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Youmeplus3 · 15/11/2022 00:51

I've just moved abroad for my husbands job and our 3 kids.

I've found out tonight he has been cheating on me.

What do I do.

He started the relationship a month before we left apparently.

My Mum and Dad died 3 weeks apart 18 months ago and I'm still I a really bad place. I don't think I can go on.

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YoSofi · 15/11/2022 07:21

Don’t say anything yet.

Get the passports back, plan a trip home to see family, for Christmas - any excuse.

Then leave the horrible, heartless bastard. I’m so sorry for the loss of your parents x

ThatPirateLady · 15/11/2022 07:22

*Is he military

my kingdom for an edit option

DivorcingEU · 15/11/2022 08:49

You need to have his permission to move the kids back to the U.K., and if you don't need that permission because of the timeframe, you absolutely need legal advice confirm that. This is a lm international family law practice in Munich. They work in English. se-legal.de/schlun-elseven-lawyers/family-law-germany/divorce/international-divorce-german-family-lawyer/?lang=en.

OP I am not recommending this practice, I'm just posting it because I had a free five minutes and know what it's like to be abroad and in a shit situation.

What is most important now is that you know your legal rights. I cannot stress this enough. If this lawyer isn't for you, use the terms on the page to search for another. Mumsnet cannot advice you properly as international laws are now involved and due to Brexit things are a bit more complicated than before. If you're a military family, however, then that's different.

What's certain though is that you need to move fast. The more the children reside in Germany, the more it is considered their habitual residence.

I'm so sorry he's done this. There aren't really enough words to describe the type of shit he is. Please, though, allow yourself to feel shit, but also allow yourself some power here. The shortcut is to know your rights, all of them, in detail, whether military or civilian. You have options, fight for yourself, alongside feeling utterly blindsided and betrayed to a degree most of us can't imagine.

Musti · 15/11/2022 09:47

Hi op. What do you want to do? Do his parents know that he has been cheating?

You need professional advice and luckily it is still only a few months so hopefully you will be able to go back.

Or do you want to stay in Germany for a few years? Do you work etc?

Fraaahnces · 15/11/2022 10:33

Go in and visit him and work and grab them. Tell them that you refuse to sign a damn thing thanks to his infidelity and you expect to be funded to return home and raise your family in a manner to which you are accustomed or you will embarrass the hell out of him.

dogmandu · 15/11/2022 10:59

l'm from UK and have lived near Munich for many years. I've never had a problem taking my children or my grandchildren out of the country - admittedly they weren't small at the time . I had a UK passport and they had German ones.

limabeans · 15/11/2022 11:23

SIT tight.

Pretend you don't know.

Take the kids back to the UK for Christmas.

The rest you know what to do.

limabeans · 15/11/2022 11:25

Go back to the UK for an early christmas.

girlmom21 · 15/11/2022 11:26

Is he cheating with a woman in Germany or a woman in the UK?

I agree with the 'holiday for the kids' suggestion.

Aussiegirl123456 · 15/11/2022 11:27

I’m so sorry, this is so shit for you. And the children.
Does he know you know? What do you want to do? As in stay in Germany or return to England? Must be such a shock for you you poor love

TidyDancer · 15/11/2022 11:29

I'm so sorry OP. You definitely need to bide your time on this one. Get those passports back asap. Agree with the suggestions of a Christmas trip back to the UK but make sure you know the ins and outs of it legally.

CombatBarbie · 15/11/2022 11:40

If he's military or civil servant it's fairly easy to get you and the kids back to the UK. If he refused to give the passports you can get emergency documents from the consulate, however if its MOD related then it wouldn't come to that as his management would step in.

I used to travel solo frequently from Germany with the kids no problem, the only time I was questioned was when I'd just married and my eldests surname was still my Maiden name but I had all the certificates.

Worriedpartner1234 · 15/11/2022 11:41

If he doesn’t know that you know, use this time wisely. Take photos of all evidence and begin to understand your finances such as pensions, mortgages etc. I hate to say it but you might be surprised what else you find out.

cosmicbabe · 15/11/2022 11:55

He's cheating on you with someone where you've moved too??

GreenManalishi · 15/11/2022 11:58

Is the affair partner in Germany or the UK?

dreamingbohemian · 15/11/2022 12:03

Get legal advice but I agree that if you come home for Xmas there is a good chance he can't make you return

newtb · 15/11/2022 12:09

OP, I got screwed in a French divorce as there's no pension sharing. Even if, down the line, you are ordinarily and tax-resident in Germany you retain your domicile of origin in the UK. This means you have the right to divorce in the UK if that is better financially for you. From what I remember there's a UK firm called Terry that can give advice as to which jurisdiction would be better for you.
France has now moved to no fault divorce, no longer any financial penalty for the 'guilty' party. Germany may be the same.

newtb · 15/11/2022 12:14

Just checked, it is Terry, their site is www.terry.uk

Good luck

Fraaahnces · 15/11/2022 12:45

If you haven’t signed the residents permit documents the you absolutely CAN return. Do it now.

PlatinumBrunette · 15/11/2022 12:48

ClaryFairchild · 15/11/2022 06:42

You're not considered a resident for Hague Convention purposes until you've been there for 12 months. So if you can get back to the UK he wouldn't be able to make you return the children.

This is so not true.

OP Please take note, much of the info here is absolutely untrue. You simply cannot get on a plane and move back home with your kids. You just can't. You can then be arrested for kidnap/abduction and forcibly returned to Germany. You need specialised, international legal advice ASAP.

DarceyG · 15/11/2022 12:55

Youmeplus3 · 15/11/2022 01:59

Yes 3 children, age 3, 4 and 6 .

Omg that is just horrible. What a piece of shit this man is!!! apparently its common (well for arseholes) to look elsewhere when the current partner is grieving or going through a terrible time. I would come home I'd be on the next flight you need your support network, you need to get away from him. With such young children too!! mine did it when my DD was 2 and that was bad enough with just one child.

Sellorkeep · 15/11/2022 13:24

Does he know you know?
If not, keep your powder dry, get legal advice - beg/borrow/steal to pay for it if you have to as it could be the most important advice of your life. Do not make any assumptions eg that logic applies, that you can just move home with your kids.

DivorcingEU · 15/11/2022 17:17

OP I've been thinking about you today.

There's so much well-meaning advice here, but some of it isn't correct. I don't know what is correct exactly, because I haven't studied German law. I do know that if you get it wrong re leaving the country with the kids when you shouldn't, that things can go from very bad to even worse.

Please get legal advice for your situation from international family lawyers in Germany. It's so important.

He's a shit of the most exponential possible.

Please also don't feel you have to stay and forgive him - this is truly unforgivable.

Brigante9 · 15/11/2022 23:10

Get the passports back. Can you afford to go home with the dc?

Youmeplus3 · 16/11/2022 09:49

They met 6 weeks or so before we moved:(

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