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My husband

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LizzyLisa · 14/11/2022 11:51

My husband started to act strange a few months ago. He started being on his phone a lot more than usual. Going to the bathroom for a long time with his phone. He stopped telling me he loved me. Even stopped wanting to cuddle me or saying anything remotely kind to me.

He started secretly drinking.

One night I had enough and went out to the toilet he uses and looked through his back pack. In there were two extra phones.

I guessed the passcode and had a look through and found message after message between him and a woman I had never heard of.

She was upset and speaking to him about her husband who she is divorcing because he had an affair. In the texts he wakes in the morning and the first thing he does is ask if she is ok and builds her up. Offers her support and someone to offload to. Even offering her kids guitar lessons.

I kept it to myself and one day saw him text her in our living room. I asked who he was texting. He said it was someone else.

A few nights in later his watch buzzed. I raised his wrist to look he pulled away. I said who is texting. I went to look again. He then said it was this woman Helen.

He says he is just friends with her and he is helping her through a bad time.

I messaged her the next day and invited her around for dinner. When she came she seemed completely absorbed in her woes. Nothing indicated anything wrong was taking place.

My husband carried on texting her all the time our of work. When he was supposed to be with the kids doing things.

I said to him it is starting to make me feel really uncomfortable. So I sent her a message explaining why it was making me feel uncomfortable and it makes me feel bad if on date night he is sat there texting her or when I get out of bed or even when he goes to the toilet for half an hour or first thing in the morning. She said she understood. Yet it is still continuing.

Last weekend I told my husband I felt lonely. He ignored me. When I left the room and came back in he was texting her to see how she was doing.

The day before he had annoyed me by sharing with her a secret that was mine and I didn’t give him permission to share.

This friday she was feeling down (so was I because my husband has ignored me the night before when I asked him to go bed with me for some sexy time) so he left her a packet of biscuits on her car to cheer her up.

I wouldn’t mind but my husband has had emotional affairs in the past and this relationship he kept secret from me and it is now crossing so many boundaries and making me feel so uncomfortable.

I wanted some advice about how other people would deal with this.

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Fireballxl5 · 14/11/2022 19:37

Tell your dh that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
And that as you are having a hard time in your marriage, with him, tell him you’re going to sign up to a dating site but only so you can chat to someone like ow does with him. Absolutely nothing will be going on. Obviously.

Herejustforthisone · 14/11/2022 20:39

Oh my god, leave. Your husband is a cunt.

He’s cheating (again) in plain sight!

totallyoutnumbered · 14/11/2022 22:37

Have my first LTB

Notforme123 · 14/11/2022 22:41

What is it your looking for from this thread OP? There’s only one course of action to take and you know it.

LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 08:13

Validation mainly. I have been told point blank I am being stupid and this is a friendship. And he doesn’t feel like he is allowed to have friends. I really feel strongly about him having friends and being able to have people outside our marriage to chat to, however everything about this friendship sets my teeth on edge. Its the way he has conducted himself and how he continues to conduct himself even though it is causing us problems in our marriage. I don’t get how someone not as important to him as me is worth hurting me about and making me feel exactly like what she is currently going through and what he is supposedly trying to help her through.

I suppose I wanted to see if everyone else’s ses spidey senses tingled to and this is not all in my head because he acts as if I am unreasonable for asking him to dial it back a bit until I feel comfortable.

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MrMrsJones · 15/11/2022 08:22

It's a friendship to the point they are having the relationship (all be it without sex, although he would probably like to) and you are the poor relative.

He is putting all his energy into this other women and non into you.

Personally, as he has done it before, he is doing it now, and he will do it in the future, I would leave him.

Start divorce proceedings

Mistlewoeandwhine · 15/11/2022 10:12

He doesn’t love or respect you. You must leave him, for your own dignity.

GreenManalishi · 15/11/2022 10:22

My husband seems to not understand healthy boundaries

which is all the more reason for you to have your own. Spidey senses tingling? It is as plain as the nose on your face, he's not exactly being covert about it. Your issue isn't with her, she is just one woman who needs a bit of attention, that he's going to stick on his superman cape for to boost his own ego. His actions although they seem kind, are purely selfish. It makes him feel good.

The fact that he is telling you point blank you are being stupid doesn't mean a thing other than he's not willing to accept that his behaviour is unreasonable, therefore will never change.

You don't need to wait for him to turn around and say, You're right Lizzy, I'm behaving in a totally unacceptable way and it is damaging to you, as validation of how you feel about this. You know how you feel about it, and what you need to do.

RecoveringSodokuAddict · 15/11/2022 10:29

OP you're so calm and level headed. I'd have been reacting in not such a steady way.

My spidey sense = alarm sounding complete with lights flashing.

I'd be leaving this man.

notstoppingnow · 15/11/2022 10:37

He left a packet of biscuits (!) on her car?!
That's an odd thing to do. Does she particularly like biscuits? What were they and how did you find out he'd done this?
That doesn't sound like a particularly 'romantic' gesture (unless you're sixteen years old).

LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 11:38

Well she text me that night to tell me how her solicitors appointment went telling me “Been so busy today sorry I haven’t text earlier I have not had a chance to text anyone. Mark saw how upset I was after the solicitors appointment and said I looked deflated. He was so sweet and left a pack of biscuits as a gift on my car to cheer me up. How sweet is that?”

She text me at 19.00. However, she text him at 18.00 to thank him so much for the biscuits and how sweet it was and how it cheered her up.

He never said a word to me until I got that text and simmering I asked him about it. And he said yeah I left biscuits on her car to cheer her up and be kind. I just said well I have been upset all day because of how you ignored me last night, I didn’t get a packet of biscuits on my car. He just said I was making a big deal out of nothing and how was being kind to a friend an issue?

I felt like I was being unreasonable and had no right to feel upset if I am honest.

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LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 11:40

Trust me I feel like throwing all my toys out of the pram. I am trying to be “Adult” about this as we have three kids together.

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GreenManalishi · 15/11/2022 11:41

He just said I was making a big deal out of nothing and how was being kind to a friend an issue? I felt like I was being unreasonable and had no right to feel upset if I am honest.

He doesn't get to be the judge of whether you can feel upset or not. You have every right to be upset. He's not going to turn around and validate your feelings, because it means that he has to take some accountability for what he is doing. He will not do this.

You need to give yourself permission to feel however you feel about this, and act accordingly. You will get no help from him.

GreenManalishi · 15/11/2022 11:43

He wants you to feel like you have no right to be upset. He wants you to be quiet and keep functioning as the "wife" and leave him to it.

This has happened before, and it is happening now.

It is happening and it is real. You are not making it up. You are not being unreasonable.

LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 11:48

Thank you for your kind words.

It really does mean a lot.

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cosmicbabe · 15/11/2022 11:52

It's quite plain to read. He cares more for his 'friend' than he does for you. I would leave and find someone that wants to make me their number 1

TheGoodEnoughWife · 15/11/2022 11:53

Oh dear. This is not okay. He thinks you are just there and he needs to make no effort with you. He is impressing someone else.

Get angry. How dare he treat another woman better then you?! You deserve better than this.

Time for him to be woken up to you having choice. Personally, since it has happened before, I would be done.

Sunshineandflipflops · 15/11/2022 12:03

Some of this sounds v familiar.

A few years ago. my exh started acting a little differently - less engaged with me and family life, spending a lot of time on his phone, "helping someone at work through a tough time" which impacted greatly on our family time.

Long story short, he was having an affair and the person he was "helping" was the ow. I felt to stupid when I found out but he was always the first to help anyone out (apart from me).

I think you are being too relaxed about the whole thing op. He needs to cut contact with her other than 'normal' colleague pleasantries and she needs to get proper support for herself from someone other than your husband.

LizzyLisa · 15/11/2022 12:15

I am so sorry to hear about that happening to you. I am seriously considering telling them both I want to speak to them both together and saying exactly what I am unhappy about. That way neither can deny they’re unaware of the others behaviour or of how it is affecting me. It carries on past that I just have to boot him out because he is either emotionally incapable of understanding what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, or he is getting some sort of kick out of making me feel bad. He would have me believe he thinks he is doing nothing wrong and he genuinely feels that way. I do not see how it is possible.

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Letthesunshineonin · 15/11/2022 12:16

How upsetting for you OP. I would feel as if he was taking me for a fool. The other woman texting you and being all chatty is like rubbing your nose in it. Hiding in plain sight I would say.

Facecream · 15/11/2022 12:21

He does understand friendships. He does understand boundaries.
He does understand he is upsetting you.
He just doesn’t care.
Think about that.
He doesn’t care how he effects you or how you feel.
Never mind her - are you ok with that being your life partner?

Quiegal · 15/11/2022 12:31

@LizzyLisa

Tell him while you understand he is helping her as she having a bad time this has got to the point he putting her feelings first and not yours. This has got inappropriate.

Because he doing this your needs are not being met and this will end your you both.
He need to leave her be as she getting drawn by your DP/DH.
She could be misreading his kindness and he might be falling for her or developing feelings.

TheGoodEnoughWife · 15/11/2022 12:44

Where is your pride OP? You want to sit them both down and point out how much they are hurting you? They are not your children winding you up, he is your husband who is treating you like shit and she is insignificant in this. If not her, someone else. As he has before.

Borntobeamum · 15/11/2022 12:53

Ok op. Their skin is so thick they cannot see what they are doing because they are infatuated with each other.
the fact that you now know they are texting as well as spending all day working together gives them carte Blanche to carry on.
this needs stopping now. You’re his wife and if he is putting her first, I’d boot him out.

thenewduchessoflapland · 15/11/2022 13:51

He's has multiple emotional affairs and here he is having another.

She wants a shoulder to lean on and a man to rely on now that her own has gone;she doesn't care that it's causing issues;he's probably gas lighting her into thinking he's a good husband which he isn't being at the moment.

If doesn't matter if it's not physical he's investing more time and energy into their relationship than yours and devoting more attention to her than you.He's covering up what he's doing and lying right to your face.That's an affair.

Does your DH have self esteem issues or vanity issues that cause him to such an attention whore and crave the rush of another woman's attention?

If he doesn't leave you for this woman he'll eventually leave you for someone else as he seems to not be able to help himself.

Why are you putting up with him?