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Suicidal DH, what would you do?

67 replies

fluffykins90 · 04/11/2022 07:14

Just this really.
My DH has been in quite a depressive state, on and off, for the past 18 months. In truth his mood is always quite low. He has very low self esteem which causes him to lash out at me a lot. This has been the story of our 3 year marriage.

When his depression was at its worst I tried to get him to go to the Dr's. He did eventually and was prescribed an anti depressant that he took for 2 weeks before stopping. He has very recently started counselling which was me again pleading with him to do it. Mostly as he clearly isn't a happy person and because this in turn means he talks to me very nastily sometimes. I said I wasn't happy continuing our relationship unless things changed.

He is thinking of quitting counselling now, 5 weeks in as he doesn't see it will help. He is now in a suicidal state again (he never really tells the GP or anyone how bad he feels) and he asks me questions about what I will do when he is no longer here. He gets into bad moods and when I ask him if he will stay in as him going out, late at night, in his head space worries me, he attacks me. He says I'm not supportive. I honestly try my best but at this point I don't know what to say or do. Last year I also let his parents know what the real situation was as I knew he was lying to them about taking his antidepressants. And he acts like he's totally fine and happy with everyone else.
I felt they should know as I thought it might help. And frankly I felt very isolated and scared it would blindside them if something happened.

My own feelings are that I find suicidal talk very upsetting as I spent my childhood with a mentally ill mother who would threaten suicide. I then went on to have two boyfriends who said they'd kill themselves if I left. My dad also after splitting with his longterm partner had to be talked down from suicide. My DH never revealed he had spent most of his adult life having depressive moods and suicidal idealisation until we were married. He always came across quite steady which was what I liked about him.

I dont think my DH is the same as my exes, but it does feel like he expects me to manage him. We talk and try to figure stuff out but he's very closed off to ideas and frankly I'm not equipped to deal with him. . He won't seek help, he is getting nasty with me telling me to go fuck myself the other night.
I don't want to be around a suicidal person. I grew up and cultivated and healthy life for myself. I've always been very optimistic, happy and easy going. But now I feel like I'm a kid again, stuck worrying about if and when someone I love will come home.

He is fully aware of his mental health, and also my past and its implications in the current situation.. I went to counselling last year and spent a lot of it trying to figure out how to be less triggered by him so I could be more helpful and supportive.

He is very familiar with MH due to his past work yet can't seem to see he is really unwell. Then I wonder (through knowing him) if it is more about attention, an excuse to snap at me and be derogatory and a complete inability to see the good in anything. I know it sounds awful but sometimes I think is he suicidal or just a horrible person (I absolutely don't think this holds true of genuinely suicidal people just to say) . I know it is not everything, but we have a good, very fortunate quality of life. But no matter what happens his glass is empty.

I get its very hard to say as depression can look like this too... But I also don't feel it is okay for him to attack me because he's feeling low.

I guess... What would you do? Has anyone been in this place? Feeling very alone with this right now.

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Twizbe · 04/11/2022 08:01

Search Laura Clery and Stephen Hilton on YouTube.

Their story might give you some hope that the best thing to do is to call someone who's job it is to keep him safe and leave.

LizzieSiddal · 04/11/2022 08:03

You’ve given him so much support and he’s shown, time and time gain that he isn’t going to listen, you cannot save him @fluffykins90, you need to save yourself and leave.

AngelinaFibres · 04/11/2022 08:05

KangarooKenny · 04/11/2022 07:17

I’d leave him to save yourself.
He is not taking the help he needs, and that’s his choice. But don’t waste your life letting him drag you down.
Very often, if they are threatening to do something, they won’t. And if he does, that’s his choice too.

This with bells on. You have tried, it is not working. You are not obliged to achieve sainthood. Get out there and live your life.

tickticksnooze · 04/11/2022 08:15

And he acts like he's totally fine and happy with everyone else.

He is abusing you and, like you were told last time, the only answer is for you to leave the relationship.

Hbh17 · 04/11/2022 08:19

Whatever you do, remember that you are not responsible for HIS choices. Get support for yourself - you can contact Samaritans, Shout or other helplines.

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 04/11/2022 08:22
  1. He may be feeling hopeless about treatment and giving up because of his depression but needs to stick with it.
  2. He doesn't lash out at you because of his low self esteem. He lashes out at you because he thinks it is acceptable. Part of his low self esteem may be because he is behaving like a jerk to you.
  3. You have tried to be supportive. You don't know what else to do. That is perfectly reasonable. It is his problem to solve and there are professionals trying to help him do that. It is not your responsibility to solve this for him.
  4. Whether it is depression, personality disorder or something else, you do not owe it to anyone to save them. You need to save yourself and he will suck the life out of you by this behaviour if you let him.
Take care. And leave, as soon as you can.
Wibbly1008 · 04/11/2022 08:23

This is not depression in my opinion, sounds more like something else personality related. He may be stuck in victim mode and if he accepts help he can’t play that role anymore, and this is the role he is using to abuse you.
leave him, you can’t save him, and you will spend your whole life trying.

Razzle5 · 04/11/2022 08:24

Honestly?

I would leave him

thenewduchessoflapland · 04/11/2022 08:24

tickticksnooze · 04/11/2022 08:15

And he acts like he's totally fine and happy with everyone else.

He is abusing you and, like you were told last time, the only answer is for you to leave the relationship.

Which means he's deliberately abusing you;if he can control his temper/not be mean,snappy and verbally abusive to others he can also not be behave like it around you he just choses not to.

Coming onto here you're not going to find a solution to fix him,he doesn't want to be fixed.

What is if that's stopping you from walking away?

MyOnlyDays · 04/11/2022 08:27

What a horrible situation to be in. I'd leave too but I know that will be difficult.

crossstitchingnana · 04/11/2022 08:31

Sounds like he doesn't want to change. You can't change things for him.

quietnightmare · 04/11/2022 08:32

If you won't leave you must practice self care for yourself and explain he needs to also such as

Lavender under pillow
Lavender room spray
New bedding and pjs
Face masks
Have calming music on constantly throughout the house
Have a set bedtime and stick to it
Go to sleep with calming music or white noise on
Eat healthy
Go for a walk or exercise
Write down why you are both great and tell yourselves and eachother everyday
I is it on him taken his medication
Date night / movie night at home once a week
Watch only funny things on tv and do not watch the news
Get a ball and sit down and oas it to eachother and talk only the one holding the ball can speak the other must listen
Try looking at eachother and just laugh for no reason
You need support for yourself speak with your GP and could even speak online forums like this
Have long baths and or showers
Go swwimming
Arrange to do something together once a month that you have never done- like eat oysters, go karting, snorkelling
If you can afford it book a holiday or things in advance to look forwards too- like the theatre etc
If you have a car go for a drive for no reason at all together
Try self help books for you both
Make something together- like exams stockings or pottery
Go the the library and read in silence
A spa day/ massage together

ShandaLear · 04/11/2022 08:32

Leave. You cannot save him, you cannot help him. He is manipulating you. You are not his therapist and being forced into that position has taken a huge toll on your own mental well-being. You ability to support no longer outweighs your own resources to cope with it. Ultimately, you need to do what is best for you, not what is best for him - it’s either have two unhappy people or one unhappy person. You can’t fix him, but you can fix yourself. Choose you.

Sunshine0110 · 04/11/2022 08:43

I suffer from severe depression and I’m horrified at how your H is treating you. When I was at my worst I felt I was such a burden as my poor partner felt so helpless and just wanted to make me better. I had to explain to him that he couldn’t fix me and I just needed time to get better, I was going to therapy and back on meds. Medication takes time to work and not always the first tablets prescribed are suitable. I had 3 different types and then dosage adjustments before I was better.
It’s his responsibility NOT yours, if I had treated my partner the way your H treats you I would fully expect him to walk and never look back. Mental health is no excuse to abuse others, and that is exactly what he is doing to you.
Do not let him emotionally blackmail you. If someone is going to take their own life it is their choice and theirs alone, if he was that determined there’s absolutely nothing you could do to stop him, and would still NOT be your fault.
Please leave him as he is sucking the life out of you. If he’s not prepared to help himself no one else can either. It’s up to him to sort himself out, if he’s not doing the bare minimum by trying medication properly with doctors advice, counselling and actually giving it a chance, you cannot be expected to stay.

DotDotaDash · 04/11/2022 08:48

‘But no matter what happens his glass is empty.’

The above is exhausting without all the suicide talk and nastiness. But those things together he is asking a LOT from you.

There is clearly a lot here that is not in YOUR best interests. I think even in depression there is light and shade usually?

If you/he can’t identify the cause of his behaviour /illness and he won’t accept professional help and advice then you would be reasonable to conclude that the relationship is not sustainable for you without causing you more harm yourself.

BluOcty · 04/11/2022 08:49

My own partner experienced suicidal thoughts but he never ever told me to go fuck myself or any other abusive behaviour. All of us could get a potentially life changing diagnosis and I do think it's important to be there for people- but there have to be limits too, getting help, following basic self care with support, not attacking you. You can end a relationship if it's not working for you.

Upsidedownagain · 04/11/2022 08:55

Clymene · 04/11/2022 07:31

I think the person who needs therapy is you. You keep repeating the same patterns and being attracted to people who abuse you in the same way your mother did.

This man is abusive. You need to leave. You cannot fix him or anyone. The only thing any of us can ever do is change the way we react to someone's behaviour. Make that change. Put yourself first. Be your own main character

This.

Verbena87 · 04/11/2022 08:57

He isn’t responsible for his feelings of depression. They can happen to anyone. He is responsible for choosing to treat you abusively. Get out.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 04/11/2022 08:58

I would leave. He sounds very unpleasant and you staying doesn't seem to be helping him anyway. If you own your own house it may be more complicated, but if you are renting just pack up and go.

junebirthdaygirl · 04/11/2022 09:12

Agree with all the advice above. If you are not ready to leave yet when he says he feels depressed just say..I am sure you will work it out ..and go on with your day. No discussion. No solutions. He knows what to do but is using you as his emotional punchbag. Pass the responsibility back to him.
And very much yes to calling the police if he heads out somewhere threatening suicide. Everytime until he sees it doesn't have that powerful effect on you anymore.
But you are a young woman with your whole life before you. You have done your best. Look after yourself and feel absolutely no guilt.

LaGioconda · 04/11/2022 09:20

junebirthdaygirl · 04/11/2022 09:12

Agree with all the advice above. If you are not ready to leave yet when he says he feels depressed just say..I am sure you will work it out ..and go on with your day. No discussion. No solutions. He knows what to do but is using you as his emotional punchbag. Pass the responsibility back to him.
And very much yes to calling the police if he heads out somewhere threatening suicide. Everytime until he sees it doesn't have that powerful effect on you anymore.
But you are a young woman with your whole life before you. You have done your best. Look after yourself and feel absolutely no guilt.

I second this. Alternatively, you can say you have discussed this endlessly, he knows that you think he should be using the help he has been offered, and you are not going to discuss it any further. And walk away from him and get on with your day.

StopGo · 04/11/2022 09:31

@fluffykins90 you are not his rescuer, there is absolutely nothing you can do. He doesn't want to help himself.

However, you don't have to allow him to abuse you. Work on your own self esteem, seek counselling, consider doing the Freedom programme and work on plans to live your own life well and free from abuse.

KnottyKnitting · 04/11/2022 09:36

I think you need to ask the question- what about me? What am I getting out of this relationship? Just because your DH has mental health issues, why should that always trump your needs and feelings? Why should that give him free reign to abuse someone he is supposed to love? He sounds like a bit of a man child which twinned with MH issues is a recipe for disaster.

Yes there is obviously empathy for someone you have a relationship with and love ( loved?) but he seems reluctant to help himself and after a while that unfortunately means the empathy well starts to dry up. There is only so long you can go on being with and supporting someone who not help themselves. Ultimately he is responsible for his actions and he needs to know that. If nothing is going to change you have no choice but to start thinking about your needs and let him get on with it.

BankseyVest · 04/11/2022 09:37

Depression usually goes hand in hand with extreme selfishness. It's not his fault, it's a mental health issue, but it does mean that you bear the brunt of his selfishness.

The only person who can help your dh is your dh. If he's not willing to help himself by talking and taking his gp's advice or going to counselling then it's not going to improve.

In your shoes I'd make plans to leave. If he threatens suicide then call the police, he needs to realise he needs to help himself and using you as his emotional punch bag

fluffykins90 · 04/11/2022 09:48

I really appreciate all the feedback. I must admit I was a bit surprised as after I posted it I felt like I had been harsh, as suicide is such a sad topic in itself.
I should make it clear when I said he attacks me, it is 'only' verbally. And he himself has never said if you leave me I will kill myself... But I just feel like it's not okay to repeatedly go out into the night and leave your partner wondering if you're alive. To me it feels manipulative anyway.

I am going to talk to him tonight and be as firm as possible. We have had quite a bumpy road and I know its not right. We had also managed to get to a better place more recently. I don't think I'm quite ready to leave yet, but I know I have to draw a line eventually.

I will definitely say if he goes out again in that state that I will phone the police each time.
I really am trying to look after my own wellbeing also. Last night I felt so out of sorts, but a bit better this morning for venting a bit.

I do agree that I seem to keep ending up with men who are excessively troubled.
The gutting thing was with my DH, I was so wary going into the relationship because I realised what I had done before. I kept watching for red flags, but there really weren't any until we were married or some months before. He honestly seemed So steady, level headed and calm it is frankly amazing to recall. I still keep going over it to see what I missed... But I couldn't tell you. He did attend an acting school so I guess it paid off for him.

Luckily we do not have any children, largely as I don't really want them. I'm very grateful I never wavered as he desperately wanted a child. I pointed out beyond my own reasons, he is to me, not stable enough for parenthood. I don't want to raise a child that has to go through what I did. My only saving grace was that I had immensely supportive Grandparents.

I guess it is not for me to diagnose and it really doesn't matter since he doesn't pursue help in a meaningful way so as to get a diagnosis. But I read about BPD sometime ago, just by chance, and it really resonated with me regarding DH.

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