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Suicidal DH, what would you do?

67 replies

fluffykins90 · 04/11/2022 07:14

Just this really.
My DH has been in quite a depressive state, on and off, for the past 18 months. In truth his mood is always quite low. He has very low self esteem which causes him to lash out at me a lot. This has been the story of our 3 year marriage.

When his depression was at its worst I tried to get him to go to the Dr's. He did eventually and was prescribed an anti depressant that he took for 2 weeks before stopping. He has very recently started counselling which was me again pleading with him to do it. Mostly as he clearly isn't a happy person and because this in turn means he talks to me very nastily sometimes. I said I wasn't happy continuing our relationship unless things changed.

He is thinking of quitting counselling now, 5 weeks in as he doesn't see it will help. He is now in a suicidal state again (he never really tells the GP or anyone how bad he feels) and he asks me questions about what I will do when he is no longer here. He gets into bad moods and when I ask him if he will stay in as him going out, late at night, in his head space worries me, he attacks me. He says I'm not supportive. I honestly try my best but at this point I don't know what to say or do. Last year I also let his parents know what the real situation was as I knew he was lying to them about taking his antidepressants. And he acts like he's totally fine and happy with everyone else.
I felt they should know as I thought it might help. And frankly I felt very isolated and scared it would blindside them if something happened.

My own feelings are that I find suicidal talk very upsetting as I spent my childhood with a mentally ill mother who would threaten suicide. I then went on to have two boyfriends who said they'd kill themselves if I left. My dad also after splitting with his longterm partner had to be talked down from suicide. My DH never revealed he had spent most of his adult life having depressive moods and suicidal idealisation until we were married. He always came across quite steady which was what I liked about him.

I dont think my DH is the same as my exes, but it does feel like he expects me to manage him. We talk and try to figure stuff out but he's very closed off to ideas and frankly I'm not equipped to deal with him. . He won't seek help, he is getting nasty with me telling me to go fuck myself the other night.
I don't want to be around a suicidal person. I grew up and cultivated and healthy life for myself. I've always been very optimistic, happy and easy going. But now I feel like I'm a kid again, stuck worrying about if and when someone I love will come home.

He is fully aware of his mental health, and also my past and its implications in the current situation.. I went to counselling last year and spent a lot of it trying to figure out how to be less triggered by him so I could be more helpful and supportive.

He is very familiar with MH due to his past work yet can't seem to see he is really unwell. Then I wonder (through knowing him) if it is more about attention, an excuse to snap at me and be derogatory and a complete inability to see the good in anything. I know it sounds awful but sometimes I think is he suicidal or just a horrible person (I absolutely don't think this holds true of genuinely suicidal people just to say) . I know it is not everything, but we have a good, very fortunate quality of life. But no matter what happens his glass is empty.

I get its very hard to say as depression can look like this too... But I also don't feel it is okay for him to attack me because he's feeling low.

I guess... What would you do? Has anyone been in this place? Feeling very alone with this right now.

OP posts:
Mariellama · 04/11/2022 10:03

My friend went through this, a husband who was depressed for years and checked out from family life but refused to get help. After years of coping on her own and being solely responsible for the children she finally left him. He's still depressed but manages ok, she is thriving and has a lovely new man.

Yes he sounds controlling rather than someone who is simply suffering from poor MH.

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 04/11/2022 10:13

I'd be fucking right off. Being ill isn't an excuse for being a twat, so I'd be leaving him for my own protection.

notmyrealmoniker · 04/11/2022 10:23

Leave and save yourself. You can't save the world.

Sunshine0110 · 04/11/2022 10:33

Verbal abuse is still not acceptable. The only acceptable level of abuse is NONE.
It’s quite alarming that the mask only slipped once you were married, sorry but that sets alarms bells ringing very loudly to me.
Its like he thinks he’s got you trapped. My ex did the same as soon as that ring went on my finger. As soon as I had a window I escaped. It was a shock to him as he thought he had me locked down.
Put yourself first from now on, you need to as putting up with this behaviour is going to grind you down little by little until you no longer recognise yourself. This is no way to live, take care of yourself OP.

BuryingAcorns · 04/11/2022 11:03

I feel for both of you very deeply. It is a very tough situation for you both.

To him, I would probably say: I love you and I want more than anything else for you to feel well again, because you are a wonderful man and i believe we can have a good life together. But your levels of need are way beyond what I am capable of dealing with. You need professional help and you need to be supported professionally to be in a fit state long enough to allow therapy and drugs to take hold. I can't do this for you.

Two important things ot bear in mind are:
YOU need a lot of support in these conditions. You are very vulnerable as caring for a suicidal person is one of the fastest-draining acts emotionally, physically, mentally. You need breaks from him, knowing he is safely being cared for elsewhere.

Suicidal depression is an intensely physical disease. He may be unable to move, let alone bathe or do basic things around the house. If he is open to this, explain to him that you understand this and that you will help him with some basic physical stuff but only if he is respectful of you when you do. If he is up for it, drive him somewhere pretty and encourage him to take a gentle walk around a trail or path. Run him a bath (remove razors etc from the room) and sit chatting to him while he soaks. Offer to wash his hair. Get him to sit outside int he sunshine as often as possible. Encourage him to practise deep breathing exercises and any form of activity he can manage.

But these are elastoplast over a serious wound. He needs proper medical intervention - probably residential psychiatric care.

Kissingfrogs25 · 04/11/2022 11:21

I think you should leave as well op.
Can you contact his parents or family to take care of him once you have gone?

Kissingfrogs25 · 04/11/2022 11:24

You can't fix or rescue him op, he needs to do this himself with the help of trained professionals and doctors.
Sometimes you have to hit the bottom before you bounce back up. I am sorry to say you are not responsible for him, only for yourself.

You need to feel safe, secure and not to feel abused and blackmailed.
It is not your job to his life support. Go and get your happy life back whilst you still can.

Kissingfrogs25 · 04/11/2022 11:27

I am going to say something controversial now.

Some people simply do not want to get better. They enjoy being the victim. They don't want to be better or be happy. One of my dp has had something similar for 40plus years. Recovery can only start when the person wants to get better. You are flogging a dead horse trying to help, he may not want you to help op.

brd20 · 04/11/2022 12:49

Soontobe60 · 04/11/2022 07:23

My DH suffers from depression - he has never threatened to kill himself if I leave him or been awful to me. You need to separate the illness from the personality. If he has depression, he needs to take the medication prescribed by his GP for a good length of time. Refusing to do so is not a good idea.
He would appear to have a controlling personality and is using the threat of suicide to control you. That’s not ok. You, indeed no one, is responsible for his mental health. It’s up to him. I would give him an ultimatum - either take the medication as prescribed and work on his attitude towards you, or the relationship is over.
You need to put yourself first. Take care x

This is a really helpful reply, and I completely agree.

Just to illustrate, my partner has PTSD, anxiety and depression. He has never once been nasty to me because of any of this, and while I obviously support him any way I can, he takes full responsibility and actively manages his mental health. It also doesn't stop him from being a supportive son and friend.

What others have said about abuse and control is also very useful.

Lastly, I dont think anything you say or do now will get through to him or make anything either better or worse. Healthcare professionals would have told him he needs to take antidepressives for a couple of weeks before feeling any of the benefits and that initial side effects will likely go away. He chose not to listen. And that's just one example of him actively choosing not to get better. Doesnt matter if its the depression that makes him so so, but it does matter because you have no influence here.

FleecyMcFleeceFace · 04/11/2022 12:54

Clymene · 04/11/2022 07:31

I think the person who needs therapy is you. You keep repeating the same patterns and being attracted to people who abuse you in the same way your mother did.

This man is abusive. You need to leave. You cannot fix him or anyone. The only thing any of us can ever do is change the way we react to someone's behaviour. Make that change. Put yourself first. Be your own main character

^^This.

EastLondonObserver · 04/11/2022 13:05

SSRIs take longer than two weeks to kick in. They will lift his mood. He must take them and resume counselling. I would tell him you love him (if that is the case) but his illness is putting your marriage in danger and all that entails. If he won’t do those two things still after a month then reevaluate.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 04/11/2022 13:21

He does seem to have a lot of control over his depression and its effects seem focused on causing you distress.

It doesn't show to other people
It didn't show to you until you were married.
He has chosen not to engage with help... and to ensure that you know this.

He has arranged your lives so that you can't relax and must focus on him at all times... because only you know about this and only you can save him.

This does sound like abuse of you OP. Abusers do often go up a notch once you are committed to them in some way (marriage/having children).

I agree about handling it by being open. Call the police if he threatens to kill himself. Keep telling his parents. Go to your doctor and talk about the strain his threats put you under.

Doing so will bring him outside attention and help. It allows you to pass on (or at least share) the responsibility he wants you to carry.

Apileofballyhoo · 04/11/2022 13:26

Leave and do the freedom programme and therapy yourself.

AnghofioPopeth · 04/11/2022 13:31

Fraaahnces · 04/11/2022 07:25

Leave. Call the police for a welfare check every single time he threatens suicide. He is controlling the narrative (getting away with being a nasty prick) by threatening suicide. You can’t be his adult. Go. Put on your oxygen mask first. Save yourself.

This. He sounds manipulative, and is using your fear (of suicide) to push you down.

He isn't happy, do you can't be.

Leave him. Report his suicidal ideation every time. So that I'd you have kids together, they ate not left with him.

NoodleSoup12 · 04/11/2022 13:37

OP, I’m so sorry about your mum and your exes. I think that’s what’s set up this pattern - you can see there are things to love in between someone being very down. BUT I absolutely believe he’s manipulating you and that you should leave. No good comes of this, and if he truly loved you he wouldn’t threaten you all the time with his death. He’s using the fact that it scares you to
keep you with him, at his service, and guilty for his pain. He’s the only one responsible for this and he’s not going to take any responsibility. Walk away, is my vote.

EmmaDilemma5 · 04/11/2022 14:03

You issued an ultimatum; seek help or I leave.

He's now looking to stop treatment. So I would leave. Whatever the reason is, he's mistreating you and unless he takes steps to improve, it's over.

MyOnlyDays · 04/11/2022 15:19

It's pointless trying to work out if his behaviour is caused by his poor mental health or caused because he is nasty.
It's shocking to read so many posts where people are adamant that he is behaving like this because he is nasty and 'enjoys being a victim' when, for all we know, he simply can't force himself to engage with help. Some people with MH issues literally can't make themselves do certain things.

Once you accept that you have no way of knowing why he is behaving like he is then you can crack on with dealing with how you are going to deal with it.

If I were you I'd go and see a counsellor or MH specialist and talk everything through. You need someone who will give you sensible and constructive advise. Having a professional tell you it's ok to walk away or whatever will carry a lot more weight than Mumsnetters.

I saw a psychiatrist once to ask advice about an old family. I thought it would be useful to speak to someone who could tell me what to look out for etc However the psychiatrist ended up going though how I was thinking about things and how I needed to reframe my approach. She made me really think about what things I had power to change and what things were outside of my control. It was liberating. It cost be £70 which was extremely cheap for a psychiatrist. Worth every single penny.

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