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Am I being bullied?

58 replies

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:18

Sorry this is so long!

For years I’ve volunteered in a local museum, mainly in the shop/cafe. After Covid I was thinking about leaving anyway (long, irrelevant story). Then I got talking to DP through Facebook (known him for years just not well/didn’t know he was single etc), he’s also a volunteer at the museum although his family own an exhibit there so he focuses mainly on that, and he has a small team of volunteers who help him. We started seeing each other and now I’ve moved over to helping him instead of leaving the museum, and I get on really well with the few guys who help him out. Except one.

At first this guy was fine with me, a little sarcastic maybe but I quite liked him and his sense of humour. He hadn’t been helping DP as long as the others but he was the most consistent one (there every weekend- the others have partners, jobs that involve working weekends or hobbies or whatever and sometimes we only see them monthly). He and DP were quite close and when we met were spending every Saturday and Sunday at the museum, often staying until very late/going out for dinner afterwards etc. When I started going along it ended up being just the three of us quite often and I didn’t realise it would be a problem, DP was happy to have a partner who shared his hobby as it’s what he does every weekend and his ex wasn’t interested at all. Also if I didn’t go along at the start of our relationship then we wouldn’t see each other at all as I have DC from a previous relationship so we could only see each other on weekends when they were with my XH.

The friend started being quite nasty about DP (rarely to his face although he is quite rude and sarcastic to DP a lot of the time). He calls him incompetent, says he doesn’t trust him and the others dislike him, DP doesn’t work hard enough, doesn’t care about the museum, etc- some of it is plain ridiculous. He’s always been quite rude to me in general, hidden in sarcasm mostly, but recently it’s really getting worse and it’s almost constant. He regularly calls me a fucking idiot, a stupid bitch, he’s called me a useless c*nt and fucking boring. He tells me to move out of his fucking way and last weekend when DP asked me to help him with something he yelled “fetch” when he asked me to pass him a tool (in a really sarcastic way, like he was talking to a dog). I could go on and on. He’s worse when we are alone but does insult me in front of DP too. It’s only ever been verbal until this weekend and when we were alone he held a screwdriver in my face, close to my eyes and just stared at me, I didn’t move and just stared back (I didn’t know what to do!) and eventually he walked away. Then later on he was walking behind me with a trolley and hit the backs of my leg (I have some minor mobility/pain issues so I often don’t move as quickly as I should), I assumed it was an accident and moved slightly to the side, but then he did it again. After a third time he told me to speed up or move out of his fucking way, and I stood aside to let him past. I would’ve moved sooner but it was a narrow path and I couldn’t.

DP thinks that his friend might be jealous he has found someone, or even that maybe his friend has a crush on him (He isn’t gay that we know of though, although I’m aware that doesn’t mean anything!). But after this weekend I’ve started to feel like I’m being bullied, albeit in a low level way. I spoke with DP and he doesn’t think it’s bullying, just the friend’s personality and him “being silly”, he does admit the behaviour is odd though. There’s no way I could report it or anything (we are all volunteers anyway) because DP would be really upset if he lost his help, or if this guy quit because of me. Anyway DP is technically my “manager” so there’s no one to report it to. DP isn’t very good at confrontation or standing up for himself and there’s no way he would be able to address this with his friend. So I guess I’m stuck.

The only real option is to just stop going to the museum. This would be really difficult for me though as it’s been my only hobby for almost a decade, I love it there and I have autism and struggle to make friends or start new things.
It would be a massive loss to my life, especially as I found the museum when I was in a really bad place mentally (I have anxiety and depression) and it’s helped me so much. Almost all of my friends are there. It would also mean barely seeing DP (we live together now but he has other hobbies on weeknights plus spends at least one full day of the weekend at the museum, often both. If I don’t go, I’m not sure when we would spend any time together).

Would you see this as bullying or am I being over sensitive?

What would you do?

OP posts:
JustStop · 11/10/2022 12:44

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 11:35

OP I am so sorry. The 'friend' is an outright bully, sex pest & head case - & your boyfriend is enabling him. Why are you not more angry with your boyfriend about this? He has basically told you to sweep his sexual harassment of you under the carpet & put up with it so he doesn't lose his "friend".

I think you should ditch him. He's pathetic, & as bad as his 'friend'.

I’m worried I’m painting DP badly here. His family own this classic car, DP is the only one who works on it/volunteers at the museum. It’s a lot of work and he’s grateful for his volunteers. Most of us aren’t mechanics or engineers so as much as we are willing, when there’s very technical issues it’s all on DP (who isn’t an engineer either but has learned as he goes, mainly from his dad). But the friend is a mechanic, so sorting a lot of the issues come easily to him. Without him DP would struggle in lots of ways. So if it comes down to me being there, or his friend who is actually useful and can help, unfortunately of course he will choose the friend. I can keep him company, make tea, pass the spanner, but I can’t fix a car engine or diagnose problems. So I think it puts DP in a very awkward position. I get upset with DP when he tells me to leave things alone etc but I also understand it to some degree.

OP posts:
Motnight · 11/10/2022 12:45

The guy has physically assaulted and sexually harassed you. What else does he have to do before your bf thinks that it is out of order?

Motnight · 11/10/2022 12:46

Just read your update. Leave your bf. Report the 'friend'.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 12:47

Cantthinkofanewnameatm · 11/10/2022 11:40

This is why he’s picking on you—- bullies don’t go after people who’d turn on them. Your partner should be standing up for you.
Complain to the museum manager. There will be clauses about behaviour on the premises that this man is breaking ( just his language for a start, but he’s physically assaulted you and threatened you with a screwdriver) Tell the museum manager if they do not take steps to stop his behaviour you will go to the police. Have you kept his texts asking for photos etc?
If you don’t take action this won’t stop. If you leave tell puck on the next person.
Also think about your DP. If he won’t stand up for you in this when will he?

Yes I have all those messages. They are Facebook messages so I want to screenshot them but I’m worried he will be notified (does anyone know if Facebook does this like Snapchat does?).

I’ve considered secretly recording how he speaks to me when we are alone, I know that’s morally a bit shit but it would only be to show DP anyway. And to confirm to me I’m not imagining how bad it is.

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WahineToa · 11/10/2022 12:51

So I think it puts DP in a very awkward position

wtf? Sorry but I am finding your responses hard to understand. Are you being serious? You think its reasonable for your DP to ignore assault, harassment and sexually inappropriate behaviour because the car needs fixing? You seem to have extremely low self esteem if you think in any way your DP is in an awkward position. That’s just crazy. He isn’t. You are. You are a victim of bullying harassment and abuse. There is no excuse for this DP to ignore it, and I am beginning to wonder if the two of them get off on it tbh.

You just report this to the police now.

Sarahemmabrown · 11/10/2022 12:54

Your dp has chosen him over you. You need to deal with this without his support - he has already told you he isn’t going to support you, and would rather you put up with this bullying than get rid of his ‘friend’.

It’s a hobby, not a job. If your dp couldn’t fix the car (why does it need fixing anyway if it’s in a museum?) then the museum should help to find a competent person who can. This horrible man is hardly the only mechanic in the country?

RobertsRadio · 11/10/2022 12:55

I can't believe what I'm reading. Op this is so much worse than you seem to realise. The "friend" hits you with a trolley, holds a screwdriver to your face and constantly verbally abuses you and your DP condones all this behaviour. Also the fact that unless you help your DP out at the museum you never see him because he is busy the rest of the week with other hobbies. Let me guess, he moved in with you?

You need to report everything to the museum with any evidence you have. Then ask your DP to leave your home and finish with him, he is a terrible Partner, he cares nothing for you, he is happy to sacrifice you just so he retains the help from the bully and he makes no time for you, you only spent time with him because you provide free help with his hobby at the weekend. Your relationship is all kinds of wrong and I'm sad that you can't see how you are just being used and abused by both of these men. Get away from them both.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 11/10/2022 12:56

So if it comes down to me being there, or his friend who is actually useful and can help, unfortunately of course he will choose the friend.

OP that is not how decent people make decisions. We do not fail to protect our children, friends, loved ones - or even a complete stranger - because we worry that the abuser/criminal/bully is in some way useful to us.

It really concerns me that you think this is in any way reasonable and I wonder if you have very low self esteem - have you been shown during your life that your needs don't matter and that it's okay for you to be "thrown under the bus" by an enabler, because it suits them better?

A PP said they'd never heard of a worse case of workplace bullying - unfortunately I have, and it ended with a serious sexual assault. In that case the victim also thought one of the men involved was her boyfriend. In fact he and the more overt bully enjoyed tormenting her, it was almost a bonding activity for them, playing a pathetic game of "good cop bad cop". That was 30 years ago and it still makes me feel so angry sick to my stomach when I think about it and I wish I'd been able to persuade her to walk away.

Please walk away from this OP. What your so-called boyfriend is doing is almost worse, because the one person who should absolutely be protecting you is letting you down and making you think you deserve this and just have to put up and shut up. I want to punch the bully in the face but your boyfriend? I want to throw him into a septic tank and watch the little fucker sink.

MondayTuesdayWednesday · 11/10/2022 13:02

This is awful and you shouldn't put up with it a minute longer.

I hate to say this but your boyfriend is a complete idiot. He values the car in the museum more than you and that is an absolutely disgusting way to treat you.

You are worth more than this.

Taylorsversion · 11/10/2022 13:08

If this vile man did something to your DP’s car - he’d get rid of him pretty quickly, I bet.

A ‘DP’ who stands by whilst you are harassed, bullied and assaulted , is not a man you need to be in a relationship with. You deserve better.

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 13:39

So if it comes down to me being there, or his friend who is actually useful and can help, unfortunately of course he will choose the friend.

What was your early life like - to believe that a boyfriend will "of course" choose to stay friends with an abusive misogynist who is hurting & threatening you?

Are you beginning to see, from the unanimous PP responses, how out of order your boyfriend is?

Sausagelove · 11/10/2022 13:48

Get rid of this so called partner immediately. Never go to the museum again. And report everything.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 11/10/2022 13:48

This bully has gone from verbal abuse to sexual harassment to assault and then threatening you with serious injury (your eyesight) with a screwdriver. He is escalating. He keeps pushing the boundary to see what you and your bf will accept. This means he is a real and present danger to you. Please, please report him before you suffer more serious harm. As for your bf, if my DH heard any men belittling me in any way he would be mad as hell with him. Your bf sounds like he is enabling the bully.

SallyWD · 11/10/2022 14:13

Jesus - do you really think you're not worth being treated with any respect? If some man was treating me like this he certainly wouldn't be my DH's friend any more! And vice versa. If someone was rude to my DH just once I'd have nothing to do with them. This man actually sounds dangerous. He keeps pushing it to see how far he can go. I can't believe your partner is making excuses for him!! He can find another volunteer to look after the damn car! There are thousands of enthusiasts out there. You are worth way more than an old car.

2bazookas · 11/10/2022 14:19

He's a bully, and possibly has some mentall illness problem. The screwdriver threat and hurtinh your legs are a serious escalation and you MUST do something to stop this. Tell whoever is in charge at the museum, that you are being sexually verbally yand physically threatened . Staff protection applies just as much to unpaid volunteers.

Your other problem is that your "DP" has allowed his friend to treat you appallingly and his compliance actually encourages the abuse. It stinks to high heaven.

I suspect they have sexual tastes in common and you're the unwitting member of a threesome. They both get off on the sadomasochistic abuse of a woman.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 14:20

viques · 11/10/2022 11:40

Does the museum have a permanent member of staff who deals with volunteers? They must have someone who co ordinates checks on applications etc. my first point of contact would be then, there should be a policy which deals with workers treating other workers with respect, not using abusive language or threatening behaviour.

I would also tackle your partner about this, show him what you have written, and the responses , the behaviours you describe are unacceptable and are not “a bit out of order”they are deliberate, threatening, abusive, mysogynistic and physically violent . If someone you did not know said or did those things he would quite rightly be telling you to contact the police.

They did have a volunteer who coordinated volunteers until recently when they were let go. I assume it’s just handled by HR now, I'm not sure. The museum is 90% volunteers: 10% paid staff.

Thats a good idea, I will show him these reposes later.

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JustStop · 11/10/2022 14:23

Plet · 11/10/2022 12:05

Let me put it this way - my teenage son was verbally threatened with stabbing by another pupil at school. I called the police. The next day he was found on school grounds with a pair of scissors in his hands, looking for my son.

At no point were the scissors near my son and no physical assault had occurred.

The police took it very seriously and investigated it as a crime.

What this man has done to you is already more serious than that and everybody around you is underreacting.

I’m sorry this happened to your son, I’m glad he wasn’t hurt but it sounds like you handled it well.

The thing is here though, I don’t think he ever planned on hurting me with the screwdriver, I think he just wanted a reaction. I’m not sure where that stands as an offence…

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JustStop · 11/10/2022 14:25

Rogue1001MNer · 11/10/2022 12:27

OP, I'll add my voice to everyone on here.

This is not like level and it's not harmless.
And the screwdriver incident shows he is escalating in his behaviour and actions.
Please don't wait until he actually does you harm.

Do children visit the museum?

Please let your DP know that I and other posters think his reaction is disappointing and pathetic.
If he'd stepped in initially and told this guy his behaviour wasn't acceptable, the guy might have stopped.

I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this. Especially alone.
Sending Flowers, strength and a hug

Yes, children visit the museum. He doesn’t interact very much with members of the public but he is around.

Thank you x

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Imissmoominmama · 11/10/2022 14:26

He is abusing you and your boyfriend is condoning the abuse by not speaking out. This is serious shit, OP.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 14:28

WahineToa · 11/10/2022 12:51

So I think it puts DP in a very awkward position

wtf? Sorry but I am finding your responses hard to understand. Are you being serious? You think its reasonable for your DP to ignore assault, harassment and sexually inappropriate behaviour because the car needs fixing? You seem to have extremely low self esteem if you think in any way your DP is in an awkward position. That’s just crazy. He isn’t. You are. You are a victim of bullying harassment and abuse. There is no excuse for this DP to ignore it, and I am beginning to wonder if the two of them get off on it tbh.

You just report this to the police now.

Very low self esteem.
Seriously shit exes (verbal abuse, cheating, controlling etc)

Hearing from other people how wrong it is helps though, thank you. I doubt myself a lot.

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AnaglyptaBandersnatch · 11/10/2022 14:28

He has sexually harassed you, abused you verbally and physically and threatened you and your DP is choosing a car over protecting you. Show your DP this thread then report this piece of shit to the museum and the police. Then ditch your DP. He's shown you where you are in the pecking order. It won't get better.

Always4Brenner · 11/10/2022 14:29

JustStop · 11/10/2022 11:30

I think it’s probably a bit late to complain to anyone now (it was the end of last year), although I do still have all of the messages. I’m not even sure who I would complain to though. It’s a very male dominated environment.

The police for a start you say you have the messages still. This is serious.

JustStop · 11/10/2022 14:30

KettrickenSmiled · 11/10/2022 13:39

So if it comes down to me being there, or his friend who is actually useful and can help, unfortunately of course he will choose the friend.

What was your early life like - to believe that a boyfriend will "of course" choose to stay friends with an abusive misogynist who is hurting & threatening you?

Are you beginning to see, from the unanimous PP responses, how out of order your boyfriend is?

Yes I am. I think I needed to read it from others and I have no one to talk to about it really.

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JanesBond · 11/10/2022 14:31

So your boyfriend cares for this car more than you? That's no way to live!

Ragruggers · 11/10/2022 14:33

Please have faith in yourself.This man is dangerous he could kill you.Do youunderstand how serious this is.He is deranged,mentally ill.This behaviour needs to be stopped now by reporting himor contact the police.Do notbe alone with him ever.Your boyfriend sounds awful why does he accept you being treated like this?ask yourself why you need your boyfriend in your life if he is always doing his hobby.Are you happy with him Stay strong and report him before you are seriously injured.You can do this.