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Is this a red flag?

43 replies

Cronton1983 · 14/12/2022 19:51

i was a single mum (divorced/left for another woman) and have been in a relationship with someone for about 6 months. The first few months were intense. I said I only wanted to date but he was keen for a relationship. In the end he won me over. Lots of phone calls every day, declarations of love etc. the last couple of months have been quieter. I feel like I’m starting to be the one who makes all the effort. I’ve never been to his house or met his family. He stays at mine and has met my mum. We were out in the pub one night and he tells me he thinks my friends husbands probably knew about my ex husbands affair (as my ex husband and friends husbands are still friends after our split) and that I was naive to think otherwise. I got really upset by this as my friends husbands are actually my old school friends and i highly doubt that. Bear in mind my partner has not met my friends yet. He also knows how insecure I can be at times so saying that seemed particularly cruel. I got upset and he got defensive. I lost my rag and I told him to go home. So we both left the pub and went separate ways. I had my glasses on in the pub and left them on the table. I spoke to him the next day and he said he didn’t want to talk. I also told him about my glasses and he said he checked his pockets and they weren’t there. I apologised for how the night ended and explained what he said had upset me. He said he needed to think. It was me doing all the apologising and grovelling. I asked is it over, and he said he was ‘very close’. It’s been 3 days and all I keep getting is ‘I haven’t made my mind up yet’. I said he’s being cruel leaving me not knowing if it’s over and he said ‘I’m not, I haven’t made my mind up yet, cheer up’. Over the course of these 3 days he has kept asking about my glasses. ‘They’ll be in the house somewhere’ ‘I’ve checked my pockets’ ‘go to the pub’. I did go to the pub and they didn’t have them. He has then repeatedly said ‘go back to the pub and check’. Anyway - I went and they are still not there.

The minute I texted him to say I’d been back the pub, they’re not there - he messages me to say he’s found them in his pocket. So I asked did he have them the whole time and he seemed agitated asking why would he do that. So I said i would have thought he would remember picking them up (he wasn’t drunk, I was). He said he checked the wrong coat.

I don’t know if I’m going mad but I’m wondering if this is some sort of red flag for gaslighting? He genuinely may have checked the wrong coat but the fact he kept asking about them seemed odd (before I knew he had the glasses). The fact he couldn’t remember he’d picked them up seemed odd. Leaving me hanging for days on end not knowing what’s happening isn’t right either. He’s 52 and has had a fair few relationships but never married and never had kids. I’m starting to wonder if behaviour like this is why???

im just posting this on here because I don’t want to talk to my friends and family about it incase I’ve got the wrong end of the stick and they judge him before they get to know him. Does anyone else have any similar stories or experiences?

im not sure what to make of it all. Having been cheated on has left me incredibly cynical and insecure and I worry that clouds my judgement on things.

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ponygirlcurtis · 14/12/2022 19:55

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Sorry. He is playing power games with you. Throw this one back.

Rebecca75 · 14/12/2022 19:57

He sounds like a no go. If this is how it is in your early days imagine longer… very controlling and not good enough for you

ToBeOrNotToBee · 14/12/2022 19:57

Agreed with above. He's playing power games and manipulating you.

Get your glasses from him and move on.

Lemonlady22 · 14/12/2022 19:59

He’s gaslighting you, making you doubt your own reality. Tell him you are not waiting for him to make his mind up, as you have made your mind up to finish with him. Big red flags waving in the wind, he’s awful!

Imafirework · 14/12/2022 19:59

Oh my goodness!
RUN! FOR YHE HILLS!!!
This is how it starts. He's making you doubt yourself and making you apologize for his shit behaviour.
The glasses thing is him trying to gaslight you.

Huge huge red flags 🚩

Macaroni46 · 14/12/2022 19:59

He sounds awful. What on earth do you see in him?
Hold your head up high and get rid pronto. You deserve so much better than this.

RandomPerson42 · 14/12/2022 20:00

He is clearly trying to separate you from your friends and yes he had the glasses all the time and kept them “to teach you a lesson” - total narcissist and sociopath. Get rid quickly.

Treacletreacle · 14/12/2022 20:03

I had an x who did crap like this. I got drunk once ( he was a heavy drinker, i wasnt) and i thought i had left my purse at the pub. He let me walk alone in the dark back to the pub to ask about my purse, knowing full well he had it in his pocket. He tried to plant the seed about your friend's knowing so he can then carry on telling you they are not your friends so he can separate you from them. Next he will find fault with your mum and so on. Please walk away now his not a nice person.

CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 14/12/2022 20:06

As soon as you became aware that you were doing all the apologising etc, I hope you drew back. It's power games and once you're aware of that, the only sensible thing to do is walk away.

You: "Are we over?"
Him: "I'm still thinking..."
You: "Actually, you know what, I've already decided. Bye!"

ChrisTrepidation · 14/12/2022 20:06

Yeah he's a total wrong un.

He's trying to make you doubt your friends so he can separate you from them. He also definitely had your glasses the whole time.

Get rid.

Alonglongtimeago · 14/12/2022 20:10

Yes he had your glasses. Horrible what he was trying to do there.

rosemarysalter · 14/12/2022 20:10

Have you got the glasses back?

Get them back!! Then walk away

Freak

Thecrackineverything · 14/12/2022 20:10

In the end he won me over. Lots of phone calls every day, declarations of love etc. Lovebombing/Idealisation
I feel like I’m starting to be the one who makes all the effort. Devaluation
he tells me he thinks my friends husbands probably knew about my ex husbands affair Devaluation
he messages me to say he’s found them in his pocket. So I asked did he have them the whole time and he seemed agitated asking why would he do that. Gaslighting
I asked is it over, and he said he was ‘very close’. It’s been 3 days and all I keep getting is ‘I haven’t made my mind up yet’. Rejection/Discard

Rinse and repeat unless you get rid of him now. Each cycle getting worse and destroying you more.

megosaurusrex · 14/12/2022 20:16

Total narcissist, relishing the power he holds over you, gaslighting you and trying to alienate you from your friends. Sod the glasses, just get them replaced and cut ties with him now.

Adelyra · 14/12/2022 20:17

It's not so much a red flag and more an entire string of red bunting!

Whataretheodds · 14/12/2022 20:19

The first few months were intense. I said I only wanted to date but he was keen for a relationship. In the end he won me over. Lots of phone calls every day, declarations of love etc

This is massive red flag. Didn't need to read any further

Adelyra · 14/12/2022 20:20

I want to add: Get rid.

It's so suspicious that you have met no one yet too!

Opentooffers · 14/12/2022 20:24

Saying and doing horrible things. He's manipulating you. Lots of red flags, you know what to do. He may well grovel back after being dumped - don't start feeling sorry for him, hold firm.

Thecrackineverything · 14/12/2022 20:25

The attempts to win you back when you dump him is called hoovering. Don't fall for it.

username8888 · 14/12/2022 20:34

Very red flaggy. He's reeled you in and now gaslighting and playing you. Opt out now

Gunner1510 · 14/12/2022 21:11

Hmmm yes didn’t need to read the full post before I thought lovebombing. Massive red flag, and the rest sounds like he’s being controlling and it’ll only get worse.

Tell him to fuck off and move on before it’s too late. He’ll probably declare his undying love and how he can’t live without you/guilt trip you when you do tell him it’s over but honestly, this sounds like the start of a very bad relationship.

movingon2022 · 14/12/2022 21:12

Gaslighting or not, this one is not a keeper.

Thelifeofawife · 15/12/2022 00:26

There is a possibility that your friends husbands knew what your ex was doing. It doesn’t mean they don’t value your friendship but it’s a very difficult situation for them to be in. If they told you would you resent them for delivering the bad news, would they feel guilty for “splitting you up”.

That said, when it’s clear you’re upset by the conversation your partner should have backed off and apologised.
He is sulking now and leaving you dangling to punish you - it will only get worse. You will feel like you’re going crazy as time goes on.
With the glasses he definitely knew he had them, even if he didn’t realise straight away he for sure knew long before he told you. He was getting pleasure out of you being without them, him knowing and you stressing about them

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 15/12/2022 00:34

Please don't accept this behaviour, you're worth more than that
He should be the one asking if it's over.
Get your glasses, say goodbye and thank your lucky stars you saw him for what he is. Good luck!

OldFan · 15/12/2022 01:00

I don't know if the glasses thing is anything, but the leaving you hanging is not ok. Take the power back- be the one to end it.

Oh and you did nothing wrong to apologize for or anything- what he said was unnecessary and cruel.