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This is bad right?

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Asky · 06/12/2022 00:21

My partner had an affair a few years ago. Very awful experience and although I'm better I wouldn't wish the pain on anyone.

I was fuming for ages after. Chucked him out. Left many times. Said truly horrible things. I was ill from stress, couldn't work, just basically became a shell of myself.

We'd gotten into a better place finally, when I got word via friend of a friend that the woman he had the affair with was in town. I told him this and said I was feeling triggered and he said it was "irrelevant" and changed the subject.

Being brushed off made me feel even more triggered.

The next night he happened to be at work drinks and was uncharacteristically late. He almost never goes out but he said he was going for 1 or 2 and was gone 6 hours.

So he came in and I was crying and wouldn't speak to him. Because I think I thought he'd seen her, but mostly I felt really angry that he'd not reassured me the night before.

I'd gotten into such a state I was throwing up.

It turned out later I was wrong and she wasn't here, but in my panicked mind I'd imagined I was being betrayed again.

Anyway. He comes in from his night out and tried to kiss me, and started to panic when he could see I was crying. I kept walking away saying I didn't want to talk. He started getting angry and insisting I explain. So I explained.

At this point his attitude flipped to self defence. He said he'd done nothing, he went out almost never and how much longer was his punishment going to last.

He started sneering in contempt, asking me to write down a script next time for him so he'd say the right things . I started crying more and ran to the kitchen. He kept trying to talto and to touch me but I kept telling him to get off. Then he told me to stop being such a c**t.

He's never, ever talked to me like this before.

Ever.

Then as I cried more he told me to pack my things and leave.

Which he's also never done.

So when he fell asleep, I did exactly that and by morning all my personal items were packed and I was on a plane out of there.

The way I felt was that after enduring his cheating and the hell of it, no way was I getting verbally abused and told to get out for the crime of being triggered or worried or sad.

He's sent messages since I left begging, apologising, saying he will do anything. He acknowledged his behaviour was unacceptable and apologised a lot. He's acknowledged he should have comforted me and not been defensive. He says he finds it hard to be permanently the bad guy because of mistakes made years ago.

I understand that, but truthfully although I believe he loves me and massively regrets the affair, I think he has not really made amends. Most things I asked in the aftermath, he promised and then let me down. So most of me not "moving on and letting it go" is that I feel he never helped me. I've told him this a lot but he never addressed it.

As an example, There's a number of things in our house that remind me of the affair. I've asked 4 or 5 times, gently, for them to be removed. He agreed and never did it.

He also doesn't really take responsibility. He apologises, but says "yes i swore at you and threw you out, but you've done this 20 times" Which I have, after the cheating.

I'm not sure how he's comparing finding out your partner has had a six month affair with finding me upset at him, but he seems to genuinely think that it's similar. He says my anger and instability after his affair were awful.

I'd never shouted at him or left him I the years before the affair came out. I'd never been unstable. So I feel a bit like it's mental abuse to do that to me and then blame ME for my reaction?

He said I always run. He says we were happy and I created an imaginary argument because I wanted to leave. He says I've thrown away our life for nothing.

Inside, what I feel is that this mam badly hurt me for his selfish reasons, failed to adequately help me get better after promising he would, then blamed me for anger and "over the top" emotions and having no "self control", when his behaviour was provoking this in a previously docile person.

I feel like a man who'd call me names and throw me out isn't one who cherishes me, and that tolerating infidelity was enough.

He's left me second guessing myself here. I have behaved badly and erratically but wouldn't most people?

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Longestnight · 06/12/2022 00:31

I entirely agree with you and I think you did the right thing in leaving straight away. I don’t think you should go back however much he grovels as I don’t think you could trust him any more (his reaction to you more than another affair.)

Asky · 06/12/2022 00:34

I'm glad you get it. He can't understand but it's just that I basically feel I can't trust him emotionally.

There's no room for self defence or tit for tat if you have an affair. It truly was so painful and affected my life so much.

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Fidgety31 · 06/12/2022 00:42

It does sound like you engineered the argument to punish him for going out .
Why would you stand there crying when he gets home - you must know that no sensible discussion can ever be had with a person who’s been drinking .

Cutyourshakehole · 06/12/2022 00:47

I’m sorry.
This is what happens when you stay together after an affair.
It never goes away, and it will never be like it was before. 😔

Asky · 06/12/2022 00:54

Fidgety sounds like him.

But it's hurtful.

I've never cared if he goes out (largely why I haf no idea he was having an affair), but now the combination of unusual behaviour + thinking the person he cheated with was here = blind panic.

I'm sad I think that way. I didn't ask to.

I didn't lie in wait. I pretended to be asleep. He kept trying to kiss me etc. I didn't start an argument. I tried to move into other rooms.

I feel a bit like you're saying what he's trying to say:

The problem isn't that I cheated, handled it craply and then ignored your request for reassurance.

It's your failure to not trust me. Or not cry enough?

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ClaryFairchild · 06/12/2022 00:58

Why should you trust him? He's destroyed your trust and not done enough to rebuild it up again. He's totally to blame here. It takes a LONG time (if ever) to recover from the wounds inflicted by an affair.

TedMullins · 06/12/2022 01:01

Yeah I’d just cut your losses and leave him for good. He sounds frankly sociopathic expecting you to be unaffected and not show any emotion. Fully on your side here. If he can’t do the work to rebuild trust and prove he’s serious about it, why stay in what sounds like an unhappy relationship?

picklespark · 06/12/2022 01:01

I know it must be so painful right now, but you did absolutely the right thing. Good for you. You will pick yourself and rebuild your life in time. This man is not worth it and he's taken enough from you. Stay strong, block his number if you need to.

As other posters have said, it's not just the affair that's ringing alarm bells - it's the way be behaved afterwards, from not removing those things in the house that reminded you, from the way he spoke to you that night.

Respect is fundamental in relationships and under no circumstances should you call the person you love a c**nt, no matter how angry you are.

Asky · 06/12/2022 01:17

I think maybe I taught him that he could behave as badly as he liked.

I'm not saying he was mean or a monster.

But the cheating + genuinely not doing the things I'd asked.

It was like he decided the best way to get over it was his way. Shower me in love, be super nice, supportive, loving, nurturing

And he was all those things

What he couldn't do was handle feeling criticised, or taking actions I felt I wanted from him.

He'd promised; then not do it.

He always felt I was making demands/ punishing him.

But I really wasn't. I was calmly communicating the needs I had to heal and to feel safe.

Its so hard getting over an affair. I feel like he didn't put the work in. And now he says I deserved so much better (I did).

I'm really not a bellbreaker or anything. I was actually compassionate to him throughout. It was hard to stay. I've hated what this has done to me.

He says now he realises he's let me down, not least last week, and he needs me to know it's his own failing and that I was more than worthy of everything I asked.

I am just tired of him being sorry when it's already done :(

Thanks for listening.

X

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VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:20

This is why I never ever advise people to stay after affairs.

I would add that he doesn't even seen really remorseful, he doesn't seem like a good person, and I wouldn't be surprised if (like many posters on here) you find he had another one at some point.

Did you stay because of kids?

Oh and, bottom line, I'd like to see his reactions and behaviour if it was him who was cheated on for 6 months. Do you think he'd still be with you? I think not.

Most men don't do this to themselves.

anyonenowheremypenis · 06/12/2022 01:22

I mean this kindly, you have never forgiven him for the affair. That’s when you should have left.all the crying, arguing, name calling was just drama. Stay away unless you can truly forgive him.

ClaryFairchild · 06/12/2022 01:22

For the relationship to work he has to accept the fact that he does NOT get to decide when you are ok. Just because he wants to put it all behind him doesn't mean you can.

Are you strong enough to try again? Do you even want to? If you do I'd say he has a fair few hoops he has to jump through just to get you in the same room, let alone to move back in.

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Asky · 06/12/2022 01:23

Respect is fundamental in relationships and under no circumstances should you call the person you love a cnt, no matter how angry you are

Honestly, I feel like I'd leave ANY man for this. But the context here made it even worse.

I can't even look at him. He's tried to video call and all I see is him saying it and I want to get away.

It's funny how I stayed after the affair and his shambolic response, but this is the dealbreaker.

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VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:23

it's not just the affair that's ringing alarm bells - it's the way be behaved afterwards, from not removing those things in the house that reminded you, from the way he spoke to you that night.

I agree.

He's not truly remorseful.

He lacks empathy.

He lacks true integrity.

You don't sounds like you have an equal relationship.

He's not great partner material.

I wouldn't trust someone like that not to fuck you over again at some point.
So many posters on here say they forgave an affair oh for it to happen again in time, even if it was a decade down the line.

VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:25

Asky · 06/12/2022 01:23

Respect is fundamental in relationships and under no circumstances should you call the person you love a cnt, no matter how angry you are

Honestly, I feel like I'd leave ANY man for this. But the context here made it even worse.

I can't even look at him. He's tried to video call and all I see is him saying it and I want to get away.

It's funny how I stayed after the affair and his shambolic response, but this is the dealbreaker.

People who, in shock, horror, trauma, "survival" stay with cheaters .... Often find that down the line, they don't want to stay. It takes a lot of time to process.

If someone decided to ebd a relationship over an affair after 5 or 10 years, I wouldn't be surprised or have the slightest criticism of them. It takes what time it takes.

VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:30

*He'd promised; then not do it......

He always felt I was making demands*

Someone who's getting a chance to be forgiven for a 6 month affair should be on their fucking knees, and jumping at the chance to do things that help their partner.

The removal of things that triggered you and caused you stress and upset a out his affair is perfectly reasonable, minimal.

Yet he was framing it as a demand on him.

He's very very arrogant, he lacks empathy, and I get the string impression your relationship has never been an equal one.

Asky · 06/12/2022 01:31

If I'd have done the same to him I honestly think he'd have had a full blown breakdown. He can't comprehend it.

Last time I almost left, he offered me a revenge affair. He said he'd rather that than live without me.

But it's not about revenue or anger or forgiveness. 99% of my anger isn't the affair - its asking him to get rid of a god damned mug 4 times and finding it still there.

It's being told I should be over it, when he's not helped me. I feel more let down by that than the actual affair.

At the moment, no I don’t want to try again or even talk to him. I'm not sure why because he's obviously disrespected me with his actions, but him being venomous and snide and swearing at me is honestly something I thought he'd never do.

Whsts next if I went back?

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VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:32

Are there any kids involved here?

Even if there were, I'd advise you to get rid... But if there aren't; a thousand times more.

Not a man to have a family with.

VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:35

he offered me a revenge affair.

I took this beautiful crystal vase that you loved and smashed it on the floor.

But here, if I give you a crystal vase and tell you to smash it, even though you never would have done that, and don't want to do it ... Well somehow be equal.

A reactionary affair is never Even Stevens - from someone who'd never have cheated off their own back. The other person had broken all the trust, exclusivity, intimacy etc. and nothing changed that. Pathetic suggestion.

Oh and I bet he'd not have stated with you if you'd actually shagged someone else anyway. He offered out of desperation but if you'd actually done it, I bet your relationship wouldn't have lasted 6 months after.

VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:36

*stayed with you

AcrossthePond55 · 06/12/2022 01:36

Sometimes our subconscious makes us act in ways that don't seem reasonable or may seem out of character. So perhaps your reaction, your tears, etc and then hopping that plane were really your 'self' telling you that you needed to leave, for yourself. Personally, cheating is a dealbreaker for me so I would have left when he had the affair. But that decision is yours to make, and to live with. I think what you need now is space and time to regroup your 'head' and decide what YOU want for your life.

If I were you I'd tell him that you have decisions to make and need peace to make them in. I'd ask him not to contact me for whatever time period you feel is reasonable. Two weeks? A month?

A relationship where the trust is gone is pretty much dead. Love can't thrive where there is no trust. If you no longer trust him now, if you feel that you can never get that trust back, either through his inactions or attitudes or because it is just not within you to do trust him again (it's not within me so that's not a criticism), then you need to call 'time' and find your happiness elsewhere.

Asky · 06/12/2022 01:37

Someone who's getting a chance to be forgiven for a 6 month affair should be on their fucking knees, and jumping at the chance to do things that help their partner

Exactly. Thank you.

And had he not sworn blind he agreed, I'd have left.

It was just a cycle of promises that didn't come. I feel like he resents having to of any of it

Which has seriously affected my self worth.

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VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:40

but him being venomous and snide and swearing at me is honestly something I thought he'd never do

The way I see it; having an affair, let alone a 6 month one, is disrespect for someone (and your relationship with someone) at a very high level. You make the decision over and over and over which in your head (no matter how you want to phrase it) is ultimately saying "ah, fuck them"...... So disrespect in any other area does not surprise me one iota.

VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:43

I feel like he resents having to of any of it

I betrayed you for 6 months and adversely affected your physical and mental health; but doing anything to remove triggers about it is me bowing the head/being hen pecked/a pain in the arse.

I think that says everything you need to know about his attitude to women and relationships.

He's not good relationship material.

Asky · 06/12/2022 01:46

@VisaGeezer were older, both have grown kids from previous amd definitely no more.

The revenge affair thing was odd. He was crying and saying to please do it if it would end the fighting and make me stay.

The sad bit is, I think he is really remorseful and I think he's self defensive because of shame, not arrogance.

But that doesn't mean I can magically fix it.

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