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Husband and separate finances. Feels unfair

31 replies

flono · 11/12/2022 20:10

Bit of a long one and don’t know if I’m worrying about nothing.
Throughout mine and my partners relationship we’ve always just had our own money and it’s kept separate. We are married and have kids. I earn very little whilst my partner does quite well. The bills get paid through his account and I send £20 a week to go towards these bills. I realise this isn’t a lot but it’s relative to how much I earn.

A lot of the time I struggle to buy petrol and small shops of food or things for the kids. I pay for my own phone bill and car insurance. He pays for the main food shop but I ask for it when I go food shopping and it always makes me feel awkward. Never has he denied money in any way and if I’m struggling he will help me out but I will always pay it back.

He spends money quite a lot on labelled clothes/ buys lunch everyday and has an expensive car which is paid for monthly.

The car started the issues. It wasn’t discussed with me which I understand it’s his money but this has now put a strain on his finances now bills are more.

I’m really frugal with money because I never have much in my account and all his spending is starting to not sit right with me.
I’m looking for a job that would pay more but I still want it to work around the kids for childcare reasons so options and pay are limited. I’ve given up hobbies that I enjoyed this year to help my finances.

I don’t know what I’m trying to say really but I have all sorts of negative feelings and I’m always worrying about money.

It would be nice if the finances were our finances and we could discuss things and make decisions together and it would be a lot less degrading if I didn’t have to ask for money to buy food for our family.
Every time I bring up money the conversation doesn’t go anywhere.

Any advice welcome 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
Elieza · 11/12/2022 20:19

Is there a backstory to this? Like he pays for mega thousand pound holidays or something to make up for his stingyness?

Or is he just not into kids and sees them as ‘yours’?

My friend had one of those husbands. His opinion is that “if you want kids then you have to pay for them and do everything for them”. She had them knowing this but the reality is a bit much tbh. If that’s what’s happened with you then you’re in the same boat as her.

I wouldn’t be having that. They are half his. He needs to pay half.

The reason your convos don’t go anywhere is because he’s made up his mind he’s not paying and you can’t make him. He probably has a lack of respect for you. And probably doesn’t love you very much or he’s be bending over backwards for you. Sorry.

Id be off. He’s a stingy bastard.

HermioneWeasley · 11/12/2022 20:22

You are married - it is family money. He can only go to work because you take care of the kids and house. Divorce him - you’ll be better off

boobot1 · 11/12/2022 20:22

That is not normal. Its not his money, its family money. Why not just have one account all bills come out of and whats left is for you both to use as you see fit. A marriage is a partnership, an equal partnership!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/12/2022 20:23

How long have you been together and how long have you been married?.

He does not want to share. He is using money here and your lack of it to control you. When was the last time for instance you had your hair cut, eyesight checked, went to the dentist, bought some new clothes?. You know, checks and things for you. My guess too that he has done all that and more besides far more often than you ever have.

I presume you are in the UK.

If so I would contact Womens Aid as you are being economically/financially abused by him. There is a power and control balance in this relationship in his favour and he is not going to relinquish any of that at all.

LeavesOnTrees · 11/12/2022 20:23

Start billing him for childcare plus expenses, including lunch.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/12/2022 20:24

I would also suggest you seek legal advice asap re divorcing him. Knowledge is power.

pinkfondu · 11/12/2022 20:29

If you can't afford what you need to buy, and he can buy whatever he wants then you have a very serious issue

Lcb123 · 11/12/2022 20:42

This seems like financial abuse. you’re married with kids - all money should be joint.

MajorCarolDanvers · 11/12/2022 20:42

His behaviour is appalling.

This is financial abuse.

You are struggling to buy food and petrol and he's driving a luxury car and wearing fancy clothes.

Advice - leave.

Liz1tummypain · 11/12/2022 23:00

The income you both earn is owned jointly.it isn't "his". Did you bill him for your services in birthing children? Probably not.

Show him these responses. He's being unreasonable.

SunshineLoving · 11/12/2022 23:04

That's awful OP. You should not be struggling for money whilst your husband is buying designer clothes and flashy cars.

I can't even suggest that you try and make your finances more equal. If your husband is prepared to treat you like this, he can't love you. I would be leaving asap.

Heavyraindropsarefallingonmyhead · 11/12/2022 23:07

Let me guess, you need a job that fits around childcare because he would see the childcare bills as yours?

And the things for the kids that you buy by yourself are actually joint expenses, like presents, clothes, books etc?

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 11/12/2022 23:09

Xdh was like this - it was partly just his very controlling nature, partly because he saw the kids as mine not his. It's not fair or healthy or loving. What would happen if you started a discussion about it?

ElliF · 18/02/2023 19:12

Fundamentally, no, it is not alright for a couple to have separate finances, unless you’re BF/GF and you’re just playing house and learning this shit.

An ADULT relationship is a partnership. All money is the family’s money. None of the money is embued with special essence and belongs to him or her because of who earned it. You are in the business of building and family. If you stay at home and clean the clothes, and that is your role in the family, that does not mean his role is any more or less important. He does not need to think about dealing with the stuff that you deal with, which frees him to deal with the stuff he deals with. In our home I deal with the house and DD and he deals with the income and the car.

Its the family’s money, and the family should have a goal as to where the family is going. Are we going to have kids? Do we need a bigger house? Do we have savings for a crisis? Are we going to start saving in the kids names? You make all your decisions together and you move through life as one whole family.

Now, I’m not saying you don’t have separate accounts. What I mean is you don’t have separate finances. We have separate accounts and all the bills come of DH’s account. And you may also have various savings accounts, ISAs etc, which you can’t do in joint names. The important thing is everyone knows where everything is, and no one thinks any of it in any of the accounts is theirs even if it’s in their name. It is just where that portion of the family money is at that time because that is where it needs to be.

For example, I have a LISA and the money we put in their is only accessible by me. We are saving for a house and DH is too old to have a LISA. We put money in there for the tax kickback. DH has an ISA where the bulk of our savings for our house deposit are at the moment. It’s in his name but it is the family’s house deposit. We keep a £5K emergency fund in my account. It’s there because if DH gats hit by a bus, I would need money to keep things going while I sorted out the estate and released what was in his account.

We budget and plan and walk through life together. We don’t play this is his and this is mine. We are not children, we have a child so we need to to act like adults. We trust each other. Because why the F would you marry someone you did not trust?

Each month we transfer the household budget from DHs account to my account and I manage the household budget. I don’t have to ask for money for food. I have a house to run, it’s my job, and the resources we need to do that are made available each month without question. If we don’t get paid one month, that’s what the £5K emergency fund is for.

...

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if you or he are thinking of money as yours and his, you need to grow up and have an adult relationship. If you are embarrassed to ask for money, then your relationship is not based on trust, and it is definitely not mature.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say your relationship is based on power, which is not a good place to be, but I would say you are attributing power to money in your relationship which should not be there. It should be the two of you against the world, not the two of you against each other. Life is a lot easier when you learn to stand together and want the same things.

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 19:25

Was the choice for you to work around the children a joint 1?

You need a fairer split.

Any disposable income should be equally shared

His car etc should come out of his share of the disposable income.

Tbh though I'm not sure how you've got kids with this guy without having all this sorted

ElliF · 18/02/2023 19:44

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 19:25

Was the choice for you to work around the children a joint 1?

You need a fairer split.

Any disposable income should be equally shared

His car etc should come out of his share of the disposable income.

Tbh though I'm not sure how you've got kids with this guy without having all this sorted

Why do you need to split the disposable income and decide this is yours and this is mine? I don’t get it. It’s family income wherever it comes from, or by definition there is no functional family.

As far as the car goes, DH has a car. He goes to work. We go places at the weekend. Its not ‘his car’ coming out of ‘his share’ because we’re not kids playing a game in primary school.

ElliF · 18/02/2023 19:46

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 19:25

Was the choice for you to work around the children a joint 1?

You need a fairer split.

Any disposable income should be equally shared

His car etc should come out of his share of the disposable income.

Tbh though I'm not sure how you've got kids with this guy without having all this sorted

.... and if you’re not saving your surplus income you’re in for a horrific future. But then MN will play host to all those stories too. How many people will say they didn’t see it coming?

WatieKatie · 18/02/2023 19:47

I’d be sitting down with him and explaining how short of money you are. Suggest that he helps out with the childcare or at very least splits childcare costs while you work. Could you look for evening or weekend work so he can look after the children without impacting his job?

Tangelablue · 18/02/2023 19:59

Stop doing the food shop, just tell him you don't have enough to buy food and he needs to go shopping or do a online shop. Same for anything for needed for the children.
He sounds selfish, have you explained how much you are struggling financially while he lives the good life?

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 20:14

@ElliF

Because he idea of having to explain to anyone what I spend my money on gives me the shudder

I don't even do what I've advised in the op really but it sounds like the best compromise for the op.

And obviously savings come out of the money before disposable

His car comes out of his share because he choose an expensive one.

Why should the op fund that?

EllieM27 · 18/02/2023 20:21

Just FYI, this post is from December and the OP doesn’t appear to have been back. Not sure there’s any point in resurrecting it.

ElliF · 18/02/2023 20:41

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 20:14

@ElliF

Because he idea of having to explain to anyone what I spend my money on gives me the shudder

I don't even do what I've advised in the op really but it sounds like the best compromise for the op.

And obviously savings come out of the money before disposable

His car comes out of his share because he choose an expensive one.

Why should the op fund that?

The idea of having to explain what I spend money on is a no go with me. Being asked to justify my spending would be a relationship ending thing for me. My husband either trusts me or he does not. If he does not trust me that is a defacto partnership ending thing. We are one or we are not together at all. DH administers all the money in our marriage and he earns all the money in our marriage, but that is not the same as control.

I just could never do the lets spilt what’s left and do whatever we want thing, maybe because I see that as just wasting money and we’re saving up the deposit for a house. I don’t know, but even if we were rich I still think I’d view our money the same way.

With the car, some people need to project an image because their job position requires it. Some people don’t. If he’s got a pimped out Honda Civic and likes to go cruising with the boys burning circles in Sainsbury’s carpark at night, that’s a whole different story from being a junior exec’ in a law form who’s expected to go visit clients and occasionally pick someone up at the airport. To my mind, if it’s a family car that’s what it is, unless it is quite clearly a toy that he happens to go to work in.

ElliF · 18/02/2023 20:43

EllieM27 · 18/02/2023 20:21

Just FYI, this post is from December and the OP doesn’t appear to have been back. Not sure there’s any point in resurrecting it.

Thanks for the heads up. Just that MN active brought it up. Might as well ignore this one now then.

Botw1 · 18/02/2023 20:50

@ElliF

The idea of not earning my own money is a no go for me.

Everyone is different

MaxTalk · 18/02/2023 21:33

Yep everyone needs to pay their own way and don't expect to be carried IMO.

We all know kids are expensive so have a plan how you will sort your own finances beforehand. Go to your partner with a career plan with set timescales and work to achieve them.