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Selfish daughter

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fedupmother · 06/10/2022 08:54

I would really appreciate some feedback. I will try and be as concise as possible. Long story short, I have a beautiful, intelligent 23 yr old daughter who I love dearly and am very proud of. She is bright and driven and has worked hard to gain a 1st class degree and is about to embark on the next step in a promising career. She had a lovely supportive boyfriend .
In short she is lovely to everyone but me.
Her dad and I divorced when she was 12 and she was a very unhappy teenager.. encouraged by her dad to be difficult. I tried everything, counselling, appealing to her dad for support but in the end it was mutually decided she would live with him as I couldn't cope with the atmosphere and didn't feel it was fair on her younger brother.
I told her I loved her but took a step back and waited for her to grow up a bit. She chose to have no contact with me for several years.
At some point a few years back we reconciled , lots of tears from both sides.. and I felt we'd really got back on track.
I've agreed to financially help support her thro the next step of her career and have worked a solid 6 day week for the last 6 months. Without complaint cos she's worth it.
My upset is I have taken her away on holiday abroad , we are here now and she has barely spoken to me all week, if she does it's one word answers and scathing at that.
Last day today and I have addressed it, asked what's wrong and told her I feel a bit hurt.
Her response is to just haughtily walk away, refuse to talk about it.
I'm so fed up with it.. it's been a long week. I understand we're different generations but this is so hard. My heart breaks .

OP posts:
Gotmynewshoes · 06/10/2022 12:54

fedupmother · 06/10/2022 08:54

I would really appreciate some feedback. I will try and be as concise as possible. Long story short, I have a beautiful, intelligent 23 yr old daughter who I love dearly and am very proud of. She is bright and driven and has worked hard to gain a 1st class degree and is about to embark on the next step in a promising career. She had a lovely supportive boyfriend .
In short she is lovely to everyone but me.
Her dad and I divorced when she was 12 and she was a very unhappy teenager.. encouraged by her dad to be difficult. I tried everything, counselling, appealing to her dad for support but in the end it was mutually decided she would live with him as I couldn't cope with the atmosphere and didn't feel it was fair on her younger brother.
I told her I loved her but took a step back and waited for her to grow up a bit. She chose to have no contact with me for several years.
At some point a few years back we reconciled , lots of tears from both sides.. and I felt we'd really got back on track.
I've agreed to financially help support her thro the next step of her career and have worked a solid 6 day week for the last 6 months. Without complaint cos she's worth it.
My upset is I have taken her away on holiday abroad , we are here now and she has barely spoken to me all week, if she does it's one word answers and scathing at that.
Last day today and I have addressed it, asked what's wrong and told her I feel a bit hurt.
Her response is to just haughtily walk away, refuse to talk about it.
I'm so fed up with it.. it's been a long week. I understand we're different generations but this is so hard. My heart breaks .

How do the conversations go when you talk? What is it you want her to talk about? Do you keep on going over old ground? Do you think she owes you an apology for choosing to live with her dad?

You say you've discussed both of your roles, but in your OP you said you mutually agreed for her to live with her dad. That you took a step back and waited for her to grow up!!! Not very supportive, and I imagine she feels alienated. You say you chose that fir the saje of her brother. One holiday isn't going to fix it. It's possible what it's done is highlighted any abandonment she felt when you "stepped back".

Your entire post is riddled with your victim hood. Is that how you usually go about these talks with her? You're title, as has already been pointed out, is probably indicative of your attitude towards her.

graceinspace999 · 06/10/2022 13:32

She is adult now and late thirties. Yes we did have a good relationship for years. But she found drugs and this altered her so much I had to go ‘grey rock’
I did not do this lightly but after a great deal of information seeking and the assistance of an expert in drug abuse in families.

Coyoacan · 06/10/2022 15:19

I just want to say, with all due respect, the people posting here against the OP, don't seem to have any idea of what it is like to deal with a rebellious teenager. Being a mother does not affect our nature of being mere mortals with our own baggage. I managed to survive my dd's teenage years but I couldn't say what I did right other than loving my child like the OP

angstridden2 · 06/10/2022 16:19

how do you make a 17 year old do anything they don’t want to do....I never managed it so please parenting experts on here share your magic.....

ancientgran · 06/10/2022 16:30

Fattybumbah · 06/10/2022 10:00

I knew the justifications would come .

you were just worn out. everoyine else’s fault. You tried everything possible. poor you always the victim. you just couldn’t cope with her living with you.

you with no power and her - the twelve year old - having. All the power (and responsibility).

she was a young teenager. you did fail as a parent.

this is the result.

Why is it a failure for a child to live with their father? She wanted to live with him and at 12 she had a right to have her feelings considered.

How about looking at what the father did, I accept people can leave a marriage if they are unhappy but using the children, turning a child against the other parent is very very low.

Children don't belong to their mothers although that seems to be a common view on MN, there is nothing automatically wrong about a child living with a father they love.

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/10/2022 16:36

I would hazard that she hasn’t forgiven you and feels she is only getting back what she is owed.

Mischiefofmice · 06/10/2022 18:46

Can I please just make clear that from the age of 12 till she decided she wanted to live with her dad at 17 I was never anything but supportive. I arranged endless counselling for her alone and other sessions for both of us together, that mostly were refused. I tried hard to protect her , she loved her dad and I never wanted her to think badly of him ( it would have been easy to go down that route, as he had an affair and followed the script ) but
I never ever made disparaging remarks about her dad, I was always ' positive mum'. It didn't matter what I did or how I tried I always felt like the enemy.
The reason I stepped back when she was 17 is because the counsellors advised it, to give her space.
She only moved 2 miles away to her dads, she didn't need to change schools and she ALWAYS knew her bedroom here would be waiting for her.
It was seen as the best move at the time and it was what she wanted. It wasn't what I wanted, but it wasn't about me.
I truly did think that we had turned a corner and I had my daughter back , that truth and patience always came through in the end but I don't know now, it just feels so easy for her to be rude and so agonising knowing I just have to accept it or I will lose her again.
I haven't been the perfect mother but god knows I could not have tried any harder, please don't just comment on this thread to tell me what a failure I am. Please just don't.

Mischiefofmice · 06/10/2022 18:59

I'm not sure what she needs to forgive me for. For loving her, for always being there for her, for trying to give stability when her dad left us. It's so hard, she told me the other day that her dad had stated if/ when she gets married if she invites me, he won't go. She has to choose. Why,why, why?
Why put her in that position, surely we can both go and make polite conversation for a few hours for her sake. I know I could easily and I also know that if push came to shove I would stay away because I wouldn't want anything to tarnish her day. But this is what I'm up against, it's all so pointless and unnecessary. It's time to move on.

Fattybumbah · 06/10/2022 19:30

www.issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/summary.html

you might find the section on criticism avoidance in the attached link interesting op

Mischiefofmice · 06/10/2022 20:08

Thank you. I have come across and read this before because you do go through the mindset of ' am I to blame, am I an abusive parent'.
I know you do not think highly of me as your comments can barely contain your spite but I do take offence at this sly dig ....you're determined to be right and justify your accusations at any cost. You need to win this don't you.
Your comments throughout this thread have harmed me, not because they may be not what I want to hear, that's the whole point of asking for advice but because of the meanness behind them.
I'm so wary of you and feel so intimidated I am going to leave this thread now.
Thank you to everyone else for your mixed thoughts and advice, I mean that.

LondonWolf · 06/10/2022 20:16

There's a thread about what a shit hole the Tattle Life forum is running at the moment. The majority on there self righteously agreeing. I look at this thread and see the likes of @Fattybumbah and the completely unnecessary spite they are dishing out to someone who is hurting and I think of how you'd never see posters attacking each like this on there. This is routine behaviour on MN.

Nasty and a bit odd tbh.

been and done it. · 06/10/2022 20:42

Successgirl2022 · 06/10/2022 11:20

I would also invite my friend for some company if I knew she would be like that on holiday with me.

Well she didn't know that did she? Have you read the posts ?

isadoradancing123 · 06/10/2022 21:05

She is 23 now, regardless ok who made which mistakes in the past, take control now, stop pandering to her, stop walking on eggshells around her, stop letting her treat you like this

Darbs76 · 06/10/2022 21:42

@Fattybumbah - do you get a kick out of being plain nasty to people? Clearly you do. Keyboard warrior at its finest.

baileys6904 · 08/10/2022 07:59

@Fattybumbah and you might find the attached link interesting as well sweetie

www.e-therapy.uk/articles/nasty-words

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