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How would you contact this friend? Or would you not?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/11/2022 23:40

I've been friends with these two women since we were all 19, they have been friends with each other for much longer as they met in primary school. Two of us still live locally, the other in Essex as she works in London, but visits 'oop North' every three/four weeks, and meets us for drinks. Because of their shared history before we met I've always felt on the periphery a little, though one of them has reassured me there's nothing wrong.

One of these two, Yorkshire Lass, has been married, now divorced with two old enough to be independent kids, the other, Essex Girl, never married no children, and this one I've been on holiday with several times over the years - mini breaks and so on every year though not for a very long time now for a variety of reasons, but that isn't a problem, just illustrative.

Essex Girl has always been a bit moody as long as I've known her. She's very reserved, and quite insular, works in London but commutes two hours each way (maybe longer) and as a result her work is her life and her colleagues her social life - though they are all lunches and work events, possibly because of where everyone lives. Whereas the other two of us will talk about our lives and friends, she talks about work and her work colleagues, who we don't know, but that's her life and we listen.

Essex Girl and I have (she does it with Yorkshire Lass too) always had sort of regular WhatsApp and chat, always on Saturdays about Strictly (sort of back and forth about the dances) and usually a Saturday morning one, instigated by her, about the morning and what she's planned, and I will reply. This went on until two weekends ago. She was last here the weekend before Halloween and we went out for supper and a chat. Yorkshire Lass didn't come as she was away herself but Essex Girl and I chatted. She brought up, for some reason, my ex and asked why I bothered starting a relationship with him, and I said I didn't know, I was very young, and I wouldn't bother if I had my time again. It came out of the blue. She'd brought me up a 'token' Christmas present too, as she wouldn't be here again before Christmas.

As I said last text convo was two weeks ago, about Tony Adams leaving Strictly. I messaged her midweek to tell her something, and she didn't reply. I left it again until last Saturday, telling her I was in London and no answer. Messaged her Sunday last week again no answer. Blue ticks, so read. I haven't messaged her since, because it seems she doesn't want to talk to me, but I have no idea why.

I messaged Yorkshire Lass on Sunday last week to ask if she had heard from her as she wasn't answering me, said she'd spoken to her Saturday and she seemed fine. She also knows that this has happened before. I don't want to bombard someone who doesn't want to talk to me, but if she doesn't want to be friends with me, I have upset her inadvertently or she is annoyed by anything I've sent her (which I can't see she can be) I'd like to know.

She has done this before - a few years ago and I sent her a jokey message calling her out. She said she had done this because she had 'supported me through my problems' - my post at that time was dependent on funding and it was the 11th hour that funding was agreed. I was terrified of losing my house with no income, and was in a very bad place. She did 'support' in the sense of messages 'something will come up/don't worry/it'll be ok' but nothing practical. But apparently I hadn't bothered asking about her gran who had Alzheimer's and she took offence. I'm sorry but I had other priorities and it didn't cross my mind. She had been in a home for years then and nothing had changed for years.

We are very, very different people, and she doesn't like cats. I have six, and I'm 'not allowed' to mention them in front of her as she doesn't like them, to the extent of when one of them in the past has died, I've not been able to gain any support from her as a friend which I think I'd do, on the basis of friendship rather than liking cats! Again, this is just illustrative, not an issue to be resolved.

Sorry that's a bit long. I feel very stupid here and I don't know what to do without making things worse, and then Yorkshire Lass is in the middle, and if I decided sod it, it would be difficult as they've been friends for 37 years whereas I've been mates with them both a mere 23 years.

I'm really at a loss as to what to say. The usual Strictly messages haven't been forthcoming today so there is summat up, as we say in Yorkshire.

I need help constructing a message to her, and whether I copy Yorkshire Lass into anything.

Thanks for patience reading this far Flowers

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category12 · 27/11/2022 09:46

Maybe just give her a ring?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:47

SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 09:43

Why do you assume it's about anything. Maybe she is just you know busy

Because it's out of character and she's chatting with the other woman who said she seemed ok, and she's got form for this and also making jokes about me.

The other friend has been in touch this morning saying she's concerned now but is sure it's nothing I've done wrong.

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SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 09:54

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron you're now going to the other friend discussing her?! This won't end well sorry. Never get other friends involved in your problems with a friend it isn't fair and puts a strain on their friendship or is that what you want deep down?It sounds like playground antics now. No wonder the friend has gone silent if you're discussing her with the other friend.

Fizzywaterbubbles · 27/11/2022 09:55

Oh FFS. Instead of gossiping about this behind her back with another friend, why dont you just ask her? I agree with PP, this is all sounding really childish and playground now.

RhondaD · 27/11/2022 10:04

Talk to her in person and ask what the problem is. If she says nothing and plays it down then the fact you already know she's got form for this and making jokes about you should tell you something about where you stand with her anyway. She doesn't seem to see you as much as a friend as you see her and you might never find out why. Maybe the friendship with her was never quite as close as your own perception.

Scarfymcscarface · 27/11/2022 10:04

Friendships of 3 people inevitably end in disaster I find, no matter how old you are.

I wouldn’t involve the other friend in this. If you are worried you’ve upset her just give her a call directly.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:05

SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 09:54

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron you're now going to the other friend discussing her?! This won't end well sorry. Never get other friends involved in your problems with a friend it isn't fair and puts a strain on their friendship or is that what you want deep down?It sounds like playground antics now. No wonder the friend has gone silent if you're discussing her with the other friend.

I asked her if she'd heard from her. That's all. She said she had and she seemed fine. No in depth discussion or ripping to pieces.

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RhondaD · 27/11/2022 10:08

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:05

I asked her if she'd heard from her. That's all. She said she had and she seemed fine. No in depth discussion or ripping to pieces.

You asked if she had heard from her and her reply was she's concerned too but doesn't think it's anything you've done? Clearly you did more than just ask if she'd heard from her, otherwise that doesn't make sense?

oviraptor21 · 27/11/2022 10:11

Not sure why you're getting such a hard time on here OP. It would stand to reason that you'd ask the other friend in a group of three if you didn't hear from the first friend unexpectedly - that's kind of what friends are for - to make sure each other are OK.
Did you send the message from earlier in the thread?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:14

RhondaD · 27/11/2022 10:08

You asked if she had heard from her and her reply was she's concerned too but doesn't think it's anything you've done? Clearly you did more than just ask if she'd heard from her, otherwise that doesn't make sense?

Hi Jane, hope you're ok. Have you heard from Claire as I haven't for a couple of weeks, which is unusual.

Yes we chatted on Saturday she seemed fine.

Thanks, Don't know why she's not replied to me then.

Don't worry I'm sure it's nothing you've said or done.

Then this morning she said she was concerned because it's still going on (the radio silence)

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:14

oviraptor21 · 27/11/2022 10:11

Not sure why you're getting such a hard time on here OP. It would stand to reason that you'd ask the other friend in a group of three if you didn't hear from the first friend unexpectedly - that's kind of what friends are for - to make sure each other are OK.
Did you send the message from earlier in the thread?

I did thanks she's not read it.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:35

Well I got this back:

Yes am OK. Been busy at work as 2nd party was Thursday which was for dignitaries. We were allowed to go in and see inside the hall itself where party was which was amazing.
Had Friday off and went to Westfield with Janette.

Train strike this weekend and the strikes in Dec and Jan are depressing. I can't see an end to it. Just too much crap news x.

She does allow current affairs to really get her down.

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Fizzywaterbubbles · 27/11/2022 10:40

she does allow current affairs to really get her down

She has a two hour commute to work each way, every single day. Can you really not see how train strikes are probably making her daily life an utter nightmare? Having to travel potentially more than 4-5 hours every day would make me horrifically stressed out, its not about current affairs at all.

Alcemeg · 27/11/2022 10:40

Gosh OP you've had some scalding remarks on here! I guess everyone reads into it their own "bad/odd friend" experiences.

What I got from your posts is more that this isn't what I'd call a close friendship. You've just known each other for years, live miles apart, and don't have much in common. Even after all this time, you don't seem to know her well enough to pick up the phone and ask what's going on.

There is also this:
she's got form for this and also making jokes about me
This doesn't really sound like a friendship, more just a regular habit you've all sustained without really examining why.

Your use of "token" when referring to the Xmas gift suggests that you don't feel it comes with much thought or sincerity attached to it. Repeated meaningless gestures do not make a friendship, but over time we can mistake them for one. Do you actually look forward to seeing her? Do you miss her company?

Maybe she just has more in common with your other friend, and their personalities are better matched, and you're only included because of your location and because old habits die hard? That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you! You could just gently let it slide, as she may be doing. Flowers

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:46

@Alcemeg She was the one who used the word token about the Christmas present, not me. I just repeated it.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:49

@Fizzywaterbubbles She's travelled two and a half hours for many years. She'd work at home when strikes are on.

The last time we all met she did grumble at length about the state of the country, wokeness, Andrew, energy prices, strikes and politics.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:49

Two and a half hours each way that should read.

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oviraptor21 · 27/11/2022 10:54

2½ hours each way is lunacy. I'm surprised she has any time to do anything except sleep after that. She's mad!

Moonlitwalk · 27/11/2022 11:11

The last time we all met she did grumble at length about the state of the country, wokeness, Andrew, energy prices, strikes and politics

not really sure why you’re even friends with this person- you don’t even seem to like her very much, you don’t want to ask her direct why she’s upset and now she’s always grumbling.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 11:23

Moonlitwalk · 27/11/2022 11:11

The last time we all met she did grumble at length about the state of the country, wokeness, Andrew, energy prices, strikes and politics

not really sure why you’re even friends with this person- you don’t even seem to like her very much, you don’t want to ask her direct why she’s upset and now she’s always grumbling.

I didn't want to ask her directly why she's upset as I didn't know if she actually was. As she's got a bit of form for this and she gets overemotional it was difficult for me to do that.

As it happens she's told me she's been busy as I've posted up the thread.

She's always been a bit of a grumbler but it's more noticeable now. She's got something of a fatalistic attitude.

Sometimes though she doesn't moan, nobody's that extreme.

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Alcemeg · 27/11/2022 11:24

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 10:46

@Alcemeg She was the one who used the word token about the Christmas present, not me. I just repeated it.

I didn't mean to suggest you're ungrateful! I just think it's an interesting choice of word, and possibly sincere -- as in no hard feelings, but no particular feelings at all. Do you enjoy her company? I think social habits, especially in the long term, can trick us into thinking that things are friendships when they're not really. Friendship = mutual understanding and respect, enjoying each other's company, easy communication. Is that how you feel with her?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 11:33

@Alcemeg Sometimes, but at times I feel like I'm pussyfooting around her not to upset her. Once we were out with another mutual friend for a Christmas night out and the other friend was having a moan about her gran. This friend screamed at her and burst into tears because she thought she was insensitive as her own gran was more or less lost to her because of Alzheimer's.

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Alcemeg · 27/11/2022 11:37

Oh Lordy, she sounds like hard work!

Would it be a relief not to have to "pussyfoot around" this drama queen any longer?

If you started this thread seeking permission from strangers to close the books on a relationship you no longer feel comfortable in, here, have mine. Go right ahead! Life is too short to waste on friendships that aren't actually friendships!

Quiegal · 27/11/2022 19:37

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

If she annoyed you that much don't speak to her or find out what her issue is.

3 a grown two company. Her close friend isn't you.

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