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Do your parents do this?

33 replies

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 12:51

I don’t have a close relationship with my parents. It is extremely superficial and we pass the time for civility. We see each other once a week, which I don’t like, but I put up with to keep the peace.

My mother in particular is a tricky character. We have not any sort of relationship beyond the superficial since I was very young, and she doesn’t know me (or like me much it seems).

Occasionally she will completely blow up, and there’ll be a big show down. This is almost always in order to achieve her own aims, and is usually proceeded by a prolonged ‘needling’ of my father about something I’ve done or haven’t done, which will invariably lead to them tag teaming to gang up on me (but usually results in her crying about something or other).

My father is weak and basically has assigned himself to ‘anything for an easy life’.

Anyway, I’ve noticed that, my father will (for example) ask to hold our baby. But after about 2 mins, tries to give the baby to my mother. Not because he doesn’t want to hold it, but almost as if she refuses to ask me, so he does the asking to ‘get’ the baby for her, and then says ‘here <mother> you have a cuddle with the baby’.

Even more weirdly is that, she usually purposely ignores him the first few times he says it, and then takes the baby (or other child or whatever it is) and holds it for a few mins and then hands it back to me.

He does these weirdly roundabout things in other interactions with the children too. I can only assume in response to complaints at home of whatever perceived lack of interaction there is.

Weirdly however, my mother never (or extremely rarely) initiates any sort of interaction with the children. My father does, and then directs them towards her….

I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this?! And has any insight into why?

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layladomino · 15/10/2022 13:01

Could it be that he's aware she isn't interacting and so he's trying to cajole her in to it? Perhaps he realises it's 'normal' to want to cuddle your grandchild and he's embarrassed she doesn't, or he knows she'll grumble about it later otherwise.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/10/2022 13:04

Life is too short for this bullshit. See them once a month. "Keeping the peace" is not your responsibility.

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 13:06

Maybe, but I really suspect not. He’s almost desperate to pass the baby off as if to placate her or something (so yes probably more your second point!).

I find it equally amusing and annoying. Annoying because he has asked for the baby, but only to give it to her which seems so pathetic. But also like they are trying to fool me or something?!

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Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 13:08

@Aquamarine1029 i would love that. The annoyance of it dominates parts of my week.

I agreed to this stupid arrangement after I got cornered and shouted at while quite heavily pregnant.

I do occasionally say it’s not suitable this week, but it always means that they are just coming the next week and I really don’t look forward to it at all!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/10/2022 13:10

"We see each other once a week, which I don’t like, but I put up with to keep the peace".

Why are you doing this?. Stop putting up with it to supposedly keep the peace!.

Start with making yourself far more unavailable to them in terms of overall contact. If you do want to speak to them stick to phone calls.

Neither of your parents are emotionally safe to be around you let alone your children. Your mother is not interested and or otherwise cold and your dad is forcing your children onto her. If a parent/relative is too difficult/batshit/toxic for YOU to deal with, its the SAME deal for your children too. Protect them from such malign influences. If the other set of grandparents are nice, and importantly are emotionally healthy, then concentrate on them.

Do read Toxic Parents by Susan Forward.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/10/2022 13:13

"I agreed to this stupid arrangement after I got cornered and shouted at while quite heavily pregnant".

This is appalling. Which parent here shouted at you?. Your mother or her willing enabler of a husband?. Women like your mother cannot do relationships and always need an enabler to help them.

"I do occasionally say it’s not suitable this week, but it always means that they are just coming the next week and I really don’t look forward to it at all!"

Stand firm and strengthen your boundaries here. If they turn up at your house you do not have to let them in.

EndlessMagpies · 15/10/2022 13:15

One of the benefits of being an adult is that you don't have to do what mum and dad tell you to do any more.

Make the most of it.

Aquamarine1029 · 15/10/2022 13:15

Op, you really, really, need to work on your boundaries. You allowed yourself to be shouted at. You're an adult and you make the decision whether you see them or not.

SavingsThreads · 15/10/2022 13:16

Good lord, I love my parents and are super close. Still don't see them weekly!

Use that lack of interest as an excuse.

"I know the realities of the children are stressful and busy, you don't seem to enjoy seeing them much and as everything is so hectic, let's change to fortnightly/monthly instead."

orangeisthenewpuce · 15/10/2022 13:18

When the tries to give the baby to your mum, intervene and take the baby from him.

blacksax · 15/10/2022 13:19

Where is your DH/DP in all this, what does he think? Does he support you when you're dealing with your parents?

mondaytosunday · 15/10/2022 13:28

Well no. Sounds bizarre.

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 13:49

Thank you all. Sometimes I don’t know if I’m making myself a bit crazy!

Thank you for the book recommendation, I will get it now.

I do know I need to reinforce boundaries. I lived abroad for quite a long time, so all of this is relatively new to me (in terms of proximity to ‘drop in’).

My DH 100% agrees with me. They do tend to be quite careful in making sure he’s not around before raising any grievances with me, I’ve long noticed this tactic.

They have, however, on occasion, ‘attacked’ (obviously not physically!) him personally, or, gone to see him first to try and get him on ‘their’ side (if I haven’t been around). My DH has firmly told them to stop, but to little avail, when they are on the war path.

Now don’t get me wrong, these instances are rare, but they are highly distressing for me. I have also noticed that they seem to take place when I am particularly vulnerable (once when I had a young baby, once after a miscarriage, and once when pregnant). These are instances where my father had been dispatched to ‘put me in my place’.

I do find things hard as I have long had a reputation (not entirely without cause!) of being ‘difficult’, so I never really know if I’m being horrible or they are or what’s going on!

Anyway, thank you for your thoughts!

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Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 13:52

@AttilaTheMeerkat you mentioned ‘women like <my mother> cannot do relationships’, are you able to explain this to me? I think it would really help me understand dynamics more?

I have looked into narcissistic mothers before and she fits some, but not all.

Thank you

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Pinkittens · 15/10/2022 13:54

Generally speaking and in my own experience it sounds like some power play might going on from what you say, although without knowing people directly it's impossible to judge. It may be she likes to be "presented" with the baby as she is the "important guest". If you don't offer this yourself, then your dad will do it instead - as someone must. She might pretend to be distracted initially so as not to look too keen, and pass the baby on after a short while, again, so she doesn't look too keen.

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 13:57

@Pinkittens yes! That sounds plausible! Like she expects me, as her daughter, so see her importance as the ‘female’ grandmother, and so ‘get’ the baby?

But what I don’t understand, is why would she act coy?! A loving, interested grandmother should surely act excited and keen?!

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Brigante9 · 15/10/2022 14:02

Why do you see them so often? Can you delay further visits by saying you’re really busy the next couple of weeks and you’ll arrange to see them in few weeks? I’d hate to be tied to weekly uncomfortable visits.

altmember · 15/10/2022 14:06

I feel for your father, a long standing victim of domestic abuse.

Hbh17 · 15/10/2022 14:09

Goodness, seeing them once a week is VERY often. Surely, once a quarter would be about right?
If they live locally to you, I sincerely hope that they don't have a key to your house - if they do, change the locks!

Fairislefandango · 15/10/2022 14:11

She just sounds like a highly manipulative, controlling person. If you're not going to cut down on contact, then you need to 'train' her by making it clear when her behaviour is unacceptable and not seeing her for a while after she does this 'on the warpath' nonsense. I'd also calmly call her put on the weird holding the baby thing - 'DM, do just ask if you'd like to hold the baby! No need to get DF to do it for you'

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 14:12

@altmember I don’t disagree with you actually!

@Hbh17 fuck no! Doors also always locked and we have electric gates (the installation of which was regarded as an act of hostility 🤣)

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Musti · 15/10/2022 14:13

She sounds like a narcissist

Pinkittens · 15/10/2022 14:15

Myeyes possibly ego gets in the way? She doesn't want to have to look or feel somehow grateful or subservient. She may well be a very loving grandma, but is conflicted with her own sense of self importance/self/worth which needs feeding first.

Pinkittens · 15/10/2022 14:17

Do you know what her relationship with her own mother was like?

Myeyeballsareonfire · 15/10/2022 14:18

@Pinkittens sadly her own mother died when she was a baby

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