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Could I have a Handhold please

37 replies

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 17:49

long time poster but name changed.

Not sure where to start but I think my husband is manipulating or sabotaging me. I am peri so could be hormonal paranoia but something isn’t right and I’m in bits. I think he’s making life so unbearable that I leave and then I’m the baddy. His whole persona is a kind and loving man to the outside world. Leaving me wouldn’t fit.

He is reacting angrily (and I mean furious - shouting and talking over me, really aggressive look on his face) to any tiny little things that he perceives as me criticising him. It’s been a few weeks now.

i try not to react but then when I do he says I’m aggressive and that he won’t talk to me outside of set meetings.

He went away for a few days a week ago and has come back calling me ‘abusive’. At worst I’m critical or a ‘nag’ (in the context of having to work so hard for him to just do half the domestic stuff when I work longer hours - he works a day to two a week) - so you could reframe it as me fighting for equality or fairness.

I think he’s gearing up to separate. I wanted to last year because he was getting into physical altercations with our son and I’d tried everything I could. I think it wobbled him and he brought it up the other day that I’d wanted to ‘reject him’ from the family. In truth I was at a loss what else would make him see that how he was being with DC and me wasn’t ok. He did a lot of work and has changed lots of his behaviour with DC and no longer gets physical (it was pushing him away, dragging him somewhere and generally meeting his 10 year old meltdown with aggression rather that parenting). I said at the time I’d call social services if it happened again and if he didn’t change it he’d have to leave. He has changed it.

In the last few weeks he’s been really reactive. To tiny things (e.g. me putting washing up in the bowl when he was washing up and I was helping - shouted really aggressively).

I try really hard to not react. I try not get pulled into this horrible horrible pattern but sometimes I bite and I shout back. If I repeat ‘please stop shouting at me he does momentarily but then it amps up again).

He has now cut me out of his life. He has no interest in mine. He’s cold. He’s seething. He shows me no empathy or affection. He’s called me abusive. When he has a go at me about something if I defend myself he says I’m gaslighting him (e.g. tonight he spoke to me aggressively, I said something passive aggressive back (not proud but I’m human and deeply hurt) and he shouted at me for causing a row. When I said he’d talked to me aggressively and only then had I responded passive aggressively, he denied it. When I said I know he did and I showed him his tone of voice and his hand gesture (very obviously aggressive) he said I was trying to gaslight him.

Nothing I do is right.

my fear is that when he was away he saw a few mutual friends. My paranoid brain is thinking he’s talked to them with this narrative that I’m abusive. None of them got in touch to say they were sorry not to see me. He organised it without inviting me when he usually would. I fear that he’s setting it up so he’s got a support network when he ends things or when he finally drives me to. He’s been working out for the first time in our entire marriage. I fear that he’s realised he’s not much of a catch and is getting ready to go dating.

Then I think that’s not the man I married and I must be paranoid - but he’s unrecognisable. I’ve been crying for two days and he’s shown no empathy. None. In fact in the face of his aggression and him not listening to me I cried in pure frustration and hopelessness and he said ‘oh and now you do this - cry’. So cold and mean.

I dont know why I’m posting really. I’m just really upset. I don’t know what to do. I feel like I’m going mad. I have one friend who knows what’s going on but I shouldn’t dump on her too much as she’s got enough to deal with herself.

im just really sad and alone tonight. Any words of encouragement welcome.

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Pinkbonbon · 25/11/2022 17:55

Get legal advice and get a divorce rolling as soon as you are able. Time to get away from this bully op.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 17:56

I think it might be at that stage sadly. 😔 I can’t bear the thought of my DC going through that.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 17:57

His view is he is boundary setting against my ‘abuse’

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ChrissyShenkle · 25/11/2022 17:58

Get out, don't put up with this abuse a minute longer, take control, make plans ,go to citizens advice, womens aid, get a good support network and bin the piece of shit

ChrissyShenkle · 25/11/2022 18:00

You'll be modeling strong behaviour to your Dc and keeping them safe
Stay and you're showing them that you have to put up with being abused

Pinkbonbon · 25/11/2022 18:02

It should have been at that stage ages ago, when he first got aggressive with your child.

Don't you recognise that the real betrayal was staying with him when he was physically assaulting your child? How must your son feel about that? Compared to that, his parents separating is nothing. Infact it's what you should have done ages back.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:04

he says I’m the one that abused him and he’s now setting a boundary. I have been nit picky and critical. He’s not been great with house stuff and has made lots of mistakes in terms of investment of time and money and not doing what he says he will. I’ve met that with criticism. So now anything he perceived as criticism triggers him. He had critical and contemptuous parenting.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:04

I’m also peri and have not been myself.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:06

Pinkbonbon

DC know I stopped it. Know I put a string boundary in. I basically stood between them and told him to stop.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:06

*strong boundary

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Guiltypleasures001 · 25/11/2022 18:07

He's already with another woman op ide put money on it
Someone's in his ear saying all this stuff to him

Dig a little deeper and get ducks In a row

Always4Brenner · 25/11/2022 18:07

Handhold here but get the ball rolling and leave, you’ve only got one life you deserve more than this. Hugs.

HalfLass · 25/11/2022 18:11

Get a lawyer, get your money safe snd leave.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:11

To be clear his physicality with DC was in response to DC flying at him and attacking him in response to his authoritarian boundary setting - which doesn’t fit for SC well.

So it was wrong but nuanced.

I put a very strong boundary in and it changed. I got advice from a social worker friend. Please don’t add to my massive upset by blaming me for working on things rather than leaving. If we’d separated then he would have had contact then I’d have had no control. They have a really close rel apart from a couple of incidents.

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Pinkbonbon · 25/11/2022 18:11

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:06

Pinkbonbon

DC know I stopped it. Know I put a string boundary in. I basically stood between them and told him to stop.

I get it but you still stayed with him. That subconsciously says 'I'm OK with this behaviour'. Even though you don't mean it to. If I were the boy I'd be thinking 'well, it must be OK because we're still staying with this man'. That sets him up for growing upto think abuse and physical altercations in a relationship is normal. And that apologies or promising not to do it again for example, excuses it. The only acceptable level if abuse in a relationship is none.

Staying is a bad example to set your son.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:13

I can’t leave my DC. DC wouldn’t want to leave his dad. It would devastate him. Husband wants me to leave i think.

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determinedtomakethiswork · 25/11/2022 18:13

Do you know what I would do? I would record him as he is, without telling him, and yes I know that's wrong, but to be honest I couldn't care less, and I'd do that for a couple of weeks before telling him I wanted a divorce.

I would want that evidence of what is really like.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:14

Guiltypleasures001

He would physically cheat but I did wonder if there is someone he’s met.

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Pinkbonbon · 25/11/2022 18:15

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:11

To be clear his physicality with DC was in response to DC flying at him and attacking him in response to his authoritarian boundary setting - which doesn’t fit for SC well.

So it was wrong but nuanced.

I put a very strong boundary in and it changed. I got advice from a social worker friend. Please don’t add to my massive upset by blaming me for working on things rather than leaving. If we’d separated then he would have had contact then I’d have had no control. They have a really close rel apart from a couple of incidents.

Ah OK well of course it changes things if it was in self defense.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:15

determinedtomakethiswork

I recorded him today but then got scared.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:18

Pinkbonbon what are you trying to achieve here. I’m in bits. I feel like a total failure. You don’t know the circumstances. You weren’t there. I’m not defending his behaviour. I’m saying it was wrong and I stopped it very transparently for DC and it’s not happened again. I did my best. If we split he’ll have DC 50/50 and then I’m not there if things get tricky. That’s worse. If I leave DC will want to stay in own home. I am not going to abandon him.

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Toomanysleepycats · 25/11/2022 18:27

I had this in my marriage. I couldn’t say anything without it either being twisted and turned around on me, or he would get cross incredibly quickly. I called time.

My husband also wants to be the good guy and cares what everyone thinks of him. I’m so lucky not to be like that. I have corralled all my closest friends for support.

Just go ahead and start the proceedings. Life sounds hell at the moment. He may want you to divorce him so he can be the victim, he may have another woman and doesn’t want people to think he’s a cheater, it doesn’t matter. Sooner or later it will all come out in the wash, and people will know.

My STBXH is the most charming, fun, gregarious guy you will ever meet. But friends and neighbours over the years have seen what he gets away with, all the toys he has, all the solo trips he goes on. It doesn’t take a genius to realise it’s not been a rose garden. I will carry on just being me. Most friends hate, hate taking sides in a divorce, family are different.

Use his nastiness as the impetus to start your better life.

P.s. Therapy helps a lot.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:33

Toomanysleepycats

thank you for sharing and for your kindness.

I just can’t figure out how to do it if DC wants to stay in his home. He’s had lots of things wobble him. I just feel so awful uprooting him. DH hasn’t always been like this. Not this bad anyway. He’s like a different person. I just feel devasted for DC. I really wanted him to have a stable happy home. 😔

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 18:37

Toomanysleepycats

Ive emailed my counsellor to request an inbetween session. Thanks for reminding me that’s a good idea.

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Pinkglittery · 25/11/2022 18:44

I think in your position I would try my best to disengage. Let him try to twist stuff, to create his own narrative, if you drop the rope then he can't have any affect on you and that's what he wants. I know that's easier said than done and it's so much harder when there are emotions mixed in but if you can try to mentally take a step back and view him as a mildly amusing inconvenience it might help you to get through it while you decide what you want.
Do you want to be with him? Try to figure out what you want, not what he wants but just you. Would you be happier without him? It seems like that might be the case.