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My husband

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LizzyLisa · 14/11/2022 11:51

My husband started to act strange a few months ago. He started being on his phone a lot more than usual. Going to the bathroom for a long time with his phone. He stopped telling me he loved me. Even stopped wanting to cuddle me or saying anything remotely kind to me.

He started secretly drinking.

One night I had enough and went out to the toilet he uses and looked through his back pack. In there were two extra phones.

I guessed the passcode and had a look through and found message after message between him and a woman I had never heard of.

She was upset and speaking to him about her husband who she is divorcing because he had an affair. In the texts he wakes in the morning and the first thing he does is ask if she is ok and builds her up. Offers her support and someone to offload to. Even offering her kids guitar lessons.

I kept it to myself and one day saw him text her in our living room. I asked who he was texting. He said it was someone else.

A few nights in later his watch buzzed. I raised his wrist to look he pulled away. I said who is texting. I went to look again. He then said it was this woman Helen.

He says he is just friends with her and he is helping her through a bad time.

I messaged her the next day and invited her around for dinner. When she came she seemed completely absorbed in her woes. Nothing indicated anything wrong was taking place.

My husband carried on texting her all the time our of work. When he was supposed to be with the kids doing things.

I said to him it is starting to make me feel really uncomfortable. So I sent her a message explaining why it was making me feel uncomfortable and it makes me feel bad if on date night he is sat there texting her or when I get out of bed or even when he goes to the toilet for half an hour or first thing in the morning. She said she understood. Yet it is still continuing.

Last weekend I told my husband I felt lonely. He ignored me. When I left the room and came back in he was texting her to see how she was doing.

The day before he had annoyed me by sharing with her a secret that was mine and I didn’t give him permission to share.

This friday she was feeling down (so was I because my husband has ignored me the night before when I asked him to go bed with me for some sexy time) so he left her a packet of biscuits on her car to cheer her up.

I wouldn’t mind but my husband has had emotional affairs in the past and this relationship he kept secret from me and it is now crossing so many boundaries and making me feel so uncomfortable.

I wanted some advice about how other people would deal with this.

OP posts:
LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 16:27

I don’t even know anymore. He can’t even say I look pretty.

OP posts:
GreenManalishi · 15/11/2022 16:35

It doesn't matter if he accepts his behaviour is unacceptable. You don't need to sit them down and explain it. She is not your issue, and what he thinks and wants clearly doesn't align with what you need, so you give yourself permission to do what you need to do. Do not wait for him to make things easy for you.

Wellitjustgetsworse · 15/11/2022 16:40

I'm in same situation and the ow name is the same. Maybe it's the same women 😂 all the best it fucking hurts

lookingformyleopard · 15/11/2022 17:27

Is this thread genuine?
I'm confused. So your oh uses a toilet in an outhouse? And he had a rucksack in there with two burner phones? And all he's using these secret phones for is to text a woman at his work who's going through a divorce? And he's spending all his free time texting her.

If all this is true, you don't need 'spidey senses' to see that this is an issue!
He's spending all his energy and effort on her and ignoring you. She's not your friend. And she's not the problem. It's your husband who is your problem here, she hasn't forced him into this. He's having an affair with her, even if it is 'only 'emotional.

Does he also have some kind of side hustle as a dealer or something?

MsDogLady · 15/11/2022 17:40

Lizzy, how can you be surprised that this experienced cheat is having another emotional affair and gaslighting you?

He’s invested in this OW and is not going to admit his infidelity that he’s carrying on right in front of you.

Stop the futile efforts to make them feel guilty. They won’t care about your feelings/boundaries because they’re locked into the intimacy and gratification of their Damsel/KISA dynamic. He’s addicted to it, so it’s been easy for him to devalue you, buy extra phones, withdraw his attention and affection, and channel them to OW.

Lizzy, you’ve been tolerating this serial cheat for far too long. My advice is to change your M.O., tell him to leave, and meet with a solicitor to learn your options.

lookingformyleopard · 15/11/2022 17:46

Sorry, I realise my post wasn't very sympathetic. This sounds very difficult for you.
Buying secret mobiles is not a normal level of effort to go to to text a friend though. If he's trying to gaslight you into thinking all this is normal, then that's almost as big a problem as the affair. He's not treating you with any kindness or love here.

Mirrorcell · 15/11/2022 17:53

He is having an EA, not so sure she is. I’m wondering if it’s all one sided on his part, he’s infatuated and fawning after her and she is wrapped up in her own issues and sees him
as a friend. If not why on earth would she mention the biscuits etc.

What is stopping you leaving him?

2bazookas · 15/11/2022 18:16

Contact her again and say

"Sorry to say this Marjory but your friendship with DH is getting in the way of our marriage. I have to ask you to back off."

She will tell DH of course but when he objects, you just say "I've tried to tell you over and over. NOW maybe you'll listen and understand."

movingon2022 · 15/11/2022 21:39

Dear OP I do feel sorry about what is happening to you, but am having difficulties understanding your dilemma. What you are describing sounds like a teenage boy in love. This is not how a grown, married man behaves. To me there is no dilemma. This is totally unacceptable behavior. Weather or not he had sex with her is not important, he is infatuated by this woman and he is doing it openly, in front of you. Asking him to stop, even if he did, is not a solution. Him stopping may change what he is doing but now who he is. He will do it again, that is for sure. You should also not be contacting this woman as she is not your problem, he is.

I am very sorry to tell you this, but I think that the only solution for you is to kick him out. That is what I would do anyway.

flewover · 15/11/2022 22:02

If he's gonna cheat he Gonna do it despite what interventions you put in place to try and stop them, it might bring them closer as it's crossing the boundary that you are aware.

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 00:18

I started talking to her knowing full well what its like to be cheated on. And she will leave me undelivered and speak to my despite knowing how uncomfortable everything has made me feel.

It is almost like she is getting off on causing issues.

Forget about her.
You are not in a relationship with her.

Your H has TWO SECRET PHONES. You don't need to know any more than that. He has cheated before, he's probably cheating now, & he will cheat again.
Assuming you are no longer going to accept that, you need to stop sleuthing, stop messing around trying to communicate with his OW, & start coldly looking at what you would be entitled to in terms of assets if you split.

Consult a solicitor - in secret.
Start thinking about how your life would look without this cheat in it.
& bolster yourself by reading ChumpLady - browse the archives, learn from her experience, humour & wisdom - www.chumplady.com/about-chump-lady/

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 00:21

LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 11:38

Well she text me that night to tell me how her solicitors appointment went telling me “Been so busy today sorry I haven’t text earlier I have not had a chance to text anyone. Mark saw how upset I was after the solicitors appointment and said I looked deflated. He was so sweet and left a pack of biscuits as a gift on my car to cheer me up. How sweet is that?”

She text me at 19.00. However, she text him at 18.00 to thank him so much for the biscuits and how sweet it was and how it cheered her up.

He never said a word to me until I got that text and simmering I asked him about it. And he said yeah I left biscuits on her car to cheer her up and be kind. I just said well I have been upset all day because of how you ignored me last night, I didn’t get a packet of biscuits on my car. He just said I was making a big deal out of nothing and how was being kind to a friend an issue?

I felt like I was being unreasonable and had no right to feel upset if I am honest.

They're both mindfucking you & your best option is to disengage completely while you take all the practical, legal & financial steps you need in order to obtain a divorce & fair settlement.

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 00:23

My husband seems to not understand healthy boundaries nor how friendships work.
Of course he does.
Or he wouldn't be conducting his "friendships" via secret phones, would he?

He simply doesn't believe the rules apply to him.

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 16/11/2022 00:31

LizzyLisa · 14/11/2022 16:53

I really feel for you.

I really don’t have a problem with him having female friends at all.

I have a problem with the weird behaviour. The keeping the friendship a secret to begin with. The secret messaging. The fact that he has admitted deleting texts between them both. The fact I say I am lonely and he ignores me then texts her to make sure she is ok.

I started talking to her knowing full well what its like to be cheated on. And she will leave me undelivered and speak to my despite knowing how uncomfortable everything has made me feel.

It is almost like she is getting off on causing issues.

I asked him to dial it back a bit and he is still finding energy to think about her first thing in the morning and whenever I am out if the room.

Now it has escalated to gifts on her car. Looking how to mend her broken jewellery. Making sure she is ok and feels valued when he has devalued me the night before.

I feel like I am being gaslighted into believing this is all innocent when it doesn’t feel that way. I am certainly not texting my male friends all day everyday and making sure I am available everyday for them to vent nor am I leaving gifts for them to find on their car or fixing their things nor neglecting my husband and texting them instead.

My husband seems to not understand healthy boundaries nor how friendships work. I don’t put my friendships above my husbands mental health.

Show him the door. You really don’t need this weak man .

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 00:31

I am so sorry to hear about that happening to you. I am seriously considering telling them both I want to speak to them both together and saying exactly what I am unhappy about.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?
Believe me, they both know why you are unhappy.
Don't even dream of enacting this humiliation on yourself.

That way neither can deny they’re unaware of the others behaviour or of how it is affecting me.
Sure they can. Your H already is.

It carries on past that I just have to boot him out because he is either emotionally incapable of understanding what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, or he is getting some sort of kick out of making me feel bad.
He didn't care how you felt about his previous affairs.
He doesn't care what you feel about this one.
He won't care what you feel about the next one.
I am so sorry OP - you need to wake up & realise that no amount of telling him how much he is hurting you is .... going to stop him hurting you.

He would have me believe he thinks he is doing nothing wrong and he genuinely feels that way. I do not see how it is possible.
It isn't possible. You need to divorce him. He will only ever make you miserable.
You do not need his agreement that he is unreasonable.
You do not need his permission to feel hurt.
You do not need his opinion on whether he is wrong to have affairs.
All you need do is make up your mind that you won;t tolerate it any more.
What he thinks no longer matters.
All talking to him will bring you is more bullshit.

Fraaahnces · 16/11/2022 01:24

I would text her and say “So happy your solicitor’s appointment was good. Hope mine goes as well tomorrow.”

Fraaahnces · 16/11/2022 01:25

Or “Next week”

Fraaahnces · 16/11/2022 01:26

Watch his behaviour change like fucking lightning then wake up to the fact that your DH is a fake. A liar. He is an actor when he could be arsed. He couldn’t give a shit about you. Get paperwork together and GET TO SOLICITOR FOR REAL.

NicholJO · 16/11/2022 02:10

Op stop pinching straw's it's over he doesn't care about you he only care about the ow it's over he obviously don't love you too keep cheating on you

Cherry35 · 16/11/2022 02:54

I would give him an ultimatum, it's either you or her. This is an emotional affair and even if you have kids together you shouldn't allow this. This is bad for your mental health and self worth.

Any time she wants it will be a full on relationship. I wouldn't be able to live with that, you are the second or other woman now because all his attention is on her.

Of course it's his fault but it's up to you how much you allow this to go on, he will not change at this point. I would have leftt on the first or second emotional affair.

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 09:40

I would give him an ultimatum, it's either you or her.

I agree with all the points in your post but this one @Cherry35
It's not just pointless - it hands all OP's power to her H.

He would take an ultimatum as another chance to play mindgames.
He would interpret it ONLY from the perspective of "my wife still wants me, so there's no expensive threat to my marriage, therefore I can do what I want - might have to be a bit more discreet for a few weeks is all ..."

He's already cheated, OP already knows he will always cheat - what's the point of an ultimatum, asking him - essentially - to lie about his current & future cheating?

OP's best bet is to keep her head down & see a lawyer.
And STOP contacting the OW.

LizzyLisa · 16/11/2022 12:47

KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 09:40

I would give him an ultimatum, it's either you or her.

I agree with all the points in your post but this one @Cherry35
It's not just pointless - it hands all OP's power to her H.

He would take an ultimatum as another chance to play mindgames.
He would interpret it ONLY from the perspective of "my wife still wants me, so there's no expensive threat to my marriage, therefore I can do what I want - might have to be a bit more discreet for a few weeks is all ..."

He's already cheated, OP already knows he will always cheat - what's the point of an ultimatum, asking him - essentially - to lie about his current & future cheating?

OP's best bet is to keep her head down & see a lawyer.
And STOP contacting the OW.

Well I told them both last night after my husband sat me down on date night and told me he doesn’t feel connected to me anymore and the love is more like a sister or family member or something.

I think he is just a lost cause now if I am honest. I deserve so much better than a husband who doesn’t know respect and boundaries.

To be completely frank I am starting to feel sorry for whoever comes after me.

I think I have wasted enough of my emotional wellbeing and life on him.

All the advice has been really helpful. I am going to carefully contemplate what I next.

As for the OW she is completely welcome to another lying cheating bloke in her life. I am done with them if I am honest.

OP posts:
KettrickenSmiled · 16/11/2022 12:54

Well done @LizzyLisa for you insight & resolve.

Keep posting - when YOU feel like it, you don't owe us updates - but just for support & solidarity. He will play more mindgames when he realises you are out, & PP have a LOT of collective experience in how to deal with that.

LizzyLisa · 16/11/2022 13:28

thenewduchessoflapland · 15/11/2022 13:51

He's has multiple emotional affairs and here he is having another.

She wants a shoulder to lean on and a man to rely on now that her own has gone;she doesn't care that it's causing issues;he's probably gas lighting her into thinking he's a good husband which he isn't being at the moment.

If doesn't matter if it's not physical he's investing more time and energy into their relationship than yours and devoting more attention to her than you.He's covering up what he's doing and lying right to your face.That's an affair.

Does your DH have self esteem issues or vanity issues that cause him to such an attention whore and crave the rush of another woman's attention?

If he doesn't leave you for this woman he'll eventually leave you for someone else as he seems to not be able to help himself.

Why are you putting up with him?

He has massive self esteem issues. I think he knows he isn’t good enough for me. He may even feel guilty about the multiple traumas he puts me through? Who knows? He certainly doesn’t loose any sleep over anything like I have.

OP posts:
OldFan · 16/11/2022 13:47

He may even feel guilty about the multiple traumas he puts me through?

Not guilty enough for it to have stopped him doing it again, though. Sad