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This is bad right?

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Asky · 06/12/2022 00:21

My partner had an affair a few years ago. Very awful experience and although I'm better I wouldn't wish the pain on anyone.

I was fuming for ages after. Chucked him out. Left many times. Said truly horrible things. I was ill from stress, couldn't work, just basically became a shell of myself.

We'd gotten into a better place finally, when I got word via friend of a friend that the woman he had the affair with was in town. I told him this and said I was feeling triggered and he said it was "irrelevant" and changed the subject.

Being brushed off made me feel even more triggered.

The next night he happened to be at work drinks and was uncharacteristically late. He almost never goes out but he said he was going for 1 or 2 and was gone 6 hours.

So he came in and I was crying and wouldn't speak to him. Because I think I thought he'd seen her, but mostly I felt really angry that he'd not reassured me the night before.

I'd gotten into such a state I was throwing up.

It turned out later I was wrong and she wasn't here, but in my panicked mind I'd imagined I was being betrayed again.

Anyway. He comes in from his night out and tried to kiss me, and started to panic when he could see I was crying. I kept walking away saying I didn't want to talk. He started getting angry and insisting I explain. So I explained.

At this point his attitude flipped to self defence. He said he'd done nothing, he went out almost never and how much longer was his punishment going to last.

He started sneering in contempt, asking me to write down a script next time for him so he'd say the right things . I started crying more and ran to the kitchen. He kept trying to talto and to touch me but I kept telling him to get off. Then he told me to stop being such a c**t.

He's never, ever talked to me like this before.

Ever.

Then as I cried more he told me to pack my things and leave.

Which he's also never done.

So when he fell asleep, I did exactly that and by morning all my personal items were packed and I was on a plane out of there.

The way I felt was that after enduring his cheating and the hell of it, no way was I getting verbally abused and told to get out for the crime of being triggered or worried or sad.

He's sent messages since I left begging, apologising, saying he will do anything. He acknowledged his behaviour was unacceptable and apologised a lot. He's acknowledged he should have comforted me and not been defensive. He says he finds it hard to be permanently the bad guy because of mistakes made years ago.

I understand that, but truthfully although I believe he loves me and massively regrets the affair, I think he has not really made amends. Most things I asked in the aftermath, he promised and then let me down. So most of me not "moving on and letting it go" is that I feel he never helped me. I've told him this a lot but he never addressed it.

As an example, There's a number of things in our house that remind me of the affair. I've asked 4 or 5 times, gently, for them to be removed. He agreed and never did it.

He also doesn't really take responsibility. He apologises, but says "yes i swore at you and threw you out, but you've done this 20 times" Which I have, after the cheating.

I'm not sure how he's comparing finding out your partner has had a six month affair with finding me upset at him, but he seems to genuinely think that it's similar. He says my anger and instability after his affair were awful.

I'd never shouted at him or left him I the years before the affair came out. I'd never been unstable. So I feel a bit like it's mental abuse to do that to me and then blame ME for my reaction?

He said I always run. He says we were happy and I created an imaginary argument because I wanted to leave. He says I've thrown away our life for nothing.

Inside, what I feel is that this mam badly hurt me for his selfish reasons, failed to adequately help me get better after promising he would, then blamed me for anger and "over the top" emotions and having no "self control", when his behaviour was provoking this in a previously docile person.

I feel like a man who'd call me names and throw me out isn't one who cherishes me, and that tolerating infidelity was enough.

He's left me second guessing myself here. I have behaved badly and erratically but wouldn't most people?

OP posts:
Asky · 06/12/2022 01:57

Ach, honestly all, cheating was a complete dealbreaker for me too. Just when it happens to you, the trauma is hard to articulate

In the aftermath I somehow felt sorry for him. It was just such a mess. I've found it hard to accept I stayed. I think unless he was willing to do all I asked we were doomed to fail.

OP posts:
VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 01:58

were older, both have grown kids from previous amd definitely no more.

Ah, op, not worth the pain and aggro.

I have even less tolerance for mature people cheating than young ones - at least they have the half excuse if being young and stupid.

Bet his relationship with his children's mother ended because of shit like this.

Relationships as divorcees etc with no shared kids are supposed to be supportive, companiable, comfortable, easy, adding to your life etc. Not dealing with long term cheating worsened by disrespect and lack of consideration.

What do you need him.for; hopefully nothing. You'd probably be happier alone or with a new partner down the line.

Asky · 06/12/2022 02:02

Thanks lovely. I won't bore you with the details but he's no Tom Jones. The circumstances it happened were very unusual and I don't he'd do it again to me or anyone else. Aside from anything else the stress has hit him harder than me. He's not coping. Part of me staying was worrying about that.

Anyway, bedtime. You've all helped so much. Ty

OP posts:
VisaGeezer · 06/12/2022 02:03

He's called you a cunt too - significant verbal abuse because you were having trouble dealing with your feelings about his affair, which he hadn't even done basic small things you asked him to to help you with your triggers about.

Tbh he sounds like when it suits him he doesn't give a fuck. He must have known there was a very real possibility he's lose the relationship with you if/when you found out about his affair...the didn't give enough of a fuck not to start it or continue it for 6 months. You asked him to do remove small things that triggered you about his affair;he didn't give enough of a fuck to do that.

If you were my Mum, for example, I'd think he was mistreating you, an asshole and I couldn't see him far enough.

Crazypaving22 · 06/12/2022 07:03

He's entirely unremorseful. Regretful yes and I'm sure he wants to keep hold of your relationship but not enough to actually really put in the work.

I completely believe reconciliation is possible. I've known really successfully happily reconciled couples but the cheat has always been prepared to put their absolute all into repairing the broken trust.

Your partner has shown you repeatedly that he is not. He's shown zero empathy for you and the trauma you've experienced. Zero understanding of the risk he put you in. Healing is 2-5 years so it's not just a case of forgive and move on.

Your reaction to him being out that night was not you 'orchestrating a fight', as I read one poster write, but actually a very natural reaction to feeling unsafe, you went into flight or fight mode, it's a natural reaction to your trauma and if he had understood that you'd not be where you are now.

Please kick this empathy lacking, entitled, selfish idiot to the kerb, you deserve better, when you've tried so hard.

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layladomino · 06/12/2022 07:43

Sorry haven't yet read all your posts, but the thing that stands out to me is that this man, who doesn't often go out, goes out the day after you learn the OW is in town, and stays out for 6 hours after saying he'll be out for 1 or 2 drinks.

He may well not have been seeing her. But it's like he went out of his way to upset and worry you.

Why not reassure you when you mentioned she was in town?
Why go out the next day and stay out hours later than planned? He knew how that would look.

You've done the right thing. He hasn't accepted he did wrong, or taken responsibility, or any steps to reassure you and mend things.

OldFan · 06/12/2022 13:39

A lot of people have PTSD after discovering an affair. They would then react exactly as you do @Asky . You also don't even need PTSD to be like this when he acts as he does, when he did what he did.

I think you should separate from him- verbal abuse and dismissing how you understandably feel is not ok.

OldFan · 06/12/2022 13:41

Why not reassure you when you mentioned she was in town? Why go out the next day and stay out hours later than planned? He knew how that would look.

True, it's kind of manipulative, deliberately prompting OP's distress, maybe because he doesn't like OP having emotional needs, or wants to make her look bad or doubt/blame herself.

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