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Has anyone left their marriage even though you both really love eachother? Please talk to me.

65 replies

thisfuckinghurts · 18/11/2022 18:53

Long story short. My husband and I have been together around two decades. We have three young kids and own a house together. We fell madly in love when we met eachother and have always really loved and fancied eachother. However, in the recent years it’s becoming more and more apparent that we are fundamentally different people with very different needs. Partly we were always different but partly we have also become more different as we responded differently to life events (getting older, having kids and stuff).

My husband is a very sensitive and emotional person whereas I am much more rational and independent. That’s just one big difference, there are others. Because we love eachother a lot and love our family we’ve tried to overcome these differences but we simply haven’t managed it. It now seems I can’t meet his emotional needs which is distressing for him but also for me. It feels like we’re not longer compatible. We’ve really tried to work on things, therapy etc but at the end of the day it hasn’t made much of a difference.

I wonder whether anyone else in this position could share their view. I often read threads on here about people who divorce because the relationship has run it’s course, is toxic, or the spouses still get along well but there isn’t a spark.

But how about people like us? We still very much have a spark and love one another but our diffferent personalities and our inability to resolve these differences is destroying us. Has anyone experienced the same? Did you divorce? Did you stay together? Keen to hear from people especially those who divorced, as I think that’s where we’re headed even though it seems madness when we love eachother and our family😢

OP posts:
thisfuckinghurts · 18/11/2022 19:40

Thanks for your responses. I wonder whether the poster who says this has a point, as I do sometimes wonder this:

“Have you just had enough of your DH being emotional and sensitive and think you'd be happier without him? That's what it sounds like.”

OP posts:
NCgoingdry · 18/11/2022 19:42

I haven't read the other responses but I was in your boat. DH not assessed but clearly autistic and couldn't meet my emotional needs (I say this as a professional in the field not a keyboard doctor).

He hated being touched as time went on but still wanted sex, so I felt used. He couldn't communicate any genuine emotion without analyzing every possible scenario first so all the options were laid for me. Hated socializing which I enjoyed. Different values with the children.

All sounds petty but compounded over ten years it left a huge crater between us.

We split. It was horrific. Messy. Bitter. And both too stubborn to leave the home. Living separate lives. There were times over that six months where I truly hated him. It got so bad I thought, it would be easier if he died. Then I could grieve and move on. But he's here. And I can't move on. Because I love him.

One night we had both reached our limit. Lived independently from each other, considered new relationships, and we were miserable without each other. It drew us together so strongly, we know we can't be apart. It gave us the opportunity to completely lay everything out on the table and make a plan to move forward.

Five years later we are solid still. So I don't have the answer for you, but it doesn't necessarily need to be the end.

ReneBumsWombats · 18/11/2022 19:45

thisfuckinghurts · 18/11/2022 19:40

Thanks for your responses. I wonder whether the poster who says this has a point, as I do sometimes wonder this:

“Have you just had enough of your DH being emotional and sensitive and think you'd be happier without him? That's what it sounds like.”

Ok...in what ways is he emotional and sensitive, that you don't like? Do you have examples?

MsMcGonagall · 18/11/2022 19:48

What does meeting his emotional needs mean? If it is going out a bit more, surely it's as just up to him to organise that including babysitters?

What would it actually mean? then you can work out if it sounds feasible or not.

You might love him OP but if he says he thinks your incompatible and not meeting his emotional needs, then maybe he doesn't love you quite as much. So your phrase "we love each other" maybe isn't true.

I'd be hurt, I think, and let him be on his way...

Vinylloving · 18/11/2022 19:53

I'll be blunt, it either sounds like he wants out and is starting to lay the groundwork for there being an insurmountable problem between you, and is manipulating you into believing it goes both ways. Or, you don't have insight into the way you are as a person and a partner, and if that genuinely means he feels no affection from you, perhaps he has realized that it isn't enough for him. Try and be really objective about what is going on?

LadyVictoriaSponge · 18/11/2022 19:53

Not meeting his emotional needs my arse! that’s just manspeak for he’s bored and wants sex or is having sex with someone else.

Vinylloving · 18/11/2022 19:54

Or maybe he is just very immature and wants all the attention and can't grow up and deal with the reality of family life/ parenting and everything you lose due to that? It doesn't sound abnormal to not have much time alone together, that's just life in the most part

ReneBumsWombats · 18/11/2022 20:10

Vinylloving · 18/11/2022 19:54

Or maybe he is just very immature and wants all the attention and can't grow up and deal with the reality of family life/ parenting and everything you lose due to that? It doesn't sound abnormal to not have much time alone together, that's just life in the most part

Well maybe. But let's hear some more because it's strange to be talking divorce and not able to say why...

JohnStuartMill · 18/11/2022 20:15

I thought we were really happy together but my husband told me he thinks we’re incompatible and I don’t meet his needs.

Is there any chance that this is his way of justifiying looking elsewhere?

Bollocks2that · 18/11/2022 20:23

JohnStuartMill · 18/11/2022 20:15

I thought we were really happy together but my husband told me he thinks we’re incompatible and I don’t meet his needs.

Is there any chance that this is his way of justifiying looking elsewhere?

How many posts have there been where a seemingly happy relationship is turned upside down when the man drops the lines "I don't think we are getting on" from nowhere. Then OP finds there's another woman and DP has been laying the ground work to either leave OR not feel guilty for staying and having his cake and eating it (with emotional distance all the while). Not saying this is happening here but you have to be careful.

longcoffeebreak · 18/11/2022 20:33

Gosh this does sound odd - and I'm normally ripping my eyes when people start saying cherchez la femme.

Oblomov22 · 18/11/2022 20:41

Has he had his head turned, is there somebody else that he likes, some OW on the horizon? because it sounds like he's checked out already.

You are still being very vague, and I still haven't quite grasp the problem.

If he wants to go out more often, then go out more often, book a babysitter and go out. Plus, put the kids to bed cook a steak have a bottle of wine and then have sex.

I'm still confused because you're being very vague and none of what you've said, equates to a major problem.

Blondlashes · 18/11/2022 20:50

Have you asked him if he still wants to be with you?
It’s normal for marriages to have ups and down. DH and I are v different.
Sometimes Love is a decision a choice.
Ask him if he wants to be with you. If he does and you also want to be with him then you will make a way to find it work.

Smineusername · 18/11/2022 20:57

I don't get it. Why are you trying to overcome your differences? Your differences are what are attracting you to each other. You each have what the other lacks. In combination there is balance.

Does your husband really think he would be happier with someone more like him?

Are you expecting too much of a partner? One person cannot satisfy all your needs. Maybe some of those needs could be met by friendships or other pursuits.

mindutopia · 18/11/2022 20:57

How old are your children? And what needs does your Dh feel you aren’t meeting?

I think not having much in the way of time alone together, date nights, weekends away is pretty standard until children are school age. Beyond that, you can make it happen if it’s a priority for both of you. Even if you don’t have family help for a weekend away, you can find a babysitter fa night out or Dh and I often take leave and spend the day together, go out for a nice lunch, see a film, while dc we’re at nursery/school.

I can’t imagine though a situation like you describe where you are happy, enjoy time together, having lots of sex, have similar values. I don’t quite understand what your Dh sees as the problem. Has he been specific about what he feels is missing? What he needs? Because it doesn’t seem at all clear.

Hana89 · 18/11/2022 21:16

My ex-DH and I loved each other very much, but we married young and although I had always said I wanted children, when I turned 29 and said it was time to start a family, he just didn't want to. He had completed his PhD his career was about to take off and after soul searching he had to admit that he never wanted children and didn't see that ever changing ... It was awful for us both but we realised we just wanted completely different things in life so we split. It was heartbreaking at the time but absolutely the right thing.
4 years on, I'm 8 months pregnant, happy with my BF, and ex-DH has a new GF. We meet for coffee on campus almost every week and are dear, dear friends.
It is a difficult path to walk but you and your DH sound deeply connected and you have your children. If you do divorce, I am sure that in time you can build a meaningful friendship together. Good luck OP xx

slowquickstep · 18/11/2022 21:22

I take it you had your children many years after you got together. It is really difficult after being together for many years then having children, you will have been used to a very different carefree relationship. Now you have young children you can't spend the same amount of time on each other. Life is not a fairy tale, family life is bloody hard and the adults just have to grow up and come bottom of the pile. If you love each other and still enjoy spending time together but it is not enough, then what the bloody hell are you looking for ?

TheOpenRoad · 18/11/2022 21:29

So is this coming from your DH rather than you? Is it him saying that you aren't meeting his needs?

Sounds like there might be something else going on with him. And yes, with young kids and full-time work it's completely normal not to have as much time or energy for eachother. Is he unhappy that he's no longer your top priority?

Alcemeg · 18/11/2022 22:03

From your last post, OP, it sounds as though perhaps you are seeking permission to admit that you've had enough of his neediness? In what ways do you have to step up and be "rational" where he isn't? That can be very draining.

If everyone who split up just hated the other person, it would be a lot easier to do. The reason there are long threads on MN pondering the options, even when everyone is yelling "LTB!", is that we all marry or partner with someone because we love them. Letting go of that is extremely difficult.

Chuntypops · 18/11/2022 22:13

Vinylloving · 18/11/2022 19:53

I'll be blunt, it either sounds like he wants out and is starting to lay the groundwork for there being an insurmountable problem between you, and is manipulating you into believing it goes both ways. Or, you don't have insight into the way you are as a person and a partner, and if that genuinely means he feels no affection from you, perhaps he has realized that it isn't enough for him. Try and be really objective about what is going on?

This. I’m so sorry.

Knulp · 18/11/2022 22:27

thisfuckinghurts · 18/11/2022 18:53

Long story short. My husband and I have been together around two decades. We have three young kids and own a house together. We fell madly in love when we met eachother and have always really loved and fancied eachother. However, in the recent years it’s becoming more and more apparent that we are fundamentally different people with very different needs. Partly we were always different but partly we have also become more different as we responded differently to life events (getting older, having kids and stuff).

My husband is a very sensitive and emotional person whereas I am much more rational and independent. That’s just one big difference, there are others. Because we love eachother a lot and love our family we’ve tried to overcome these differences but we simply haven’t managed it. It now seems I can’t meet his emotional needs which is distressing for him but also for me. It feels like we’re not longer compatible. We’ve really tried to work on things, therapy etc but at the end of the day it hasn’t made much of a difference.

I wonder whether anyone else in this position could share their view. I often read threads on here about people who divorce because the relationship has run it’s course, is toxic, or the spouses still get along well but there isn’t a spark.

But how about people like us? We still very much have a spark and love one another but our diffferent personalities and our inability to resolve these differences is destroying us. Has anyone experienced the same? Did you divorce? Did you stay together? Keen to hear from people especially those who divorced, as I think that’s where we’re headed even though it seems madness when we love eachother and our family😢

This all sounds quite familiar to me, I was in a similar position some years ago, the points that resonate are that I can be quite sensitive and emotional, and my partner was very rational and independent. There was always a spark, and we loved each other hugely, I guess I wanted a softer more understanding partner, I think she wanted someone who was less emotional and less sensitive, so we did split, at my request, 10 years on, we are both still single, we still see each other, we still love each other, she has softened, I have become less emotional and less sensitive, I never stopped thinking about her every day, and although I came across women that were soft and emotional and sensitive, they lacked other things that she had, and I realised that just one facet wrong out of hundreds that were right should not be the be all and end all.

However, looking back, if someone had explained that to me 10 years ago, it would not have made any difference. It's hard to put into words how something on paper can look so great but feel so bad, to the point where you want to call it a day, but I can understand that, because it happened to me. People, on the whole can't change, you cannot magically become more or less sensitive, or understanding, or rational, or independent, if I was talking to myself 10 years ago, I would suggest a short trial separation, because it would very quickly indicate whether the choices you are about to make feel good, or feel bad, for both parties, and go from there, sometimes you have to lose something, before you realise how good it actually is.

20 years together is a long time to build up frustrations, not everyone changes at the same time, in the same way, sometimes you have to play catch up, and that can feel like end of the world, I don't really have a solution, but the grass may not be greener for him on the other side, it certainly was not for me.

Skyway · 18/11/2022 22:49

You have been busy havn't you, doing all the martital duties and now he's concentrating on his feelings.

Men do not bring up obsticals like this for nothing, this is the blame game being played out, as a pp said the groundwork for future unacountability and guilt.

You are being forced into solving a problem which did not exist, open your eyes, this man is lying.

ClareBlue · 18/11/2022 22:50

I am reading it as a decade plus together where he was the OP's only focus and along comes a child and her focus is not all about him anymore. He sees this as his emotional needs not being met, for example not going out enough as a couple like they used to. OP is getting fed up of this continual need for focus on him when she has a child to nurture.
It's not that unusual for some fathers to feel neglected when a child becomes part of the dynamic or for a mother to see how needy their partner actual is.
It absolutely can end a relationship.

ehb102 · 18/11/2022 23:06

Notanotherusernamenow · 18/11/2022 19:22

Cherchez la femme, I’m afraid. His head is likely turned if you’re “not meeting his needs” when you have good sex and laughs and have enjoyable family time.

This. Thanks for saving me posting it.

BackOnTheBandWagon · 18/11/2022 23:14

ClareBlue · 18/11/2022 22:50

I am reading it as a decade plus together where he was the OP's only focus and along comes a child and her focus is not all about him anymore. He sees this as his emotional needs not being met, for example not going out enough as a couple like they used to. OP is getting fed up of this continual need for focus on him when she has a child to nurture.
It's not that unusual for some fathers to feel neglected when a child becomes part of the dynamic or for a mother to see how needy their partner actual is.
It absolutely can end a relationship.

Oh goodness yes. Thankfully my DH has pulled himself together, but when our son was about 6 months old he was so very morose and "poor me". I didn't mention divorce but by god did I think about it. Much better nearly 2 years down the line thankfully.

Hope you can find a happy solution for both of you OP, but sounds like your H needs to pull his finger out one way or another, starting with his communication, as he's really not being clear.