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Am I being bullied?

58 replies

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:18

Sorry this is so long!

For years I’ve volunteered in a local museum, mainly in the shop/cafe. After Covid I was thinking about leaving anyway (long, irrelevant story). Then I got talking to DP through Facebook (known him for years just not well/didn’t know he was single etc), he’s also a volunteer at the museum although his family own an exhibit there so he focuses mainly on that, and he has a small team of volunteers who help him. We started seeing each other and now I’ve moved over to helping him instead of leaving the museum, and I get on really well with the few guys who help him out. Except one.

At first this guy was fine with me, a little sarcastic maybe but I quite liked him and his sense of humour. He hadn’t been helping DP as long as the others but he was the most consistent one (there every weekend- the others have partners, jobs that involve working weekends or hobbies or whatever and sometimes we only see them monthly). He and DP were quite close and when we met were spending every Saturday and Sunday at the museum, often staying until very late/going out for dinner afterwards etc. When I started going along it ended up being just the three of us quite often and I didn’t realise it would be a problem, DP was happy to have a partner who shared his hobby as it’s what he does every weekend and his ex wasn’t interested at all. Also if I didn’t go along at the start of our relationship then we wouldn’t see each other at all as I have DC from a previous relationship so we could only see each other on weekends when they were with my XH.

The friend started being quite nasty about DP (rarely to his face although he is quite rude and sarcastic to DP a lot of the time). He calls him incompetent, says he doesn’t trust him and the others dislike him, DP doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t care about the museum, etc- some of it is plain ridiculous. He’s always been quite rude to me in general, hidden in sarcasm mostly, but recently it’s really getting worse and it’s almost constant. He regularly calls me a fucking idiot, a stupid bitch, he’s called me a useless c*nt and fucking boring. He tells me to move out of his fucking way and last weekend when DP asked me to help him with something he yelled “fetch” when he asked me to pass him a tool (in a really sarcastic way, like he was talking to a dog). I could go on and on. He’s worse when we are alone but does insult me in front of DP too. It’s only ever been verbal until this weekend and when we were alone he held a screwdriver in my face, close to my eyes and just stared at me, I didn’t move and just stared back (I didn’t know what to do!) and eventually he walked away. Then later on he was walking behind me with a trolley and hit the backs of my leg (I have some minor mobility/pain issues so I often don’t move as quickly as I should), I assumed it was an accident and moved slightly to the side, but then he did it again. After a third time he told me to speed up or move out of his fucking way, and I stood aside to let him past. I would’ve moved sooner but it was a narrow path and I couldn’t.

DP thinks that his friend might be jealous he has found someone, or even that maybe his friend has a crush on him (He isn’t gay that we know of though, although I’m aware that doesn’t mean anything!). But after this weekend I’ve started to feel like I’m being bullied, albeit in a low level way. I spoke with DP and he doesn’t think it’s bullying, just the friend’s personality and him “being silly”, he does admit the behaviour is odd though. There’s no way I could report it or anything (we are all volunteers anyway) because DP would be really upset if he lost his help, or if this guy quit because of me. Anyway DP is technically my “manager” so there’s no one to report it to. DP isn’t very good at confrontation or standing up for himself and there’s no way he would be able to address this with his friend. So I guess I’m stuck.

The only real option is to just stop going to the museum. This would be really difficult for me though as it’s been my only hobby for almost a decade, I love it there and I have autism and struggle to make friends or start new things.
It would be a massive loss to my life, especially as I found the museum when I was in a really bad place mentally (I have anxiety and depression) and it’s helped me so much. Almost all of my friends are there. It would also mean barely seeing DP (we live together now but he has other hobbies on weeknights plus spends at least one full day of the weekend at the museum, often both. If I don’t go, I’m not sure when we would spend any time together).

Would you see this as bullying or am I being over sensitive?

What would you do?

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JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:23

Another thing I didn’t think was relevant but now I’ve read it back I think it might be drip feeding not to include it!

About a year ago the friend went on a stag weekend. He started messaging me, which in itself wasn’t weird as he messages a lot and always have since we added each other on Facebook not long after we met, another reason why I can’t work out why he’s so nasty to me as he messages me most days? (He also messages DP constantly, they chat back and forth all day every day, so he’s obviously just a chatter).

Anyway, during these messages he was telling me how drunk he was and then he started asking to see my breasts. He was asking for photos. When I refused, he got quite aggressive- calling me a bitch and a c*nt and a slut. He threatened to tell DP I had sent him photos anyway so said I may as well just send one. Obviously I didn’t, I started ignoring him and told DP. DP thought it was quite funny that his friend was that drunk and that he would regret it the next day. The next night he did the same again! Said he was drunk and asking again, being verbally aggressive, calling me names.

Once he was home, he pretended at first not to remember anything about the weekend. Then he started trying to find out if I had told DP (DP told me not to tell him he knew so I didn’t say anything). Then he got quite nasty saying he couldn’t ever see me again, threatening to tell DP lies about me and that I needed to not come back, etc. I did avoid him for a while, then after a couple of weeks he started messaging me as normal again, I saw him a few times and things seemed fine.

I did consider making a complaint for sexual harassment at the time but DP convinced me not to as he needs his help. He also thought it would be unfair to get him in trouble for something he did when he was drunk (although he did agree it was a bit out of order). None of us have ever mentioned it since.

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WahineToa · 11/10/2022 11:23

Ah yes, it’s bullying abusive nasty behaviour and it’s concerning your DP doesn’t see it that way too. I can only say what I would do, but I’m very outspoken now and had years of shit behaviour from men so I’m a give zero fucks woman now. I would say the next time he said any of these despicable things or dared to ram anything into me: Get the fuck away from me you nasty bastard, speak to me like that again and you’ll fucking regret it you piece of actual shit.
I really would say that. Why are you worrying about what DP thinks when he won’t stand up to a man repeatedly attacking you? It’s not funny at all.

WahineToa · 11/10/2022 11:26

Anyway, during these messages he was telling me how drunk he was and then he started asking to see my breasts. He was asking for photos. When I refused, he got quite aggressive- calling me a bitch and a cnt and a slut. He threatened to tell DP I had sent him photos anyway so said I may as well just send one. Obviously I didn’t, I started ignoring him and told DP. DP thought it was quite funny that his friend was that drunk and that he would regret it the next day. The next night he did the same again! Said he was drunk and asking again, being verbally aggressive, calling me names.*

Are you serious?? This guy is fucked in the head. Your DP is also an arsehole for making you put up with it. You need to complain about the guy. Your DP is a loser too.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:27

I’m not very good at standing up for myself. With most people I can usually deflect with humour, and I let a lot of things go. But this is so constant and often so nasty that I’m struggling with that. I love your suggestion but I think he would just say something even nastier back and I’d have nothing else to say.

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JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:30

WahineToa · 11/10/2022 11:26

Anyway, during these messages he was telling me how drunk he was and then he started asking to see my breasts. He was asking for photos. When I refused, he got quite aggressive- calling me a bitch and a cnt and a slut. He threatened to tell DP I had sent him photos anyway so said I may as well just send one. Obviously I didn’t, I started ignoring him and told DP. DP thought it was quite funny that his friend was that drunk and that he would regret it the next day. The next night he did the same again! Said he was drunk and asking again, being verbally aggressive, calling me names.*

Are you serious?? This guy is fucked in the head. Your DP is also an arsehole for making you put up with it. You need to complain about the guy. Your DP is a loser too.

I think it’s probably a bit late to complain to anyone now (it was the end of last year), although I do still have all of the messages. I’m not even sure who I would complain to though. It’s a very male dominated environment.

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focuspocus · 11/10/2022 11:31

There's absolutely nothing low level about this! I'm sorry but I can't imagine a decent DP being okay with a friend treating you like this. He's truly nasty and the texts are sexual harassment surely?!

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 11:32

There’s no way I could report it or anything (we are all volunteers anyway) because DP would be really upset if he lost his help, or if this guy quit because of me. Anyway DP is technically my “manager” so there’s no one to report it to. DP isn’t very good at confrontation or standing up for himself and there’s no way he would be able to address this with his friend. So I guess I’m stuck.

OP - you are going to get more support & outrage about your treatment from a bunch of strangers on the internet than you are from your boyfriend.
How does that make you feel?
It would make me sad & angry to be so dismissed.

He has NO EXCUSE for ignoring or minimising the bullying this man is perpetrating. He has also NO EXCUSE for "being upset" about losing the help of a man who calls you a cunt, threatens & assualts you. I'm so shocked by that, that I wonder if you have laid it on the line to your boyfriend? Accurately described the abuse & bullying?
Or have you minimised it yourself,m because you are scared to ask for your boyfriend to take your side, & are making a lot of assumptions about how he would respond if he knew the full truth?

He doesn't have to be "good at confrontation". Very few of us are.
But it is part of being an adult. He - or you - need to report this bullying, the verbal harassment, the physical threats, & the assault. It makes no odds that you are volunteers - the museum has a duty of care to you, & this man needs to be told that his behaviour is unacceptable & will not be tolerated.

Do you think you & your boyfriend would be able to tackle that together?
Because if you genuinely believe that he is too feeble to stand up for you - what's the point of being with him?

WahineToa · 11/10/2022 11:33

You complain to the Museum, immediately and they have to follow procedure whether they like it or not. I understand you don’t want to confront, I hate it too but honestly you cannot let people treat you like this. Ever. You must stand up to this right now. It’s seriously messed up your DP has said and done nothing and I wonder why you don’t see that he is not a good guy either. You should not be with a man like that.

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 11:35

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:23

Another thing I didn’t think was relevant but now I’ve read it back I think it might be drip feeding not to include it!

About a year ago the friend went on a stag weekend. He started messaging me, which in itself wasn’t weird as he messages a lot and always have since we added each other on Facebook not long after we met, another reason why I can’t work out why he’s so nasty to me as he messages me most days? (He also messages DP constantly, they chat back and forth all day every day, so he’s obviously just a chatter).

Anyway, during these messages he was telling me how drunk he was and then he started asking to see my breasts. He was asking for photos. When I refused, he got quite aggressive- calling me a bitch and a c*nt and a slut. He threatened to tell DP I had sent him photos anyway so said I may as well just send one. Obviously I didn’t, I started ignoring him and told DP. DP thought it was quite funny that his friend was that drunk and that he would regret it the next day. The next night he did the same again! Said he was drunk and asking again, being verbally aggressive, calling me names.

Once he was home, he pretended at first not to remember anything about the weekend. Then he started trying to find out if I had told DP (DP told me not to tell him he knew so I didn’t say anything). Then he got quite nasty saying he couldn’t ever see me again, threatening to tell DP lies about me and that I needed to not come back, etc. I did avoid him for a while, then after a couple of weeks he started messaging me as normal again, I saw him a few times and things seemed fine.

I did consider making a complaint for sexual harassment at the time but DP convinced me not to as he needs his help. He also thought it would be unfair to get him in trouble for something he did when he was drunk (although he did agree it was a bit out of order). None of us have ever mentioned it since.

OP I am so sorry. The 'friend' is an outright bully, sex pest & head case - & your boyfriend is enabling him. Why are you not more angry with your boyfriend about this? He has basically told you to sweep his sexual harassment of you under the carpet & put up with it so he doesn't lose his "friend".

I think you should ditch him. He's pathetic, & as bad as his 'friend'.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 11/10/2022 11:37

Would you see this as bullying or am I being over sensitive?

I can't believe you needed to ask this, and your boyfriend sounds like a wimp.

Cantthinkofanewnameatm · 11/10/2022 11:40

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:27

I’m not very good at standing up for myself. With most people I can usually deflect with humour, and I let a lot of things go. But this is so constant and often so nasty that I’m struggling with that. I love your suggestion but I think he would just say something even nastier back and I’d have nothing else to say.

This is why he’s picking on you—- bullies don’t go after people who’d turn on them. Your partner should be standing up for you.
Complain to the museum manager. There will be clauses about behaviour on the premises that this man is breaking ( just his language for a start, but he’s physically assaulted you and threatened you with a screwdriver) Tell the museum manager if they do not take steps to stop his behaviour you will go to the police. Have you kept his texts asking for photos etc?
If you don’t take action this won’t stop. If you leave tell puck on the next person.
Also think about your DP. If he won’t stand up for you in this when will he?

viques · 11/10/2022 11:40

Does the museum have a permanent member of staff who deals with volunteers? They must have someone who co ordinates checks on applications etc. my first point of contact would be then, there should be a policy which deals with workers treating other workers with respect, not using abusive language or threatening behaviour.

I would also tackle your partner about this, show him what you have written, and the responses , the behaviours you describe are unacceptable and are not “a bit out of order”they are deliberate, threatening, abusive, mysogynistic and physically violent . If someone you did not know said or did those things he would quite rightly be telling you to contact the police.

Tillow4ever · 11/10/2022 11:42

This is awful OP! You deserve so much better from your boyfriend in terms of support. How on earth can he shrug off his "friends" behaviour like this? If a man doesn't stand up and tell their friends rapey comments etc are not ok, they are as bad as them. What's next? His friend actually hurts you or rapes you and he still tells you not to make a scene? Because he threatened you with a screwdriver that he could easily have hurt you with. You didn't react, so next time does he take it further to get a reaction?

This man is DANGEROUS. If you aren't prepared to report him for yourself, report him to save the next poor woman he targets. One that might not be dating his friend so he doesn't stop himself going quite as far as he wants.

If your boyfriend doesn't step up and support you on this, I'd seriously review the relationship.

I'm so sorry OP, but please don't let them get away with this.

Bonbon21 · 11/10/2022 11:44

The first man who calls me a c.nt will find his balls nailed to the floor.. You dont take this from anybody.
And you boyfriend is a twat.. he doesnt give a cuss about you if he thinks this guys behaviour is at any level acceptable.
Report to museum staff... and believe in yourself.. you deserve much more than this.
X

Ofcourseshecan · 11/10/2022 11:48

when we were alone he held a screwdriver in my face, close to my eyes and just stared at me, I didn’t move and just stared back (I didn’t know what to do!) and eventually he walked away. Then later on he was walking behind me with a trolley and hit the backs of my leg (I have some minor mobility/pain issues so I often don’t move as quickly as I should), I assumed it was an accident and moved slightly to the side, but then he did it again. After a third time he told me to speed up or move out of his fucking way

OP, these are criminal offences! You have to complain to management and make it clear you will inform police if he is allowed to continue.

Plet · 11/10/2022 11:50

Bloody hell, there is NOTHING low level about this. He's sexually harassing you and physically assaulting you. I don't know what the hell your partner's problem is, but don't let his lack of a reaction reassure you that this is ok. He threatened you with a weapon FFS!

I would complain to both the museum and the police. He sounds unhinged and needs to be brought back down to earth with a bump and realise he cannot get away with treating you this way. He's committing serious crimes.

Todaynotalways · 11/10/2022 11:51

I would complain to both the museum and the police. He sounds unhinged and needs to be brought back down to earth with a bump and realise he cannot get away with treating you this way. He's committing serious crimes. absolutely this - this isn't even a matter for HR (or at least not only HR) it's the matter for the police. His behaviour is illegal and extremely concerning.

Yesnoormaybe · 11/10/2022 11:58

This is a criminal offence. Tell your uncaring partner if he does not deal with this criminal you will report this to the Police. This is definitely NOT acceptable behaviour from either of these men. Please OP do it and do it now. Let the last time he harrased you and caused you distress be the last time. Wish you well op you deserve to be safe please make sure you are.

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Plet · 11/10/2022 12:05

Let me put it this way - my teenage son was verbally threatened with stabbing by another pupil at school. I called the police. The next day he was found on school grounds with a pair of scissors in his hands, looking for my son.

At no point were the scissors near my son and no physical assault had occurred.

The police took it very seriously and investigated it as a crime.

What this man has done to you is already more serious than that and everybody around you is underreacting.

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 11/10/2022 12:08

How would you feel if it were one of your children being treated like this at school? No way would you put up with it, so stick up for yourself and report him.

The very least that should happen is that he gets thrown out of the museum.

ffsnotagainandagain · 11/10/2022 12:13

Wow... just wow. He held a screwdriver in your face, hit you with a trolley, called you every name under the sun, sexually harassed you and you need to ask if this is bullying or not? This is beyond bullying. The fact you and your DP are turning a blind eye to it is even more disturbing. Report the prick to the museum and dump your wimp of a DP

SallyWD · 11/10/2022 12:13

You ask if this is bullying on a "low level"?! It's very serious bullying! Nasty, aggressive verbal bullying, threatening you with a screwdriver and physical bullying with the trolley. I've never actually heard of such nasty workplace bullying before. I'd tell HR and the police. This man sounds unhinged and I'd actually be very frightened of him if I were you.

Rogue1001MNer · 11/10/2022 12:27

OP, I'll add my voice to everyone on here.

This is not like level and it's not harmless.
And the screwdriver incident shows he is escalating in his behaviour and actions.
Please don't wait until he actually does you harm.

Do children visit the museum?

Please let your DP know that I and other posters think his reaction is disappointing and pathetic.
If he'd stepped in initially and told this guy his behaviour wasn't acceptable, the guy might have stopped.

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. Especially alone.
Sending Flowers, strength and a hug

Naunet · 11/10/2022 12:27

He’s a misogynistic, bullying nasty piece of work, and your so called partner is an abuse enabling, weak, possibly misogynistic waste of space too. He doesn’t have your back at all, and I’d leave him for that alone.

Block the pathetic little bully, put in an official complaint about him and get mad! How dare anyone think they get to treat you like that? I’m so angry on your behalf.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 12:39

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 11:32

There’s no way I could report it or anything (we are all volunteers anyway) because DP would be really upset if he lost his help, or if this guy quit because of me. Anyway DP is technically my “manager” so there’s no one to report it to. DP isn’t very good at confrontation or standing up for himself and there’s no way he would be able to address this with his friend. So I guess I’m stuck.

OP - you are going to get more support & outrage about your treatment from a bunch of strangers on the internet than you are from your boyfriend.
How does that make you feel?
It would make me sad & angry to be so dismissed.

He has NO EXCUSE for ignoring or minimising the bullying this man is perpetrating. He has also NO EXCUSE for "being upset" about losing the help of a man who calls you a cunt, threatens & assualts you. I'm so shocked by that, that I wonder if you have laid it on the line to your boyfriend? Accurately described the abuse & bullying?
Or have you minimised it yourself,m because you are scared to ask for your boyfriend to take your side, & are making a lot of assumptions about how he would respond if he knew the full truth?

He doesn't have to be "good at confrontation". Very few of us are.
But it is part of being an adult. He - or you - need to report this bullying, the verbal harassment, the physical threats, & the assault. It makes no odds that you are volunteers - the museum has a duty of care to you, & this man needs to be told that his behaviour is unacceptable & will not be tolerated.

Do you think you & your boyfriend would be able to tackle that together?
Because if you genuinely believe that he is too feeble to stand up for you - what's the point of being with him?

I have detailed everything he’s done. I’ve shown DP the texts about sending photos of my breasts. I was quite upset this weekend about him hitting me with the trolley as I almost fell, and I told DP and he suggested maybe I should’ve let the friend walk in front anyway as I know I’m slower than him. I’ve told him about the things he says, and he’s heard some of them. For example, calling me boring was over a meal with all 3 of us there- DP was sat opposite him. The friend said “you’re so fucking boring”, he also heard him yelling “fetch” to me. He’s heard a number of the incidents, and I’ve told him about the things he’s called me and about the screwdriver etc. He’s said he thinks his friend is jealous, he doesn’t know what to do for the best etc. With the sexual harassment he asked me to leave it. I don’t think I’m minimising it to him.

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