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Could I have a Handhold please

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 17:49

long time poster but name changed.

Not sure where to start but I think my husband is manipulating or sabotaging me. I am peri so could be hormonal paranoia but something isn’t right and I’m in bits. I think he’s making life so unbearable that I leave and then I’m the baddy. His whole persona is a kind and loving man to the outside world. Leaving me wouldn’t fit.

He is reacting angrily (and I mean furious - shouting and talking over me, really aggressive look on his face) to any tiny little things that he perceives as me criticising him. It’s been a few weeks now.

i try not to react but then when I do he says I’m aggressive and that he won’t talk to me outside of set meetings.

He went away for a few days a week ago and has come back calling me ‘abusive’. At worst I’m critical or a ‘nag’ (in the context of having to work so hard for him to just do half the domestic stuff when I work longer hours - he works a day to two a week) - so you could reframe it as me fighting for equality or fairness.

I think he’s gearing up to separate. I wanted to last year because he was getting into physical altercations with our son and I’d tried everything I could. I think it wobbled him and he brought it up the other day that I’d wanted to ‘reject him’ from the family. In truth I was at a loss what else would make him see that how he was being with DC and me wasn’t ok. He did a lot of work and has changed lots of his behaviour with DC and no longer gets physical (it was pushing him away, dragging him somewhere and generally meeting his 10 year old meltdown with aggression rather that parenting). I said at the time I’d call social services if it happened again and if he didn’t change it he’d have to leave. He has changed it.

In the last few weeks he’s been really reactive. To tiny things (e.g. me putting washing up in the bowl when he was washing up and I was helping - shouted really aggressively).

I try really hard to not react. I try not get pulled into this horrible horrible pattern but sometimes I bite and I shout back. If I repeat ‘please stop shouting at me he does momentarily but then it amps up again).

He has now cut me out of his life. He has no interest in mine. He’s cold. He’s seething. He shows me no empathy or affection. He’s called me abusive. When he has a go at me about something if I defend myself he says I’m gaslighting him (e.g. tonight he spoke to me aggressively, I said something passive aggressive back (not proud but I’m human and deeply hurt) and he shouted at me for causing a row. When I said he’d talked to me aggressively and only then had I responded passive aggressively, he denied it. When I said I know he did and I showed him his tone of voice and his hand gesture (very obviously aggressive) he said I was trying to gaslight him.

Nothing I do is right.

my fear is that when he was away he saw a few mutual friends. My paranoid brain is thinking he’s talked to them with this narrative that I’m abusive. None of them got in touch to say they were sorry not to see me. He organised it without inviting me when he usually would. I fear that he’s setting it up so he’s got a support network when he ends things or when he finally drives me to. He’s been working out for the first time in our entire marriage. I fear that he’s realised he’s not much of a catch and is getting ready to go dating.

Then I think that’s not the man I married and I must be paranoid - but he’s unrecognisable. I’ve been crying for two days and he’s shown no empathy. None. In fact in the face of his aggression and him not listening to me I cried in pure frustration and hopelessness and he said ‘oh and now you do this - cry’. So cold and mean.

I dont know why I’m posting really. I’m just really upset. I don’t know what to do. I feel like I’m going mad. I have one friend who knows what’s going on but I shouldn’t dump on her too much as she’s got enough to deal with herself.

im just really sad and alone tonight. Any words of encouragement welcome.

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firstmummy2019 · 25/11/2022 19:08

determinedtomakethiswork · 25/11/2022 18:13

Do you know what I would do? I would record him as he is, without telling him, and yes I know that's wrong, but to be honest I couldn't care less, and I'd do that for a couple of weeks before telling him I wanted a divorce.

I would want that evidence of what is really like.

This. I would start secretly recording everytime you are in his presence. That way you have evidence of his abusive ways abd he can't play the victim when this all comes out.

He is massively reading from the script. Doing a 180 on you, working out, staying out, showing you no empathy etc... All signs there is another woman.

I would be getting my ducks in a row, see a solicitor. Under no circumstances are you to leave the house. Disengage. Do not do anything for him. No laundry, cooking, nothing!

pumpkinsareshortlived · 25/11/2022 19:16

Word for word, this is what my ex said to me and how he behaved after starting an affair. He was totally ruthless. He also threw in accusions of me being the one committing adultery ( transference). Every little thing he criticised. I could do no right.

Combine his attitude to you with working away and now working out. Has he had his head turned?

MyGrandmaLizzie · 25/11/2022 19:25

If the mayor was really serious about cutting pollution he would ban the non compliant cars instead of charging.
Just a money making scheme dressed up as environmental.

Ludo19 · 25/11/2022 19:26

He's met someone else. It's a classic trick, turn everything round and imply that you're in the wrong. He's not working out for future dates it's for his OW and will make out you're the one that's abusive.

Autumnalleavestime · 25/11/2022 19:29

You child won’t be going through this, you will, and no child is devastated to leave an unhappy home, every single one would prefer two happy separated parents than living in a war zone.

so don’t use your kid as an excuse to stay. I understand it’s scarey for you, but it’s over, it’s time to deal with it and stop taking the abuse.

Nat6999 · 25/11/2022 19:40

Could he be using steroids when working out? They can make someone aggressive

pumpkinsareshortlived · 25/11/2022 19:40

determinedtomakethiswork · 25/11/2022 18:13

Do you know what I would do? I would record him as he is, without telling him, and yes I know that's wrong, but to be honest I couldn't care less, and I'd do that for a couple of weeks before telling him I wanted a divorce.

I would want that evidence of what is really like.

This!

Do you have access to his phone/ laptop etc? Has he gone all secretive?

I found out courtesy of a car tracker and voice recorder. I also disposed of OW from a recording. After discovery of affair he went to great lengths blaming his conduct on not only me but her. Recorded him, claiming she meant nothing, was a vicious drunk, he didn't care for her, how it was just a massive mistake and how much he loved me. He then talked about plans we'd had in the pipeline for the next few IF I would have him back. I sent her all the recidings and he was well and truly dumped by us both. He couldn't do much about it as he admitted on recordings breaking lockdown rules by having shag sessions at an empty workplace, of which she had no permission to be in.

You need to do a bit of detective work OP. Do not let this abusive man get several steps ahead of you.

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 19:43

Pinkglittery

Good advice. Thank you. I think I need to take extra good care of myself so I have the best chance.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 19:48

def not steroids.

He would never physically cheat but may have become close to someone.

I really appreciate all the responses. Food for thought. Going to try and get some sleep and see what tomorrow brings.

have booked counselling session.

am going to really prioritise looking after myself so I can make good choices here.

thank you all.

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Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 19:48

How do you record without someone knowing?

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pumpkinsareshortlived · 25/11/2022 20:00

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 19:48

How do you record without someone knowing?

You can buy a mid range one from Amazon around £50. It is voice activated so if you go out, you'll know if placed in room he may be in as it automatically records. Recorders are usually duscreet and some magnetic so can be hidden easily.

I used my phone recoder when he was criticising OW. Saved recording in snips and emailed them to her. As I was totally blindsided by affair, I admit to getting just a bit of satisfaction from her reaction 😁

Changeofnameagain · 25/11/2022 20:05

Fair play pumpkin. Don’t blame you. Hope things are easier for you now.

I’ll look into it. I’d be worried about it being found. I’d feel like such an idiot. I was thinking of suggesting we record ourselves talking so we can both hear it back to look for things we do that don’t work. I think he’d be horrified to hear himself back. I don’t think he realises how aggressive and intimidating he is. There are times I come across blunt as well - I’m no angel. Im doing my best though.

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