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Is this a red flag?

43 replies

Cronton1983 · 14/12/2022 19:51

i was a single mum (divorced/left for another woman) and have been in a relationship with someone for about 6 months. The first few months were intense. I said I only wanted to date but he was keen for a relationship. In the end he won me over. Lots of phone calls every day, declarations of love etc. the last couple of months have been quieter. I feel like I’m starting to be the one who makes all the effort. I’ve never been to his house or met his family. He stays at mine and has met my mum. We were out in the pub one night and he tells me he thinks my friends husbands probably knew about my ex husbands affair (as my ex husband and friends husbands are still friends after our split) and that I was naive to think otherwise. I got really upset by this as my friends husbands are actually my old school friends and i highly doubt that. Bear in mind my partner has not met my friends yet. He also knows how insecure I can be at times so saying that seemed particularly cruel. I got upset and he got defensive. I lost my rag and I told him to go home. So we both left the pub and went separate ways. I had my glasses on in the pub and left them on the table. I spoke to him the next day and he said he didn’t want to talk. I also told him about my glasses and he said he checked his pockets and they weren’t there. I apologised for how the night ended and explained what he said had upset me. He said he needed to think. It was me doing all the apologising and grovelling. I asked is it over, and he said he was ‘very close’. It’s been 3 days and all I keep getting is ‘I haven’t made my mind up yet’. I said he’s being cruel leaving me not knowing if it’s over and he said ‘I’m not, I haven’t made my mind up yet, cheer up’. Over the course of these 3 days he has kept asking about my glasses. ‘They’ll be in the house somewhere’ ‘I’ve checked my pockets’ ‘go to the pub’. I did go to the pub and they didn’t have them. He has then repeatedly said ‘go back to the pub and check’. Anyway - I went and they are still not there.

The minute I texted him to say I’d been back the pub, they’re not there - he messages me to say he’s found them in his pocket. So I asked did he have them the whole time and he seemed agitated asking why would he do that. So I said i would have thought he would remember picking them up (he wasn’t drunk, I was). He said he checked the wrong coat.

I don’t know if I’m going mad but I’m wondering if this is some sort of red flag for gaslighting? He genuinely may have checked the wrong coat but the fact he kept asking about them seemed odd (before I knew he had the glasses). The fact he couldn’t remember he’d picked them up seemed odd. Leaving me hanging for days on end not knowing what’s happening isn’t right either. He’s 52 and has had a fair few relationships but never married and never had kids. I’m starting to wonder if behaviour like this is why???

im just posting this on here because I don’t want to talk to my friends and family about it incase I’ve got the wrong end of the stick and they judge him before they get to know him. Does anyone else have any similar stories or experiences?

im not sure what to make of it all. Having been cheated on has left me incredibly cynical and insecure and I worry that clouds my judgement on things.

OP posts:
mydogsteppedonabee · 15/12/2022 01:11

Run 🏃‍♀️

SwimInTheRain · 15/12/2022 05:59

Yes, everything that has been said so far. You are describing the classic pattern of an abusive relationship.

bert3400 · 15/12/2022 06:11

So many red flags .

abblie · 15/12/2022 06:19

Get your glasses, then block his number and run

Savoretti · 15/12/2022 06:26

Omg I married a man like this. Get out quick!

He totally knew he had your glasses. What a nasty thing to do. And as everyone else says -
he’s keeping you dangling and wants you to beg for him. Run Run Run

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 15/12/2022 06:26

I would say he is married.

category12 · 15/12/2022 06:30

Dump him.

2catsandhappy · 15/12/2022 06:32

Well done on spotting these red flags so early. Ask him to leave the glasses in a neutral place(behind the pub bar?) and block him.
He got a nasty thrill at your confusion over the glasses. He kept bringing it up to relive that thrill again and again. Sowing seeds of doubt about your longtime friends is the start of a long term plan to isolate you. Jealousy and insecurity.
You have found the reason he has not had a long term relationship. Your judgement is spot on. Trust your doubts about him.
Now you have had a long hard think, can you recall anything else that seemed 'off' at the time?

BMrs · 15/12/2022 06:41

The bid is scary behaviour! A friend of mine has just left an awful awful cohersive control relationship and it has broken her. This is something he would have done!

Run run run

MamaFirst · 15/12/2022 06:43

Massive red flag. The glasses and the threatening to break up with you /string you along without a decision after what was effectively just an argument. He sounds a total arse.

cunningartificer · 15/12/2022 06:45

You're giving him all the power. Take it back! Red flag upon red flag...

ConnieTucker · 15/12/2022 06:48

2catsandhappy · 15/12/2022 06:32

Well done on spotting these red flags so early. Ask him to leave the glasses in a neutral place(behind the pub bar?) and block him.
He got a nasty thrill at your confusion over the glasses. He kept bringing it up to relive that thrill again and again. Sowing seeds of doubt about your longtime friends is the start of a long term plan to isolate you. Jealousy and insecurity.
You have found the reason he has not had a long term relationship. Your judgement is spot on. Trust your doubts about him.
Now you have had a long hard think, can you recall anything else that seemed 'off' at the time?

This.

Cronton1983 · 15/12/2022 06:52

Thanks everyone for your messages. You’re all right. To complicate matters I work with him, so even in ending it I’ll still see him in the office twice a week. My own fault for getting involved with someone at work, I should have thought that through better. I know he’s not married - because I’ve known him in work for over a year. And my work colleagues have known him for longer and I can’t see how he could hide that.

To the person asking if there’s anything else that seemed ‘off’ - thinking about it, a lot of his ex’s he has met in work. His last GF he met before me worked with him where I work now - but she left years ago. The work place seems to be where he finds his relationships.

I didn’t always fancy him. I liked him as a friend. I was out one night with a female co-worker (who at the time I think had a thing for him but she was married) and he was out with his GF. He invited me and my female friend to sit with them, saying ‘come and meet my GF’. So we did. Just had a few drinks and a chat. I got upset talking about my husband leaving me. He gave me a hug. Then him and his GF left. Never thought anything of it at the time. Fast forward months later when we started dating he said his now ex GF had said to him that night ‘you like her’ (as in me). He told her that he didn’t and we were just friends. I didn’t think anything of it at the time because we were just friends. But I’m wondering if this was him gaslighting her too???? inviting us over knowing that he fancies me and making his GF feel uncomfortable?

OP posts:
Underroad · 15/12/2022 06:52

Just echoing what everybody else said. This is a classic abuse pattern. Eventually he will throw you just enough crumbs to make you think he is the lovely person you thought you’d met and then the pattern will repeat again. However, he won’t have chance to do that because hopefully you will end things and get rid. Be warned - he will try to reel you back in again (either as soon as you end things or he might wait a bit then pop up claiming to be heartbroken and sorry). This is part of the abuse pattern too - don’t fall for it.

Underroad · 15/12/2022 06:54

Cronton1983 · 15/12/2022 06:52

Thanks everyone for your messages. You’re all right. To complicate matters I work with him, so even in ending it I’ll still see him in the office twice a week. My own fault for getting involved with someone at work, I should have thought that through better. I know he’s not married - because I’ve known him in work for over a year. And my work colleagues have known him for longer and I can’t see how he could hide that.

To the person asking if there’s anything else that seemed ‘off’ - thinking about it, a lot of his ex’s he has met in work. His last GF he met before me worked with him where I work now - but she left years ago. The work place seems to be where he finds his relationships.

I didn’t always fancy him. I liked him as a friend. I was out one night with a female co-worker (who at the time I think had a thing for him but she was married) and he was out with his GF. He invited me and my female friend to sit with them, saying ‘come and meet my GF’. So we did. Just had a few drinks and a chat. I got upset talking about my husband leaving me. He gave me a hug. Then him and his GF left. Never thought anything of it at the time. Fast forward months later when we started dating he said his now ex GF had said to him that night ‘you like her’ (as in me). He told her that he didn’t and we were just friends. I didn’t think anything of it at the time because we were just friends. But I’m wondering if this was him gaslighting her too???? inviting us over knowing that he fancies me and making his GF feel uncomfortable?

Yes, that’s called triangulation - setting up another person for the purpose of abusing/controlling/upsetting your partner.

winterbride23 · 15/12/2022 07:28

This post makes me SO angry on your behalf, OP. How dare he make you question your value by effectively having you begging for his affection/relationship?!! Regain your control of this situation ASAP and tell him what the score is.

Whydidimarryhim · 15/12/2022 08:00

He had your glasses all the time - he is NOT a healthy man - I hope you have dumped him.

Evasmissingletter · 15/12/2022 09:55

I nicked this from another poster on MN……
In 2015, Tunisians unfurled a national flag the size of 19 football pitches.

The red flag here might be even larger

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