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He went to sleep

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SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 13:34

Ive name changed but been here for a good 9 years.

I just want a reality check to see how other people would feel. My husband and I have been struggling for a few years. I feel he puts his needs first, then the kids and then mine. He would dispute this. We nearly split up in March this year but he promised he would help more around the house and with finances. He went self employed. It tanked and we now have no savings and more debt. He’s done this in fits and starts but can’t seem to keep it up I.e the helping.

Ive been really quite unwell with some random virus. Couldn’t stop coughing. Couldn’t breathe well. Not Covid.

I had to go to the out of hours doctors twice but this is what happened the last time.

id been cooking a joint if meat despite being ill in the slow cooker for most of the day whilst I looked after the kids. He came home said I looked awful and told me to go to bed and that he would take over.

He then (he’s actually a very good cook) butchered the joint, served watery tasteless potatoes and it was just all shit. I was quite upset as moneys been tight and it was a treat and because I know he can do better. And because he’s the one who told me to go to bed! He later admitted he hadn’t wanted to cook so hadn’t given it his full attention.

So we argued about his lack of care but managed to resolve it.

Called 111 as I couldn’t breath and if anything the steroids and inhaler wasn’t working. They wanted to send an ambulance. I declined this because I wasn’t at deaths door just needed better medication.

I managed to get an out of hours GP appointment at 1.45am. We have young children so he stayed with them and I drove down to the doctors and managed to get in. It did involve me walking down a quiet street, in the cold and dark and no one except my husband knew I had gone. He said he would stay up and wait but might fall asleep on the sofa.

Doctor wasn’t listening to me. Kept putting me down when I said the nebuliser was making my chest feel tighter not better. He prescribed more steroids and antibiotics and urged me to be checked for asthma.

I got home at 3.30am. My husband had locked up the house. Tuned all the lights off except the patio. Put the dog to bed with the radio and took himself to bed because he was cold. He fell asleep and didn’t know I was home. I’ve been sleeping on the sofa as can’t lay flat.

How would you have felt? I know I wouldn’t have been able to have done that. I’d have been worried and waiting.

He was the only one who knew I was out. I could have had an accident… anything could have happened and no one would have known.

He says he didn’t mean to fall asleep… but I just can’t get over the fact he turned everything off and locked up like he intended to go to bed.

I’ve said our marriage is now over because I feel there is no care. No base line level of care.

im now worried I am making a mountain out of a mole hill And doubting myself. I don’t think this is working for either of us. But the kids :( that’s the only reason I’ve stayed and because I’m scared to be alone but mostly the kids.

sorry it’s so long.

OP posts:
SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 14:40

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:33

@category12
It's different falling asleep while waiting, than turning everything off, locking up the house and going to bed.

Yes it is different. Falling asleep with lights blazing and the house unlocked is wasteful £ wise and the OP said money was tight. It is also risky security wise for you to be asleep and children asleep in a house with unlocked doors.

It’s much better to turn off lights (except a patio light so OP can find the key hole easily), lock up, put the dog to bed and go to bed if you’re falling asleep where you’re sitting or you need to get up in a few hours due to work/children which the DH would have had one or the other or both to contend with.

He didn’t have to work.
He doesn’t care about energy consumption. It’s usually me running around after everyone turning the lights or electronics off.

On the surface I accept that I look unreasonable. I might well be. I’m still several days later not actually better so I accept my brains quite fried.

OP posts:
category12 · 08/12/2022 14:40

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:33

@category12
It's different falling asleep while waiting, than turning everything off, locking up the house and going to bed.

Yes it is different. Falling asleep with lights blazing and the house unlocked is wasteful £ wise and the OP said money was tight. It is also risky security wise for you to be asleep and children asleep in a house with unlocked doors.

It’s much better to turn off lights (except a patio light so OP can find the key hole easily), lock up, put the dog to bed and go to bed if you’re falling asleep where you’re sitting or you need to get up in a few hours due to work/children which the DH would have had one or the other or both to contend with.

Bull. A couple of lights on until she gets home would cost pence.

Personally I'd read coming back to the shut-up house the way OP did, as him not giving a shit. She was out at the doctors, ill. He didn't bother to find out how she was.

MamaFirst · 08/12/2022 14:43

I don't think you're being unreasonable to be upset. The fact you're calling this the last straw just tells us there's a mass of other similar incidents that add weight to this one. I wouldnt start a fight over dinner though. But did he not even phone you to check how you were getting on?

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:45

idonthavethrighttohavefeelings · 08/12/2022 14:39

madam onnabugeisha, it must be wonderful to be a concerned human like yourself , I am hoping that I can be just as caring as you are when I grow up ! Compassion is maybe something you could do an online course about ,think you would be an A++ student .

There’s no need for that. Not everyone has the ability or luxury to stay up past 3am after a long work day followed by watching kids/cooking dinner/ putting kids to bed all by yourself because a partner is out at a doctors appointment.

It also makes no sense if your partner is ill to stay up past 3am and make yourself completely useless the following morning in case you have to call off work and you need to care for them and the “young children” literally four or five hours after you have gone to bed.

Its not lacking in compassion to think ahead a bit and realise hey, I need at least a few hours sleep or I will be useless the next day and unable to care for my sick partner and our young children.

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:46

category12 · 08/12/2022 14:40

Bull. A couple of lights on until she gets home would cost pence.

Personally I'd read coming back to the shut-up house the way OP did, as him not giving a shit. She was out at the doctors, ill. He didn't bother to find out how she was.

He left the patio light on, what more does she need? It’s pointless to leave any other lights on.

idonthavethrighttohavefeelings · 08/12/2022 14:47

DancingBear ,what ? are you telling me she hasn't left you yet ! Come on Mrs Dancingbear wake up woman and smell the coffee !!! Get outta there double quick head for the hills ,let some other poor COW have your PEACH of a husband and thank your lucky stars there's only 1 of him in this world.

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:47

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 14:40

He didn’t have to work.
He doesn’t care about energy consumption. It’s usually me running around after everyone turning the lights or electronics off.

On the surface I accept that I look unreasonable. I might well be. I’m still several days later not actually better so I accept my brains quite fried.

He’d still have to care for your young children. By 2am he’d have known you’d be too sick and tired to get up with the children first thing in the morning.

ChocoFudge · 08/12/2022 14:49

I'd have expected my husband to get some sleep so he could get up with the kids in the morning while I slept. No point both of you being tired.

category12 · 08/12/2022 14:50

Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 14:46

He left the patio light on, what more does she need? It’s pointless to leave any other lights on.

A welcome home, some care, the bed for the night, that's what she needed.

Not him to say he'd stay up for her, then come home to find he's bogged off to bed as if she was out for the night. She's the ill one and she's sleeping on the sofa.

Sure, he's the reasonable one here 🙄

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 14:51

MamaFirst · 08/12/2022 14:43

I don't think you're being unreasonable to be upset. The fact you're calling this the last straw just tells us there's a mass of other similar incidents that add weight to this one. I wouldnt start a fight over dinner though. But did he not even phone you to check how you were getting on?

I text him to let him know I had got there safely. I then text him to let him know the nebuliser had made my chest feel worse but that the doctor just laughed and said that that’s no possible but wouldn’t listen. He said he was sorry the doctor wasn’t listening and then I heard nothing else.

I think I obviously expect too much. This has been going on for several years. The fight over dinner was because the joint was supposed to last us three meals.

OP posts:
gannett · 08/12/2022 14:52

I can't actually think of anything I'd wait up for DP til 3.30am. If it was an emergency health situation that involved the hospital I'd probably be there with him. If he was well enough to drive himself to a doctor, having said that he wasn't at death's door but just needed medication, I wouldn't hesitate to go to bed.

Also of course you turn the lights off and lock the doors? I don't get that at all. The doors are already locked and the lights are off if there's no one in the room. Anyone coming home late is capable of unlocking doors and turning on the lights they need.

I wouldn't ever criticise a meal someone had made for me when I was ill. And luckily, as the worse cook, nor does DP - when he's sick and I present him with dishes way below what he can do, he's just grateful. Do you really think he deliberately made a crap meal?

I imagine there's more going on than these examples but neither of them are examples of someone who doesn't care.

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 14:57

gannett · 08/12/2022 14:52

I can't actually think of anything I'd wait up for DP til 3.30am. If it was an emergency health situation that involved the hospital I'd probably be there with him. If he was well enough to drive himself to a doctor, having said that he wasn't at death's door but just needed medication, I wouldn't hesitate to go to bed.

Also of course you turn the lights off and lock the doors? I don't get that at all. The doors are already locked and the lights are off if there's no one in the room. Anyone coming home late is capable of unlocking doors and turning on the lights they need.

I wouldn't ever criticise a meal someone had made for me when I was ill. And luckily, as the worse cook, nor does DP - when he's sick and I present him with dishes way below what he can do, he's just grateful. Do you really think he deliberately made a crap meal?

I imagine there's more going on than these examples but neither of them are examples of someone who doesn't care.

Yes I do believe he deliberately made a shit meal… because when we talked about it after he told me he didn’t want to do it, so didn’t care about it and didn’t watch it. Those are his words.

I said well why did you tell me to go to bed then? He had no answer.

OP posts:
SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 14:59

And I was at the hospital. At the out of hours doctor service. I had no choice to drive. I didn’t want him hauling the kids (7+10) out of bed in the cold. Couldn’t afford a taxi.

OP posts:
SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 15:07

I think we see obviously making each other unhappy. He deserves better from what you all say. I think I also deserve better.

That’s why I’m calling time on the marriage. I don’t think it’s good for either of us. We have different priorities. We have different views. I’ve tried for a good two years now to make it better. I can’t seem to. Nothing ever consistently changes.

We both deserve to be happy. This isn’t happiness.

This is just the straw that broke the camels back.

He will tell everyone I left him because of the beef. They will think I am mad.

It’s not the beef.

OP posts:
WaddleAway · 08/12/2022 15:11

In that scenario I would have been annoyed if DH had stayed up to wait for me as someone would need to be up to look after the children the next day so I’d want at least one of us to be well rested. It’s awful when both parents are knackered and grumpy!
It sounds like the straw that broke the camel’s back though, so judging on that incident alone isn’t appropriate. Only you know if he gives you the care and affection you need.

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 15:15

WaddleAway · 08/12/2022 15:11

In that scenario I would have been annoyed if DH had stayed up to wait for me as someone would need to be up to look after the children the next day so I’d want at least one of us to be well rested. It’s awful when both parents are knackered and grumpy!
It sounds like the straw that broke the camel’s back though, so judging on that incident alone isn’t appropriate. Only you know if he gives you the care and affection you need.

He was insistent that he would wait up. I didn’t actually ask him to.

He says one thing and does another. I never know where I stand really because what he says and what he does just doesn’t match up. It’s always a contradiction.

OP posts:
Onnabugeisha · 08/12/2022 15:15

because when we talked about it after he told me he didn’t want to do it, so didn’t care about it and didn’t watch it. Those are his words.

His words sound like sarcasm to me. Because you said:
“I was quite upset as moneys been tight and it was a treat and because I know he can do better. And because he’s the one who told me to go to bed! He later admitted he hadn’t wanted to cook so hadn’t given it his full attention. So we argued about his lack of care but managed to resolve it.”

I think the argument would have continued with you getting more and more upset until he had confessed to “lack of care.” So he said what you wanted to hear to end the argument.

Nowthenhere · 08/12/2022 15:18

I wouldn't feel safe or valued. You were extremely vulnerable and he left you to it.
That would make me seek alternative support such as my relatives if I need help again.
I wouldn't trust him to make sure I returned home safely.
Airway issue could have resulted in out of hours advising you need an ambulance and he would have been none the wiser.

MamaFirst · 08/12/2022 15:19

You don't need to justify ending your marriage to us. You sound unhappy, and that is enough. Best of luck, hope you're OK and feeling better soon.

itwasntmetho · 08/12/2022 15:22

Being unhappy is a reason to end it, you tried for a long time.

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 15:26

MamaFirst · 08/12/2022 15:19

You don't need to justify ending your marriage to us. You sound unhappy, and that is enough. Best of luck, hope you're OK and feeling better soon.

I think I’m trying to justify it myself.

I work in mental health. I’ve honestly tried and I don’t know what else to do. I can’t stop crying today.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 08/12/2022 15:30

SeveruslyFrazzled · 08/12/2022 15:07

I think we see obviously making each other unhappy. He deserves better from what you all say. I think I also deserve better.

That’s why I’m calling time on the marriage. I don’t think it’s good for either of us. We have different priorities. We have different views. I’ve tried for a good two years now to make it better. I can’t seem to. Nothing ever consistently changes.

We both deserve to be happy. This isn’t happiness.

This is just the straw that broke the camels back.

He will tell everyone I left him because of the beef. They will think I am mad.

It’s not the beef.

No, people will not think you mad. If someone told me their spouse left because of a badly cooked meal my first thought would be that either there's more to the story than I'm being told or that it was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Your friends and family either already know the true story or they'll believe you when you tell them As for the rest, well, 'them that minds don't matter and them that matters don't mind'. We don't seek happiness to please others, we seek it to please ourselves.

But before you do ANYTHING, first seek legal advice. You want to know where you stand with regards to division of finances, assets, child access, etc. A good solicitor can let you know what is 'usual' in your area. Also investigate childcare available & costs because you don't want to depend on him for it. Once you're armed with that knowledge, make your plan to leave. Until then grit your teeth and carry on. If they will keep your confidence, confide in a family member or close friend, emotional support and a 'sounding board' will be invaluable.

StaunchMomma · 08/12/2022 15:37

These examples are a bit of a case of men & women being different, I think.

Lots of men are more than a bit useless when it comes to the 'care & worrying' stuff. whereas we are mostly made up of those things.

Yes, it's a shame that he messed up a meal, but had he had a shit day at work? Did you ask? You being ill doesn't negate what's going on with him.

And yes, it probably felt shit coming home to everyone sleeping after your ordeal, but, again, did he have to get up for work the next morning? Are you sure he wasn't just being practical, rather than emotional?

If these were stand alone incidents then I'd say let them go but it does sound like it's more of a straw that broke the camel's back situation.

billy1966 · 08/12/2022 15:48

OP, he sounds like a selfish waster.

He ruined a piece of meat deliberately because he didn't want to finish the minding of a meal already made?

A complete waster.

Who does that to their family?

I would think that it is the last straw for a woman whom has had enough.

Remember he spoiled that meal for your children too.

I would be furious at the waste, selfishness and disrespect.

You are ill clearly, and he couldn't even slighly step up.

I am married 30 years and have been very ill a few times.

My husband has never been a particularly wordy romantic man, but the way he has cared for me and 100% taken over, has shown me so many times that actions not words, are what count IMO.

You are done.
You don't need to justify yourself to anyone.

He's a poor husband, father and man.

You deserve better.

I really hope you feel better soon.

Difficulty breathing is truly awful.

Can you reach out to family and friends for support?

Blossomandbee · 08/12/2022 15:49

For me I would rather my DH went to bed so he was fit to look after the kids and let me rest the next day.
But it sounds like this is a final straw for you and there's been lots of things prior that have built up to this. You feel the way you feel and if it's not working for you then you don't need to justify that to anyone else.