strings and watching you jump 🤬

Andonebelow · 21/12/2022 14:05

anoremac · 21/12/2022 13:41

@VisaGeezer He wasn't proposing that we have kids together and not stay together. For a bit more context: we had looked at rings together several times and I thought he wanted to move forward. Then something would happen in his mind that held him back. This took place about 3x.

The issue he had in his mind usually revolved around my communication or non-communication with him. He's very expressive, talkative, etc. whereas I'm more on the quiet side, my words are quality over quantity, and I give a lot of non-verbal communication. I'm a writer and a creative, so when I do speak, there's a lot to it.

Sometimes I swept things under the rug and didn't bring them up (mostly not to die on mole hills) but overall I felt I communicated my feelings as often as required. There were times I held back because he was a bit temperamental at times due to his chronic illness. I explained all of this to him, but he said he often thought "if she isn't communicating with me, then who is she communicating with?" He had fears that my "lack" of communication meant I may be cheating.

He has been working a lot on his own self development and acknowledged he has totally messed things up. He makes sure to let me know what he's working on. Communication, as ambiguous as that is, is really the only thing he "has" on me. And since I feel I did communicate as often as necessary, I don't think my "fixing" anything in that realm will actually change anything. I have been communicating and honest with him for 6 months now since we separated.

This is a man who endured a lot of physical and emotional abuse from his step dad and mom growing up until he was 15. I have tried to be empathetic to his wavering ways, anxieties and unhealthy attachment issues. This is why I stayed so long.

He sounds just like a guy my friend spent the best part of her thirties with, before she found out he was a serial cheat, a narcissist and living a double life.

The weaponising of his insecurities, the insistence that his expressive communication style was best and the way he undermined my friend’s more measured approach all chipped away at her over the years, and she was completely devastated when everything came out and she had to start again in her late 30s.

Your ex doesn’t love you. I’m sorry to say he doesn’t even care about you. Messing around a women in her late 30s who wants children is unbelievably cruel.

I understand it seems like he’s giving you mixed messages, but the message is clear- he doesn’t want to be with you. He seems to enjoy having power over you. Please don’t let him have it. Get yourself away from his influence as soon as possible, even take a financial hit if you can afford to. Because you can’t afford to waste another minute of your time on someone who sounds happy to waste your fertile years on his ego.

VisaGeezer · 21/12/2022 14:13

This is a man who endured a lot of physical and emotional abuse from his step dad and mom growing up until he was 15. I have tried to be empathetic to his wavering ways, anxieties and unhealthy attachment issues. This is why I stayed so long.

My sister's ex had a son story too.

Funny how many people on here had shit childhoods but don't use it as an excuse for treating others esp their partner poorly.

VisaGeezer · 21/12/2022 14:14

I'm sure you communicate just fine.

It's an excuse.

VisaGeezer · 21/12/2022 14:15

Absolute best case scenario in his defence - you have v different communication and emotional styles and are not really compatible as partners.

But I don't think that's the case.

roaringmouse · 21/12/2022 14:17

Move forwards OP and do not look back. Do not hurt yourself any more by allowing yourself to be pulled back to a relationship in which you were never enough. It must have been so painful, and going back will likely only lead to more pain in the long run. Grab the opportunity of a healthier, more life affirming love, without the distraction of a sad and desperate one. Good luck!

VisaGeezer · 21/12/2022 14:18

The issue he had in his mind usually revolved around my communication or non-communication with him.

He had 4 (?) years to decide if that was a deal breaker (it's BS anyway) before marrying you.

HeathcliffsCathy · 21/12/2022 14:37

Whatever is going on with your soon to be Ex he has had years to figure it out and after finally getting married has changed his mind again. This guy is creating instability and chaos and you can't build a marriage with that or bring children into the situation. He seems very manipulative. I would just continue with the divorce. He will be very bad for your mental health in the long run.

I say this as someone happily married 26 yrs. I find a lot of your husband's behavior very weird and pretty disturbing, especially the way he just keeps pulling the rug out from under you. He could make you waste time again until you have run out the clock and definitely can't have kids and then leave you again.

You already are at high risk at 38. Don't waste anymore time on him, please.

Opentooffers · 21/12/2022 14:40

There's a big difference between contacting someone just about sorting out shared equities and what you have been doing with him. You have been trying to win him back still all this time despite denial of it, by doing what he wants - ie open communication.
It's all got stupid really, why are you telling each other about dates you've gone on? It sounds like it's just to make each other jealous, there is no other reason as really its neither of you business, if not together, so doesn't warrant talking about. If planning to get back together, then you shouldn't be dating others anyway. It's all a very messed up way of acting.
Meanwhile it's not fair on this new man and is somewhat screwed up that you are seeing him at your DH's suggestion, basically because your DH seems to get a buzz out of the chase and competition for this other man.
I think from an outside perspective, your DH is a massive manipulator and gets a thrill out of being so. He has manipulated and kept you in your place throughout your relationship and he's still doing it now, and you are still letting him. If you go back, he will still manipulate you going forward.
To take charge of your own life, you need to cut ties. You only need to turn up to any arranged mediation meetings to sort out finances, that's it, anything else can go through solicitors.
It's either that or just let your DH dictate the rest of your life.

DiscontinuedModelHusband · 21/12/2022 15:02

i pretty much agree with everything everyone else has said above, with one slight difference:

the reason he doesn't want you to be with someone else isn't because he wants to be with you, it's that he hasn't yet found a replacement.

you're very usefully meeting all his emotional needs, while he can justifiably crack on with his search.

or he's already got his sights on someone (hence the about-turn in the first place), but they're not playing ball yet.

either way, the minute that replacement is on the hook, you'll be dropped like a stone.

you need to cut him off completely, and prioritise yourself.

femfemlicious · 21/12/2022 15:13

I think you should get use a sperm bank for a baby. Then the pressure is off and you can take the time to find the right person for you. So you won't rush into another relationship and end up worse off.

PeekAtYou · 21/12/2022 15:19

This is a man who endured a lot of physical and emotional abuse from his step dad and mom growing up until he was 15. I have tried to be empathetic to his wavering ways, anxieties and unhealthy attachment issues. This is why I stayed so long.

His past doesn't excuse emotionally abusing you now. You need to understand that you can't cure him and don't have to suffer this treatment because of what he went through. Only he can work towards healing himself and ensuring his fucked up behaviour is reinforcing his past and stopping him from moving on from it.

As a pp said I think that he's threatened by you finding a replacement for him first. If he had found a new woman to sail off into the sunset with, he would've left you ages ago.

gingerscot · 21/12/2022 17:50

“There is no one more attractive than your ex on another man’s arm…” as the saying goes. It’s a simple as that. Move on, he’s your past, madness is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Ofcourseshecan · 21/12/2022 18:21

dolor · 21/12/2022 05:30

Don't wait around for that selfish tosser.

Absolute MINIMAL contact, make that clear to him now, and go and have the time of your life with your new bloke.

This, 100%.

Jewel7 · 21/12/2022 23:52

Your ex isn’t fully into you. He has tried to be then realised. Plus communication cannot be the whole reason. I would step away from him. A marriage as new as yours should not be this hard work. It sounds like your colleague is a better match. I think you know that. Your ex is familiar. He is going to keep hurting you if you let him.

SunflowerTed · 22/12/2022 03:37

OrlandointheWilderness · 21/12/2022 09:23

C'mon now OP. Is this shit treatment really all you are worth?!?? If this was your daughter what would you say to her!? This will not end well and your happy ending is not with this sorry excuse for a petulant toddler who doesn't want his toy but doesn't want anyone else to have it either.

I say this in the nicest of ways, but give your head a wobble. If he truly, truly loved you then he would be with you and you would have kids.

This! You’re 38 - he’s strung you along for years and you’re accepting it?! Picture this - you dump the other guy - move back in? ‘Communicate’ to his standards ? You’ll be back to square one when he decides he doesn’t want you to be his baby mama. Muster up your dignity, stop bring a door mat and move on. Six sbd a half years down the toilet!!!!!!!

Monty27 · 22/12/2022 03:49

He doesn't want you but thinks he can still own and control you. Get the paperwork and consequently get rid of him.

5moments · 22/12/2022 04:23

He strung you along for SIX YEARS. He never had any intention of having children with you and when he married you it was never with the intention of forever.

If you continue with him you will never have children. He is not a good person and has treated you terribly. Cut him loose.

Mummyoflittledragon · 22/12/2022 05:31

You’ve let this man control you for many years now. He cannot love you. If he did, he would either have children with you or let you go to try your luck with someone else. He knows your fertility window is running out. He doesn’t care. His ego and keeping control of you is more important. Pushing you to go out with someone else is apparently part of the game of control. He sounds addicted to the chase and is now reeling you back in because it’s exciting to him. He probably isn’t capable of a mature, adult relationship and would be a nightmare father. He would be jealous of any child you had together and blame you. He would damage your child emotionally and is in no way father material. Having children puts a massive strain on relationships. The communication issues, it isn’t you. It’s him. You’re perfectly articulate on here. Run. Don’t look back. You’re nearly there now.

PaterPower · 22/12/2022 09:10

Your role in life is not to ‘fix’ him. He needs to go to counselling to work on himself.

YOU need to stop talking to him, barring whatever is absolutely necessary to get the finances wrapped up - and most of that can be done by email.

Whatever does or doesn’t happen with the ex-boss, you need to put your exH firmly in the past. As PP have said, it doesn’t sound like you and he were ever a good fit. It would be disastrous to add DC into the mix with him.

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