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How would you contact this friend? Or would you not?

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/11/2022 23:40

I've been friends with these two women since we were all 19, they have been friends with each other for much longer as they met in primary school. Two of us still live locally, the other in Essex as she works in London, but visits 'oop North' every three/four weeks, and meets us for drinks. Because of their shared history before we met I've always felt on the periphery a little, though one of them has reassured me there's nothing wrong.

One of these two, Yorkshire Lass, has been married, now divorced with two old enough to be independent kids, the other, Essex Girl, never married no children, and this one I've been on holiday with several times over the years - mini breaks and so on every year though not for a very long time now for a variety of reasons, but that isn't a problem, just illustrative.

Essex Girl has always been a bit moody as long as I've known her. She's very reserved, and quite insular, works in London but commutes two hours each way (maybe longer) and as a result her work is her life and her colleagues her social life - though they are all lunches and work events, possibly because of where everyone lives. Whereas the other two of us will talk about our lives and friends, she talks about work and her work colleagues, who we don't know, but that's her life and we listen.

Essex Girl and I have (she does it with Yorkshire Lass too) always had sort of regular WhatsApp and chat, always on Saturdays about Strictly (sort of back and forth about the dances) and usually a Saturday morning one, instigated by her, about the morning and what she's planned, and I will reply. This went on until two weekends ago. She was last here the weekend before Halloween and we went out for supper and a chat. Yorkshire Lass didn't come as she was away herself but Essex Girl and I chatted. She brought up, for some reason, my ex and asked why I bothered starting a relationship with him, and I said I didn't know, I was very young, and I wouldn't bother if I had my time again. It came out of the blue. She'd brought me up a 'token' Christmas present too, as she wouldn't be here again before Christmas.

As I said last text convo was two weeks ago, about Tony Adams leaving Strictly. I messaged her midweek to tell her something, and she didn't reply. I left it again until last Saturday, telling her I was in London and no answer. Messaged her Sunday last week again no answer. Blue ticks, so read. I haven't messaged her since, because it seems she doesn't want to talk to me, but I have no idea why.

I messaged Yorkshire Lass on Sunday last week to ask if she had heard from her as she wasn't answering me, said she'd spoken to her Saturday and she seemed fine. She also knows that this has happened before. I don't want to bombard someone who doesn't want to talk to me, but if she doesn't want to be friends with me, I have upset her inadvertently or she is annoyed by anything I've sent her (which I can't see she can be) I'd like to know.

She has done this before - a few years ago and I sent her a jokey message calling her out. She said she had done this because she had 'supported me through my problems' - my post at that time was dependent on funding and it was the 11th hour that funding was agreed. I was terrified of losing my house with no income, and was in a very bad place. She did 'support' in the sense of messages 'something will come up/don't worry/it'll be ok' but nothing practical. But apparently I hadn't bothered asking about her gran who had Alzheimer's and she took offence. I'm sorry but I had other priorities and it didn't cross my mind. She had been in a home for years then and nothing had changed for years.

We are very, very different people, and she doesn't like cats. I have six, and I'm 'not allowed' to mention them in front of her as she doesn't like them, to the extent of when one of them in the past has died, I've not been able to gain any support from her as a friend which I think I'd do, on the basis of friendship rather than liking cats! Again, this is just illustrative, not an issue to be resolved.

Sorry that's a bit long. I feel very stupid here and I don't know what to do without making things worse, and then Yorkshire Lass is in the middle, and if I decided sod it, it would be difficult as they've been friends for 37 years whereas I've been mates with them both a mere 23 years.

I'm really at a loss as to what to say. The usual Strictly messages haven't been forthcoming today so there is summat up, as we say in Yorkshire.

I need help constructing a message to her, and whether I copy Yorkshire Lass into anything.

Thanks for patience reading this far Flowers

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 08:29

LaraCroftbody · 27/11/2022 08:20

I don't go on and on relentlessly about cats. It was illustrative. I'm talking about being unable to gain support in a situation where I suffered loss

Do you not understand what a huge loss it is when a relative gets alzheimers?- you lose the person before they die, its horribly cruel and its like a living death. The person's body is there but their mind is not. You grieve their loss before they have actually gone. But thats not a priority for you is it? as you said.

This was six years ago. Grandma was asked about every single time we conversed. Except one occasion when I was worried sick about my job. Or potential lack of. How incredibly selfish I was I didn't realise.

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category12 · 27/11/2022 08:30

I wouldn't involve your other friend in anything. Just keep up your side of that friendship as normal.

I'm not sure about sending Essex girl a call out message. Maybe "bit worried I've upset you, I'd love to sort it out if so" and then leave it. Send her a Christmas present or card if you don't hear back, and if you haven't heard back in the New Year, I guess let the friendship go.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 08:31

SunflowerTed · 27/11/2022 07:08

I would send her some flowers and apologise for being such poor support when her gran had Alzheimer’s. An extremely cruel disease.

IT WAS SEVEN YEARS AGO!

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SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 08:34

Yet again it's all about you and your issues.

Just because the gran had dementia for a while doesn't make it less painful to watch. I have a friend like you. They ask because they feel they have to not because they actually care.

It doesn't matter what shit is going on in my life and getting divorced and selling the marital home is pretty major shit I never dismissed my friends issues or their life.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 08:36

DosCervezas · 27/11/2022 07:45

Secure friends don't worry about unreturned phone calls and texts. They understand that people are busy and are living their own life and don't take offence or sulk when this happens. Text her this week as if nothing has happened and like everything is all fine, there's probably no need for the drama here.

I've been texting as if nothing happened but got no response.

I'm not taking offence nor sulking. I'm trying to understand.

The "drama" I've written is background information.

If I've inadvertently upset her I'd like to know why. It's completely out of character, except for the occasion I mentioned and have been ripped to pieces about, for her to be like this.

There's a reason but I don't know what it is. I've been trying to get support composing the right message.

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DelphiniumBlue · 27/11/2022 08:41

I think some of the posters on here have been harsh, fixating on one occasion 7 years ago when you didn't enquire after her granny.
I think the problem must have been something that came up during your recent meeting. My money is on her seeing your ex boyfriend.
However, if that is not an issue for you, then I think the only thing you can do is text her and ask outright what is wrong. If she doesn't reply, you could send the usual xmas card/present and leave it at that. I'm sure you'll find out in the long run.

AlwaysGinPlease · 27/11/2022 08:44

After reading your self obsessed responses here I'm even less surprised she wouldn't want you as a friend. Bizarre.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 08:45

DelphiniumBlue · 27/11/2022 08:41

I think some of the posters on here have been harsh, fixating on one occasion 7 years ago when you didn't enquire after her granny.
I think the problem must have been something that came up during your recent meeting. My money is on her seeing your ex boyfriend.
However, if that is not an issue for you, then I think the only thing you can do is text her and ask outright what is wrong. If she doesn't reply, you could send the usual xmas card/present and leave it at that. I'm sure you'll find out in the long run.

Frankly they're weird responses.

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Noelfieldingsjumpers · 27/11/2022 08:45

Just a normal friendly text then along the lines of "are you ok? Haven't heard from you for a while. Just to let you know I've been thinking of you and miss our chats. " Or end with a question maybe?

daisychain01 · 27/11/2022 08:47

Her grandma was not ill. She'd been in a home with dementia for years at that stage and lived for another three years.

not ill?

you are out of touch with reality.

SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 08:50

Okay putting aside Grandma.
Maybe she's having a tough time, maybe it's the anniversary of something. Maybe she has a new man, maybe she's busy having a social life or with work. There are any number of reasons why she hasn't messaged and most aren't to do with you. As I say I have a friend like you, she also constantly asks if she's done something if I don't reply. It gets tedious especially when I'm busy.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 08:51

daisychain01 · 27/11/2022 08:47

Her grandma was not ill. She'd been in a home with dementia for years at that stage and lived for another three years.

not ill?

you are out of touch with reality.

Please get it in perspective. I asked about granny every single time but that one. I had severe problems of my own.

When I said "not ill" I meant not anything acute. Of course I understand dementia.

@Noelfieldingsjumpers thanks I've sent a quick message on the lines you suggest 🙂

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QuillBill · 27/11/2022 08:52

Frankly they're weird responses.
Excellent.

Anyway, I can't think of any reason why your friend isn't responding to you.

CurlsandSwirls · 27/11/2022 08:54

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Hillrunning · 27/11/2022 08:57

Think through all your last intentions and see if anything stands put as possibly upsetting or annoying too her. Did you make a joke that didn't land well? Say something judgemental? Did you call her gift token? I bet if you think long enough you will work it out.

I also assumed she was interested or dating your ex.

Hillrunning · 27/11/2022 08:57

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:00

LaraCroftbody · 27/11/2022 07:59

I agree. You say she didnt comfort you about the loss of your cat but when she mentioned being upset about her gran having alzheimers you basically ignored it. Thats incredibly callous and bloody cheeky to then expect her to be comforting you about your cat. Do you not see how poorly this comes across?

You have this completely wrong. She didn't "mention being upset about her gran having Alzheimer's". She'd had it for years and I did not ignore it.

This was March 2017. Granny was in a home and had been for years with no change. We knew all about it and asked her about granny every single time we met and had done for years. One occasion I forgot because of my own urgent and serious problems. She blanked me because of that.

My 20 year old cat died last year. I was afraid to mention that because she didn't like cats.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:03

Hillrunning · 27/11/2022 08:57

Think through all your last intentions and see if anything stands put as possibly upsetting or annoying too her. Did you make a joke that didn't land well? Say something judgemental? Did you call her gift token? I bet if you think long enough you will work it out.

I also assumed she was interested or dating your ex.

She's no interest in my ex and vice versa. She's the one who called it a token gift. I didn't make any jokes. She makes them sometimes. It seems like a normal evening and she'd been very chatty on WhatsApp since then for the intervening two weeks too. This is why I'm baffled.

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BaddogGooddoggy · 27/11/2022 09:12

OP just send her a message saying you hope she’s ok and leave it at that.

you’ve been given a ridiculously hard time here.

Are we supposed to constantly enquire about sick relatives these days to qualify as friends?? Jeez. All my friends have multiple sick relatives, as do I. I’m buggered if I’m going to wade my way through all of them before I can start enjoying my friends’ company. And I absolutely don’t want them asking me about mine either. How is it ‘supportive’ to whine on about how shit life and death is? Just give me some chocolate and tell me a joke!

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:22

Moonlitwalk · 27/11/2022 08:27

See? Even now you cannot see how selfish you are being. Unbelievable.

Also- I’m not the one whining online that my friends don’t want to contact me any more 🤷‍♀️

Whining? Is coming on a discussion group whining? Best shut Mumsnet down then.

Friends don't contact me anymore? Where have I said that? It's one friend. Rest are fine thanks.

Practical advice? Got any? Thought not.

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Fizzywaterbubbles · 27/11/2022 09:25

You dont sound like a particularly supportive friend to me. It sounds like its always about you and never about her.

Moonlitwalk · 27/11/2022 09:27

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:22

Whining? Is coming on a discussion group whining? Best shut Mumsnet down then.

Friends don't contact me anymore? Where have I said that? It's one friend. Rest are fine thanks.

Practical advice? Got any? Thought not.

Practical advice? Ok How about this: ASK HER. If she’s such a good friend then bloody ask her why she seems upset instead of asking a bunch of strangers for the reason who don’t know this person from Adam.

is that practical enough for you?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:27

Worth mentioning that the other friend in this threesome nursed both parents through terminal cancer in a space of three years and her sisters fell out with her over the estate, as well as having a serious operation herself. She's not blanked me or anyone else for not caring enough.

It's not about the granny at all. It's something else. And it's not about me being selfish. It's about her perception. But I'm not psychic and if she doesn't tell me I'll never know.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 27/11/2022 09:27

Fizzywaterbubbles · 27/11/2022 09:25

You dont sound like a particularly supportive friend to me. It sounds like its always about you and never about her.

Thanks. Noted.

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SideshowAuntSallly · 27/11/2022 09:43

Why do you assume it's about anything. Maybe she is just you know busy