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Overbearing mother not happy with my life choices

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LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 19:41

So I have chosen a completely different path to my mother in life. I have chosen a life where I can be present with my children while also working. My sister is a SAHM and it’s no coincidence neither one of us wanted a great career but rather investing in our families. My mother chose the opposite, she not only chose work out of necessity once my father passed away when I was very young , she was a workaholic. She could have gone home after her workday ended, but she didn’t, she worked 12hour days without even getting paid extra. At weekends she complained how she hated her job and the endless issues she had with whoever at that time. All she talked about was her work and the problems with her work. It continues to this day, she calls to moan about her work but doesn’t really take any interest in my or my children’s lives.

So after working two years in a highly demanding job, where they expected me to work for free in the evenings and weekends I quit. I decided this life isn’t for me, I did not want to, and could not live my life that way. I believe you make your own happiness and if you’re not happy, you should change it. It’s worth noting though that I quit 3 years before I had children (knowing and planning I would one day very much want children and to be present in their lives) and 6months before I even met my husband. I knew I didn’t want the demanding job like that with a family.

Anyways, met my husband who has a very successful career and is a high earner which is able to provide for us a big house, nice cars, children have more they could wish for, can have any hobbies they want, we go on holidays etc. I work as a childminder, and I love it. I do it because I am happier working than if I didn’t work. I am exhausted in the evenings, but in a good way, exhausted from all the fun we have had that I fall straight to sleep. I have no stress, yes it’s exhausting if one of the kids is having a bad day, but they are generally good kids and happy. I consider myself very lucky to be able to do something I love and to be able to create fun memories with my children. My children open up to me about things, I was six when I realised and made the decision I would not talk about my feelings to my mother because of the way she acted as a result. I am present in my childrens lives, in ways mother never was.

She never checked if I had done my homework, after school I traveled 1 hour on the bus on my own from age 9, once I even walked that distance as I lost my bus card, I was cooking my own meals and have burnt marks in my hands from it. I don’t think it’s a surprise I would want to just be there for my children.

She gave me a call yesterday that just furiated my husband, I got upset, but calmed down as I don’t want to let her ruin my mood. I was happy before the call and lifted my spirits up again, but it still bothers me. I forgive my mother, and I always defend her to my husband saying she was on her own and it was hard. But I can’t forget. I remember being in the car terrified as she was screaming she would drive the car to a wall. There’s loads of things she has done that I could never tell anyone.

Anyways she was saying how I should get a proper job and be selfish and think about myself. That I need to save for a pension. Obviously I am. And we are saving my salary so what is the issue, why would I need to choose to be away from my young children to do a job I hate to earn more money.

She has a job that is really highly respected and seems more glorious than it is. But she doesn’t have anything to show for it, she hasn’t even paid her mortgage off, she doesn’t have a car. She used to always blame us for not having anything but she hasn’t given me a single penny in 15years. She doesn’t see us, her children, very often and my children don’t even want to speak to her on the phone. She’s not very nice to my DD, and favour my nephew but that’s another story.

In every aspect of my life I have tried to do the opposite to her. And I have found happiness. It was my counsellor who first pointed out to me that it was my mother who had a problem, not me. Unfortunately I don’t think she ever will find happiness. It’s sad she’s not able to see the reasons why I would make the choices I have made, that she thinks I must be sad ‘just sitting at home’ (she has no idea of the fun we have and how busy we are). She also said at least both my children have looked after their own children, when her friend started fostering her grandchild. Just comparing us to someone facing such sad circumstances like that is showing she thinks we have failed.

Her career and life looks good on the outside to someone who barely know her, but our life is good on the inside. We actually have a happy family life. I can’t recall a single happy memory with my mother, without it being clouded by arguments etc. There was always that unhappy cloud. If my children have some happy memories, I will be happy and feel I have succeeded in life.

My husband was furious, he says how can she say that when I am raising the family basically on my own (he is away with work a lot) and running my own successful business. She is sometimes wondering why we have both decided to concentrate on family when she has ‘a successful career’ and I have felt like pointing out these reasons but feel I can’t as I know in the end she didn’t have a choice and I can’t imagine how hard it must have been for her.

She is coming here in January for two weeks and I am already dreading it, I can’t believe the things she will be saying if she comes along with us to any playgroups, for example how horrible it must be for me to look after 3 children. In a way I want to just try to get along with her, but it’s just so hard. I don’t think she will ever understand the reason why I am doing what I do, just as I will never understand how she can be so difficult, apart from having had a difficult life.

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summergone · 18/12/2022 19:55

She sounds exhausting and extremely critical , does she really need to stay for 2 weeks ?

serenaisaknobhead · 18/12/2022 19:56

I don’t think she will ever understand the reason why I am doing what I do, just as I will never understand how she can be so difficult, apart from having had a difficult life.

She won't. And neither will you. You're very different people and that is ok.

However you need to accept she isn't going to change. I'm guessing some of it comes from resentment from her, that she never did what you're doing. Perhaps some regret?

Not that it is an excuse. You cannot change her. She must want to change and it's unlikely that will happen.

As for the 2 weeks, personally I wouldn't want to put myself or my family through it. Sounds like she'll do more harm than good.

Dello · 18/12/2022 20:00

I’m the opposite, work 40 hours a week, do many unpaid hours, don’t need to. Mum was SAHP and was very miserable, built a business after we grew up, but does this work from home so can be “around for DF” and is still miserable. She had a career and should have stuck at it, suited her but much too late now.

Anyhow my point is, it’s more about the unsolicited opinions than the choices we made my eldest is 14 and I don’t regret working. Honestly 2 weeks with my DM would be too much for me. She can’t help herself commenting on my working, my childcare, my purchases and my weight. At least she has given up on my hair! Her pet peeves are many.

I’d have planned activities and as best you can don’t enter into a debate. My DM is much less likely to say anything if DC/DH around. Good luck for January.

ChickenDhansak82 · 18/12/2022 20:40

People often forget the purpose of life, why we have children etc...

Life is about surviving and being happy and those two things are different for every person.

Your life sounds fab, so perhaps deep down your mum is jealous and thus trying to justify her working hours. Perhaps the workaholic side was her coping mechanics?

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 20:48

I think whatever the choices are that we
make, it must be what makes you happy in life and live your life so that you can stand behind your choices and not regret them at 60years old.

I am doing what is working for us atm, I was chasing a lifestyle change rather than wealth. I consider myself very lucky.

my mother has made choices that has not made her happy. I know she didn’t have the same luxury as I to be picky either.

Anyways, it annoys me as we are doing very well, are planning for different scenarios for the future and are happy. It would easier to understand if she had a big career, made loads of money and was happy. She’s neither of those. People want different things in life, and that’s fine.

She always finds a way to bring me down, I need to just let go of those feelings and move on. I am sure, that somehow, deep down it comes from a good place

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ColdHandsHotHead · 18/12/2022 20:55

I wonder, did she work so hard from choice or because she had to, initially? Is it possible that she resents not having the kind of life you have, or even, simply, having had to bring up her family single-handed?

user1471453601 · 18/12/2022 21:12

And do you ever wonder about your husbands life? If he is missing out? If you are just giving out the opposite gender message your Mum gave you?

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 21:16

I think work was definitely her escape. She also says she loves her job and the work she does, but on a practical level all she ever does is moan about it. Whenever she has said she loves her job we have expressed shock and told her she it doesn’t sound like she loves it. She says it’s the problems with the personel that she struggles with but she enjoys the actual work.

She is highly sensitive (lights, noises, touch etc) and so is my DD who is also currently awaiting autism assessment so I do wonder if DM could have autism which would explain why she struggles so much socially. It also would explain why she struggled so much with emotional regulation when we were children. People see her as a very difficult person. Of course she thinks we are completely crazy to even think DD has autism so to suggest she does too would not do any good, especially at her age.

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LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 21:29

My husband would definitely swop places with me anyday, although he wouldn’t like looking after children. We are investing so that he would be able to quit or reduce his hours or do a different job.

We are a very traditional nuclear family, but I always remind my children that families look different. Some have two moms and some might just have a dad and that I grew up without a dad. I don’t think it really matters who looks after the children, as long as they are looked after, wether it is a mom, a dad or a childminder. I was basically looking after myself from a young age or with my older sister (she would pick me up from daycare even at 8years old- you wouldn’t be able to do that today but she said my mum was home when she wasn’t - also this wasn’t in the UK. This did get me into all sorts of trouble and it’s this trauma really that does it that I have to look after my children really well and be present in their lives. And I sometimes feel like I am rebuilding my childhood with the happy memories we make.

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GlitchStitch · 18/12/2022 21:36

Sounds like your mum didn't have much choice but to work full time if she was the only parent around. It's easy to talk about making memories and being there everyday for your children when you're married to a high earner 🤷‍♀️

OhIdoLike2bBesideTheSeaside · 18/12/2022 21:39

@LongStoryShorty

My childminder is amazing and she isn't just "someone I pay" she's become a friend and a great source of advice she's just amazing I would be lost without her. Sometimes people under value amazing roles but keep up the great work ❤️

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 21:40

GlitchStitch · 18/12/2022 21:36

Sounds like your mum didn't have much choice but to work full time if she was the only parent around. It's easy to talk about making memories and being there everyday for your children when you're married to a high earner 🤷‍♀️

It’s true- but she’s the one criticising me for it. I never say these things to her, and I couldn’t even tell my husband about it. They relationship is difficult enough without me adding to it. I’m just venting as I can’t get her off my back to go get a ‘proper career’

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fifteenohfour · 18/12/2022 21:41

So you just decided one day to not work and live your life jobless and married rich. Can't relate in anyway to that, so in my opinion your mum is right. You sound lazy. Your sister sounds lazy. You can only live your life your way thanks to your husband. Doesn't sound like you've ever pushed yourself to do anything that wasn't 100% comfy and to your liking. You worked for 2 years and struck gold with a wealthy spouse.

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 21:44

OhIdoLike2bBesideTheSeaside · 18/12/2022 21:39

@LongStoryShorty

My childminder is amazing and she isn't just "someone I pay" she's become a friend and a great source of advice she's just amazing I would be lost without her. Sometimes people under value amazing roles but keep up the great work ❤️

Thank you- I do love and care for the children like my own and feel valued by the families. For me it’s a win win situation as I am working, enjoying it and being there with my children. Would I be able to pay for the lifestyle we have on my own, of course not. But if I went and got another job I would need to pay about 10k plus for childcare a year, so I am not sure where I would now all of a sudden earn that much. Maybe if I had never walked out, but I did. I can’t just walk into a high paying job suddenly.

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FictionalCharacter · 18/12/2022 21:48

She always finds a way to bring me down
Why have her to stay for 2 whole weeks if she’s nasty to you?

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 21:48

I never quit working, I changed careers in search for a different lifestyle as I didn’t want a career that left little space for anything else. Yes I did get lucky to fall in love with a high earner, it definitely makes our life easier. I know I am lucky, in every way.

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bluejelly · 18/12/2022 21:55

I am very glad you found happiness despite your childhood. I totally get why your mum grinds your gears but I think in order to find total happiness you will have to let go of your resentment of her. Have you had any therapy to help you process your past?

LongStoryShorty · 18/12/2022 22:11

I did go to counselling in my early 20’s and was processing about some of it, I felt a lot of guilt and she was the one to point out that actually it sounded like my mother was the one with a problem, that what she was asking from me was too much. For example she used to be calling me several times a day and this would frustrate me as I was living my young life and she would make me feel guilty if I said I had to go or was about to do something. She said speaking to your mother several times a day is actually quite a lot, even everyday.

i couldn’t really remember much of my childhood until I had children. I think somehow it brings it back and things just make more sense.

i do want to forgive her and let go of my resentment. How would I do this? Through therapy?

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bluejelly · 18/12/2022 22:45

I think therapy could well be beneficial. It would give you the opportunity to articulate what happened to you and how unfairly she behaves without necessarily having to confront her. And they could be so liberating. Often I have found that it's the things we can't express that eat away at us. Once they are said out loud, with a skilled therapist, they lose their power (in a good way) and enable you to move on.

Confusedteacher · 18/12/2022 23:04

I guess ultimately you’ve made very different life choices to her and she sees that as a criticism. When she was working all those long hours as a single parent she probably thought at least she was being a strong independent role model for her 2 daughters.

She also knows what it is like to be left on your own with 2 DC (as do I, it’s terrifying!) and is worried for you that if something happens to your DH, or if he leaves, you won’t be able to support yourself.

Would it help if you could tell her that you are grateful for the choices and sacrifices she made, and also that you have put things in place to protect yourself in case the worst happens?

EarthSight · 18/12/2022 23:13

Anyways she was saying how I should get a proper job and be selfish and think about myself. That I need to save for a pension. Obviously I am. And we are saving my salary so what is the issue, why would I need to choose to be away from my young children to do a job I hate to earn more money

She has a job that is really highly respected and seems more glorious than it is. But she doesn’t have anything to show for it, she hasn’t even paid her mortgage off, she doesn’t have a car. She used to always blame us for not having anything but she hasn’t given me a single penny in 15years. She doesn’t see us, her children, very often and my children don’t even want to speak to her on the phone. She’s not very nice to my DD, and favour my nephew but that’s another story

I think you're emotional and frustrated partly because you are perhaps trying to apply logic to her behaviour and can't get over the way she is, but there's not point trying to find something reasonable about someone who has shown these qualities over many years. I can understand why you would feel upset and emotionally neglected by a mother who should have been better towards you. What you need maybe is grief counselling, because it's a loss to accept your mother as she is and let go of the person you wish she would be.

To me, she sounds narcissistic. All style, all show, no substance. Everything is everybody else's fault. She cares about what a job looks like to others, the prestige of it than the actual job (and of course, your work in childcare isn't glam enough because she might associate it with nanny work or house help). Don't expose your children to her if you can help it, or yourself more than you have to.

@fifteenohfour Jesus. Talk about bitter, and jealous. 😂

So you just decided one day to not work and live your life jobless and married rich. Can't relate in anyway to that, so in my opinion your mum is right. You sound lazy

Yep - people actually have the right and sometimes the money to not work and spend time with their own children. It's unbelievable, I know! The sheer nerve! Not everyone has the puritanial 'I'm going to work just for the sake of working' attitude, and that's ok. It's not a competition. OP sounds likes she works to me though. Childminding and childcare is valuable work and it's your ignorant, resentful attitude that makes mothers feel less-than.

onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad · 19/12/2022 07:58

How you live your life and the choices to you make are of no concern to anybody except you and your husband. The poster calling you lazy is ridiculous - looking after young children is much harder than going to work! And I've done both.
You need strategies to deal with your mum - ignore any negative comments she makes, don't engage, and don't justify.yourself, as someone else said, grey rock her. Or alternatively you could call her on her bad behaviour - confront it head on "mum, your unpleasant comments about our life choices have to stop otherwise we can't have you staying here. You made your choices and I'm making mine and there is nothing more to be said." Stay very calm and remember that this isn't really about you - it's about her own unhappiness and resentment about her own life.
You sound lovely and your family sound lovely - don't let her toxicity make you doubt yourself. You don't need to justify why you are a SAHM to her, to us, or to anyone else.

Sindonym · 19/12/2022 08:05

You have different values from your mother. You now need to set a boundary around her commenting on your life. It sounds as if you will have to be blunt.

She May see you loving motherhood and feel threatened/guilty about that. Her comments are about her though, not you (all this ‘you must put yourself first’ - that’s about how she feels. Just tell her you are & you love your life).

Thisisworsethananticpated · 19/12/2022 08:19

This all on her

in that she thought she did the right thing
it wasn’t the right thing for her in the end 😞
and she’s frustrated when she views you and she isn’t emotionally intelligent enough

one step is to make a major step back and try and be less triggered
when you next speak maybe write down her comments and view them as her comments as opposed to a criticism
‘that’s interesting you think that
‘ok
‘mmmmm

ive got a lot of compassion for my mother now but she’s still very annoying !

id also do everything and anything to cut down that January visit
it’s going to be shit and won’t be fun for anyone

Thisisworsethananticpated · 19/12/2022 08:23

And yes she sounds like she has many autistic traits
which will explain why she struggles quite so much

id say moving to a place of compassion and being able to step away would benefit
both of you