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What would you do in a relationship like this?

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LittleFishies · 07/11/2022 10:16

I am sorry, this will be long, but I need to get things off my chest and need advice. But there are several things I need to mention abotu my situation and my problem so that it is clear. So pardon me for this essay.

I am in my early 30s, my partner in his early 40s. We have common hobbies and have been together for 5 years, living together for 3.
Lately our relationship has been going downhill. I am sad about it and I keep thinking if I should move on. I would be happy for another person's POV, although I do realize I may have done mistakes I may have not noticed, too.

Several months ago, we had a conversation about starting a family. I've wanted one for years, but didn't want to push him into it, only mentioned it rarely. He'd always postponed. He said he himself doesn't particularly want children, but he'd do it for his partner. That was before we were in a relationship and basically what he said ever since. We kind of agree we may start to try to get pregnant in a few month's time. However, he started to get distant, ignore me at times and get upset over things I didn't know were a trigger and he'd stonewall me for maybe a couple of weeks over a thing I said I found trivial. Problem is, he never tries to talk things out and find a solution. He'd just ignore me, don't talk much until I do something he's allegedly waiting for, or until I adress the issue. This has been wearing me out.
We talked about this later and he agreed it may have been caused by the stress of the possibility of starting a family. He said he likes to be with me, but there are things that bother him in our relationship, although they are minor, but he wasn't sure if he could live with those forever. And having a child would be a forever commitment. His issues with me are that I am not intimate enough. Or not too touchy from my iniciative.
He also likes to talk about sex. Or rather, write about it, as he says he is shy to talk in person, which is something I tried working on, but I am still not so comfortable with. I tried to tell him it is at least more comfortbale for me to talk face to face, but he likes to write, so he uses every chance when we are apart for a weekend or so. And I find it hard. If I write something casual, he may take it wrongly (by overanalyzing, I'd say) and then be upset about it, so I have to explain how it was meant and it really doesn't help the mood. I feel uncomfortable in these conversations, but try my best to not cut them short. When I try to end them, even if after a couple of hours, it rubs him the wrong way, too. So I tend to feel like I am walking on eggshells and like these conversations even less.
Problem is, when we are apart, nearly all written conversations tend to stir this way and I am subconsciously trying to avoid them. So, especially when I am busy, I wouldn't iniciate a convesation all that much. Maybe once a day. We were apart for a week like this, I was working on a project and he was with his friends. We did have thes conversations about twice for a few hours. At the end of the week, he'd tell me what a pity it is we couldn't exchange more messages, he hoped to write to me more. Which made me feel bad, but then again, it was nearly always me who wrote to him first. If one wants to converse, wouldn't one try more actively?
Another of my mistake is that I have never told him that I love him. I do, but I just can't get these words out of my mouth. I don't think I even told my parents, either, and I just have some stupid block. I try to show rather than say, but I have probbaly not been expressive enough. He didn't bring this up and didn't tell me much, either, so I thought he'd come to terms with it, but I later learned it wasn't the case, he was waiting all the time to tell me and was upset because of it. Which I agree is a mistake on my part. I will have to find the courage, althoguh it will be hard for me.

These things that bother him - potential family and therefore commitment, and my lack of intimacy are two reasons why he started a good friendship with a young acquintance of ours. She is in her early twenties, they started talking, and apparently they understand each other very well. She has her boyfriend, too, and he said (when I confronted him about it) that they are just friends. They even spoke about them being attracted, but decided that should their relationship threaten to become something more, they would cut it short, they both want to stay in their relationships. Needless to say, this wasn't very comforting for me. He cancelled plans we had together (and he made), which he never did before, to be with her a couple of times. And he went to visit her in a hospital in another town after her surgery and didn't tell me about it. But I found out. They were conversing a lot and I do believe him that there was nothing physical between them, but I feel like this is kind of emotional cheeting. I was upset that he was obviously trying to keep things from me, which had to have a reason.

I takled to my partner about this relationship of his when it was already unbearable for me. I was mentally prepared to break up with him then and there depending on his answer,
I had a conversation with him where I learned the problems he had in our relationship, we were honest with each toher, I told him my problems - this friend of his, the fact that I would like to have a family and I am not the youngest anymore and also that I would appreciate him taking on some chores. He mows the grass. Picks up something when I ask him and sometimes helps me take out the trash if there's a lot and is a bit too much to carry for me alone. But that's it, I do everything else.
But the biggest thing I wanted was for him to either pick his friend or me. I wouldn't have any self respect if I stayed in a relationship like this when he gave me a reason not to trush him completely. The talk was long and we were both tired, so he didn't give me a straight answer, and I told him we can finish this another time. Since then, he tried to patch things up by being more cuddly and I tried, too. He may have lessened the contact with said person, but he didn't cut her completely.
He asked about sex soon after that, and I told him that first, I would like to hear his decision about his relationship with the friend vs. me. And he kept silent since, for a couple of moths. We weren't intimate in this time, which would normally frustrate him, but apparently, not enough to start the conversation, I guess. He tends to just let trouble be, not confront it. So I will probably have to be the ne to bring it up eventually.

And last week things changed for me. I made a huge mistake, in one day I got cheated of all my savings and got into a rather large debt due to phishing done by a very organized group. My parents freaked out when they found out. My dad said he nearly had a stroke, didn't eat for two days and is very stressed about it. Which makes me probably more stressed than the whole thing and I feel guilty. I don't want to bring any stress to my parents. I was stupid and I shall deal with it myself. My dad has been unable to talk to me personally or over the phone, as he often did before, now he only writes messages, but he's doing all he can to help and offer advice, looking for advice etc.
I am stressed about the situation, I lost my appetite, started saving on everything and I lost weight - 2,5 kg in a week. And I always struggled with losing even 1 kg.
I look for solutions while trying to keep it together, be strong for my parents who took it badly, and not to break down. I believe I can do this, I have a good job, but I could still use some suppport from my partner. He did hug me when I told him and we fell asleep hugging one another, but since then, he doesn't even touch me much. He's been coming late from work - they had a big event, so I understand, but he never asked about how I was doing, what was new, if I had solutions, he didn't offer any advice and doesn't seem interested at all, which I am sad about. So I don't bring it up, only tell him my plans to save money when it comes to our common expenses.
Even the police officer offered more support than my partner did and people from the bank when I was solving this were trying to cheer me up or emphasized that I shouldn't do anything stupid. Which I am not planning, no.
My partner only once asked about how my dad was doing, so I told him, but he never showed any worry about me or interest about my situation. At least not verbally, not checking on me, not helping with chores, not doing any small gestures (at least that I noticed). When I tried to cuddle a few times, or at least touch him when watching a movie, it was mostly not reciprocated. Could he have taken this badly, too? He does at least talk to me normally, though, about other things.
As for finance, we don't have a shared account - well, we do, but only for the living expenses, no savings there, so financially this would not affect him. Well, I did pay a bit more and any extra household expenses were paid by me since I have a better paying job, but some of those he may not have even known about. Or forgot that we had to pay this or that and I took care of it.
And the first weekend after this happened to me, he spent the Saturday with his parents who needed some help, which is fine with me, but he didn't exactly rush home. He stayed a few more hours for dinner there and returned late. And on Sunday, he went out with his guy friend after lunch, returning when I was asleep and I felt lonely. I don't want him to spend all his time with me, I also like my alone time, but I just need to feel like he is there for me at this time.
I am also having my hobbies, coming home late some days regularly, but he has his activities, too, and others we have in common. So I do not expect him to spend all his time with me. I never forbid him or never asked him not to go somewhere (well, except for ending his relationship with aforementioned friend), so it is not like I am controlling, but I naively expected some support at this time. When he was ill or after surgery, I cancelled some of my plans to stay at home with him, I took care of him and of everything.
And now, I don't expect a financial help, but an emotional suppport or an advice or anything to show that he cares and is there for me when I feel down would make me feel better. He's been sharing his stress at work with me, I was asking about it, but it doesn't go the other way, so I am just trying to look like I am fine with everything, but I wonder if he's pulling away. Other than this, he communicates normally. It may be just me being too sensitive at this time.

I feel bad because of my financial situation now, because my parents are stressed about it, too. I wanted a family, but I am not sure if it is even possible in my situation now and with my partner. Now I worry about my relationship, too.
We haven't been physically intimate for a couple of months now, ever since our last conversation. I was hoping he would bring it up, tell me his decision, but he's probably just trying to drag this out until it takes care of itself.
And maybe now with my new trouble, he is even more reluctant to solve this. Should I bring it up? I will probably have to, eventually, anyway. What would you do? If I want him to stop talking to his friend, is it too much for me to ask? He will be meeting her at some activities we all have in common, still, so he won't be able to avoid her completely, but if he says, as he mentioned as a good enough solution for him, that he would talk to her less often, that they would grab a coffee perhaps once a month, would you accept that? I am trying not to be jealous and I never restricted him, but I am upset he lied to me about meeting her before. Meaning he had things to hide and therefore I don't trust him with this relationship with her. He mentioned I am giving him ultimatums - me or her, but is that really an ultimatum? You can't have a relationship with two people, right? Unless they both agree.

If anyone managed to read this, please, let me know your thoughts, experiences, advice, anything. I would appreciate that very much.

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Shoxfordian · 07/11/2022 10:32

He doesn’t sound supportive; he’s emotionally invested in a relationship with another woman; doesn’t seem he wants children and you do. Lots of reasons to break up

ElleBelleLou · 07/11/2022 10:36

Oh OP, this doesn't sound like a supportive relationship at all. It seems one sided and he seems very passive and not involved. I would leave him - you deserve someone who can give you a lot more, never mind just the bare minimum of support and comfort when you are going through a hard time. X

Pollywoddles · 07/11/2022 10:37

This sounds like an awful lot of hard work. Time to start putting yourself first. Even if he’s not physically cheating he’s emotionally cheating and you should not put up with that. Nor should you start a family with this man.

You will be infinitely better off without him and at least will be in a position to meet someone who can give you what you want in life.

mummymeister · 07/11/2022 10:39

You already know he isnt the one for you. you dont communicate in a way thats acceptable to both of you. he has started this friendship with another woman who is really "the next, younger model" for a relationship. meanwhile holding onto you until that happens. you are just the waiting room, not the appointment now. so stop. The clock is ticking if you want children then the sooner the better. find someone who communicates with you as you want to, someone to love and cherish and have a family with. A life with him is going to be one of regret always looking over his shoulder to see who he has in the background. and I will tell you what? ifyou do hold on waiting for him to agree to a child, he will wait until you are in your 40's, dump you and have a family with the new woman straightaway. its a pattern and you read about it on here all the time. dont be that woman, make the break and give yourself the chance of happiness.

LittleFishies · 07/11/2022 13:58

Thank you guys very much for taking your time reading my super long post and for your opinions. Sincerely.
I just need a perspective on this and really have no one to talk about this to. This helps.
I did not want to paint him in bad light. There are always two sides to a coin, and I probably made mistakes I am not aware of, too, but the current situation bothers me and your advices are quite clear.

Another thing is that my parents urge me to have kids for years now. And it is not like I don't want to, but I don't want to blaim my partner, so it is always hard to say anything to it and it kind of hurts. If I just break up now, I am also worried how they would take it. They are very stressed now as well. On the other hand this may be the only way to have a family of my own one day :(

I will have to gather my courage and have a conversation with my partner, get myself ready to make tough decisions and not chicken out. I want to hear his side first, too, but although it never felt like we had any major conflicts, this situation is hard for me.

Thank you again very much.
Still if anyone has anything to say still, I am very happy for any opinion and advice.

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GerbilsForever24 · 07/11/2022 14:05

I am sorry OP but this isn't a good relationship. He's not supportive - emotionally or practically - attempts to coerce you into phone/text sex and can't even manage to maintain a normal non-sex related conversation when you are apart.

You are young enough to get over him and move on with someone with whom you can have a family.

I have very little interest in people who say things like, "I love you but there are a few things about you I don't like and I don't know if I can be with you as a result." Either accept these things, ask for specific changes, or leave. Leaving the threat of leaving dangling is cruel.

FetchezLaVache · 07/11/2022 14:10

Even without the other dealbreakers, such as his friend, you need to leave. This man will never have children with you and he doesn't sound like a good enough match with you for you not to regret it like hell if you choose him over having a family. Don't throw good fertile years after bad.

picklemewalnuts · 07/11/2022 14:21

Oh dear, sweetheart.

I'm so sorry about the scam- that's really upsetting, I hope that you are able to get some compensation somewhere.

Two things leap out at me- you are prioritising everyone else over you. Don't protect your partner from your parents disapproval re children. Don't accept your parents making you feel guilty and worried about them, over things that impact you most.

He's an arse and not worth keeping. He's making you responsible for his sexual gratification. He may like writing about sex, but that doesn't mean you have to read it or respond. He doesn't get to turn all written conversations where he could be supporting you and cementing your relationship into sexchat.

I suspect he's sexting with the younger woman.

Start living your life to please yourself. Your parents can show concern for how you are, without guilting you about how they feel about your difficulties.

Aquamarine1029 · 07/11/2022 14:30

Op, this relationship is so unhealthy and toxic. You should have left him years ago. You've wasted so much time already, just leave. Nothing is ever going to change.

LittleFishies · 07/11/2022 14:34

Thank you very much.

I won't be able to get compensation, unfortunately. The only help I can get now would be for the bank to forgiving some of my debt out of their goodwill, and I am hoping for that, it would help a lot. But it is only up to their good will, really. I have a few ways to try still, I am now waiting for their inicial response.

You are probably right. Reading this written by others is eye-opening, frankly.

I just want to clarify about my parents.They are not trying to make me feel guilty. It is mostly mom telling me how bad my dad took things, being very stressed herself, and me worrying about them. They always try to protect me, even emotionally, and I suspect that is why my dad doesn't want to talk to me straight, he probably couldn't do so with a normal voice, so not to worry me, he is only texting. But he has been helpful with his advices and I still worry about him.

My partner sexting with his friend is a possibility. But since our conversation, he hasn't been really hiding his phone when receiving a message, etc. It does seem to me like their contact is less frequent, but I did see her name come up once. Still I believe it may not be the case, but who knows, it didn't rally cross my mind now.

Thank you for your advice.

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Mirabai · 07/11/2022 14:40

Bottom line is he doesn’t want kids. He’s now using a ‘friendship’ with a younger woman to manipulate you to compliance.

He’s a dysfunctional man. It’s time to move on and find someone to have kids with OP, relationships shouldn’t be this hard.

Angelofthenortheast · 07/11/2022 15:12

I agree with what other pp's said - you are putting everyone's feelings and lives before your own. I bet you've done that you're whole life, but you have to be your number one priority now.

I would be so hurt about the friendship with the younger woman, and the fact that they'd "discussed" being attracted to each other. Why do you even need to know that?

I think it sounds like you've spent a long time in your life looking after yourself, so you can feel comforted that you can always rely on yourself if no one else. Take this thought with you, move on and invest your time in people who consider your feelings as much as you do theirs

Specso · 07/11/2022 15:55

My first thought when I read your post was him saying he doesn’t really want children but he would do it for his partner. To me this basically means he will get you pregnant but will likely check out of the parenting and relationship after the baby comes. He may also hold it against you in disagreements and say ‘well this is what YOU wanted not me’ every time you call him out on not being interested in parenting or any other issues.

Not a good situation for you and would be worse once children are involved.

The friendship he has with the younger woman sounds fishy too and I think you would always struggle with trust. The bottom line is it doesn’t sound like he’s supporting you, showing care or being at all worried about your well-being which are all things the right man would do for you.

AryaStarkWolf · 07/11/2022 16:20

I definitely wouldn't have children with someone who didn't really want them. You're early 30's OP, leave now while you're still young enough to meet a man that does want that too

Watchkeys · 07/11/2022 16:33

Why do other people's perspectives help, OP? Are your own perspectives about your own feelings in your own relationship not enough to enable you to make a decision?

You might want to read about self validation.

PollyAmour · 07/11/2022 16:45

I'm sorry to hear about you getting scammed, that must have been horrible.

As for your partner, it reads as if you are trying to convince yourself he's okay, and because your parents want you to have children, you will stick with this man in order to get pregnant. You are young enough not to have to settle for someone who isn't right for you just because you want a child.

I would advise that you end the relationship, set him free to pursue this other woman if that's what he wants, and find someone you can have an equal partnership with, and create a loving family with.

caroleanboneparte · 07/11/2022 16:59

Don't waste another second with this loser.

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 17:00

We kind of agree we may start to try to get pregnant in a few month's time. However, he started to get distant, ignore me at times and get upset over things I didn't know were a trigger and he'd stonewall me for maybe a couple of weeks over a thing I said I found trivial

I think that he doesn't really want kids, even for his partner. He just doesn't want them.

Part of the reason he's gotten into a relationship with a woman ten yrs younger was probably because of this issue. The vast vast majority of women around his own age (who didn't already have kids, of their own, which he probably wouldn't want either) would have wanted kids, and soon. I suspect he went younger to buy himself time)single could keep putting his partner off having kids. But now he can't really put you off any longer .... So he's sort of agreed, but is acting so poorly.. and so checked out; that one had to suspect he still really doesn't want kids.

I note that he's kind of lining up another younger woman, perhaps so he can start the process again, of delaying having kids.

This tactic has kept him child free til his 40s. Who knows if he'll eventually have them. If he does, it will probably be because he gets with a woman who is not like you (asks, respects his wishes, discusses, tries to get agreement) but a woman who gets pregnant when she wants (presuming he doesn't use condoms or get himself a vasectomy). She'll just spring it in him and how that will go, who knows (he stays and is probably a shit father and partner, or leaves and is a shit father).

I

LemonDrop22 · 07/11/2022 17:11

he'd stonewall me for maybe a couple of weeks

I'm suspecting the stone walling results in no sex that could get you pregnant (?)

We haven't been physically intimate for a couple of months now, ever since our last conversation

Yep. He's avoiding sex now you've "agreed" to try for kids.

Even though he's so sexually motivated he writes to you about it/discusses it a lot.

This is a man who does not want kids.

He either doesn't want them with you or with anybody.

Given that he's only been with you for 3 (?) Yrs and got to nearly 40s without having kids with any other woman; it's fair to say anyone.

As I said, if he does have them, it will be most likely because a wiman didnt bother with discussions, gave him the impression she was using contraception/not trying to conceive and he didn't know/agree.

He won't be honest about this because he wants the sex, company, relationship etc. He got a 10 yrs younger partner do he could keep putting her off, that's not working any more so he's "agreed" bit is sabotaging intimacy and the relationship in general. I also think he's lining up the other younger woman because he knows your relationship may break down now that you're not accepting delaying kids any longer (and he still doesn't really want them).

If he does get into a relationship with her, he's only going to be back in the same position - since so relatively few women don't want kids - but he'd get another few yrs out of it. He might reassesxthen if he's still not wanting them.

You aren't staying with this man unless you a. Are prepared to never gave kids or b. Are prepared to say youve changed your mind, don't care/or at the very least not in the shirt term, and then "accidentally" get pregnant if he doesn't use condoms. Most people would not recommend that. He doesn't actually seem like a good partner in general either.

EndlessMagpies · 07/11/2022 17:17

Think of your life as it is now... and then throw a baby into the mix. I'm sorry to say this, but it would be a terrible idea.

Start thinking about whether you want to spend the rest of your life with this man or not.

Jellybean23 · 07/11/2022 17:36

You are 'settling' for this man instead of finding your Mr Right. This is a depressing prospect for anyone but especially for someone so young. Don't waste any more time on him.

Are you are afraid you won't find the right new man and will end up on your own? It can be daunting to split when you have been in a relationship for five years. This current partner certainly isn't bringing you happiness or providing emotional support, he's looking after his own interests.

Your parents probably do want to see you settled and raising a family but generally , parents' priority is your happiness. Having children with this partner won't bring you that and I'd say there's a good chance you'll end up raising them on your own. Do yourself a huge favour and end it now.

Iflyaway · 07/11/2022 18:46

Another thing is that my parents urge me to have kids for years now

Your parents have no right to dictate your life to you, whether or not you want to have kids.

Is your deep feeling that you don't want to have them which is why you are with a man who doesn't really want them?

Both these things stood out for me reading your posts.

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 07/11/2022 18:58

It strikes me that your dad is a drama king (it's impossible to "nearly" have a stroke) who is an attention seeker when bad things happen to you, and who cannot communicate like an adult, and your boyfriend is also unable to give you support when bad things happen to you and cannot communicate like an adult.

Stop making excuses for your father's lack of emotional availability. Your parents are not "worried", they're narcissists who have trained you to accept shit relationships.

Ditch the boyfriend.

And dear God don't have kids with him, can you imagine if your three year old upsets your boyfriend and, as the responsible adult, he refuses to communicate with the child except through writing that the poor kid can't even read??

LittleFishies · 08/11/2022 07:53

Iflyaway · 07/11/2022 18:46

Another thing is that my parents urge me to have kids for years now

Your parents have no right to dictate your life to you, whether or not you want to have kids.

Is your deep feeling that you don't want to have them which is why you are with a man who doesn't really want them?

Both these things stood out for me reading your posts.

Thank you for your perspective.

It is quite common for parents to ask about when the kids come from a certain age. I hear that from parents of people nearing their 30s all the time.

Thank you for your thoughts. I am partly also worried how life will be with children since I do not know that. I am also worried about how this would go with my currect partner, worried about how he'll be in that new type of relationships, based on things I learned about his opinion on this thing. So maybe I also felt it wasn't the right time yet. But I believe internally I do really want children. As I said it would be a big unknown for me, too, so I suppose it isn't too bad to be a bit nervous about it.

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LittleFishies · 08/11/2022 07:59

Angelofthenortheast · 07/11/2022 15:12

I agree with what other pp's said - you are putting everyone's feelings and lives before your own. I bet you've done that you're whole life, but you have to be your number one priority now.

I would be so hurt about the friendship with the younger woman, and the fact that they'd "discussed" being attracted to each other. Why do you even need to know that?

I think it sounds like you've spent a long time in your life looking after yourself, so you can feel comforted that you can always rely on yourself if no one else. Take this thought with you, move on and invest your time in people who consider your feelings as much as you do theirs

I do not thing I am the type of selfless person you might see me as. But I do not want to hurt people pointlessly.

I am actually very glad he told me that. It means he was being honest with me about their relationship that I asked and I was able to learn its nature. In fact, I think he was trying to tell me this bit to make me calm that they have an agreement something won't really happen between them, so I needn't worry. But to me this reads they are attracted to each other and therefore want to spend time with one another to the point they have to be careful to stay off each other. So I think the more they'd see each other, the more likely it is something will happen. Not reassuring at all to me. But as I said, I think they don't really meet now and probably talk less, too, but they didn't cut the contact completely and I can't know. My partner didn't bring this up since the conversation we had.

Yes, I am not too worried about managing my own life.

Thank you.

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