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As a somebody who’s parent had an affair…

95 replies

TroublesComing32 · 25/09/2022 17:03

I read a post in here that contained a letter written by a child to their parent who’d had an affair. It was taken down, because it was too outing I think, but it really resonated with me. You could hear the child’s (who is now an adult’s) pain and I just wanted to say if they happen to be reading this, I feel the same. While I don’t want to be victim I think it’s shaped me and the person I am today. It rocked my foundation, left me feeling like I didn’t matter. I struggle to trust anyone and those feelings have never left me and it’s been over 20 years since it all came out. Worse still my parents stayed together so however I feel, we all just play happy families.

I’ve thought about it a lot since I had my own kids, my marriage isn’t always easy but I could never, ever put my husband or kids through that kind of pain. Don’t really know why I’m posting this, I suppose I’m looking for empathy or maybe for somebody to tell me to get over myself, any thoughts anyone?

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W0tnow · 25/09/2022 19:11

SparklingLime · 25/09/2022 17:46

You’ve apparently ended up as someone who is happy to minimise someone else’s pain, @W0tnow. Not a great attribute.

It’s a discussion @SparklingLime . We’re adults. Contribute or not. Up to you.

rumred · 25/09/2022 19:31

My dad was caught with his affair having sex in our house during a family party. I was 13/14. It was horrendous. He then proceeded to leave and return, more so when i left home at 18. My mum drank herself to death at 55. He came back near the end and tried to strangle her at 1 point.

He then married his fancy woman 4 years later. I've had to get over it all to have a relationship with him. I've no siblings.

He died a few years ago and I'm unlikely to get my inheritance as he left it to her. We get on fine but not close.

So i sympathise and obviously have some baggage which I need to unload...

WishingWell5 · 25/09/2022 19:38

I think it shapes you, how can it not- for me, I can never trust anyone, because the truth was even the person closest to me, my mum, could lie to me over and over again. I also discovered the affair- age 14 or so. Which wasn't pleasant because you feel like it's your fault the pain was put 'out there'...
My mum also asked me a lot of cryptic questions, like do you think people change, can you love more than 1 person..? and I feel guilty for my answers which were made without knowing what I was really answering in relation to...
I feel like I'm hyper alert to other peoples emotions and always trying to keep the peace. But that might just be who I always was, I don't know.

Of course parents are people, and everyone makes mistakes. But mistakes have consequences and if you choose to have an affair it will likely have a lasting impact on your children. Just like everything else we do has an impact.

It is what it is. I still love both my parents more than anything (bar my own kids)

Angustiada · 25/09/2022 20:07

My exH had several affairs. I've never told the kids why we really split (7 and 11). We just said we stopped getting along... Do you think they will hate me for lying to them if they ever find out? Should I make sure they never find out? Should I have been honest... Worrying now that I've damaged my kids 😞

AsterixInEngland · 25/09/2022 20:20

SparklingLime · 25/09/2022 17:46

You’ve apparently ended up as someone who is happy to minimise someone else’s pain, @W0tnow. Not a great attribute.

My dad had an affair too and my parents stayed together.
I can’t say it had the effect on me that it had in the OP either….

I also think that if you know you have trust issues and it’s deeply affecting your life, then counselling is a must.. REGARDLESS of the reason for the lack of trust.

I am not sure what is or isn’t making a difference in that sort of case tbh. I remember my parents fighting. I remember been scared shit about them splitting up. But thats about it.

AsterixInEngland · 25/09/2022 20:27

Actually reading some of the answers to that thread, I think everyone possible reason my dad’s affair didn’t affect me in the same way is

  • they never used me as confidente
  • i never knew about the sordid details
  • i wasn’t used to score pints etc….
  • once they decided to stay together, they somehow decided to make it work - I never felt anyone hated anyone

this makes me wonder if the issue isn’t the affair as such but how parents decide to deal with it iyswim

AsterixInEngland · 25/09/2022 20:29

Btw @TroublesComing32 I dont think anyone should tell you to get over yourself. You feel how you feel. And it will have been shaped by many things.

W0tnow · 25/09/2022 20:35

Angustiada · 25/09/2022 20:07

My exH had several affairs. I've never told the kids why we really split (7 and 11). We just said we stopped getting along... Do you think they will hate me for lying to them if they ever find out? Should I make sure they never find out? Should I have been honest... Worrying now that I've damaged my kids 😞

No of course don’t tell them. They’re young children!

Kids grow up. They understand their parents better. That might mean they don’t see them through rose coloured glasses anymore, or it might mean they understand their motivations better. Perhaps a mixture of both. Conversations they didn’t quite understand and things they’ve overheard will fall into place.

They won’t hate you for not telling them that their father had affairs. They’re primary aged children. They don’t need the burden of that information.

Things are rarely black and white. People have affairs. It doesn’t make them the devil incarnate, and it doesn’t make the faithful partner a saint.

@AsterixInEngland completely agree with your last sentence.

Oblomov22 · 25/09/2022 20:36

I am sorry to hear this. You probably need counselling. Everyone knows affairs are wrong and there's no excuse. We all have the choice to leave prior to starting an affair. It's hard to accept that so few people take this option.

TroublesComing32 · 25/09/2022 20:44

Thanks for your responses everyone, I can’t really talk to anyone about this in real life. I think it’s just reading that post the other day that set me off thinking about how valid these feelings are, I guess somebody else saying they feel the same has made me feel a bit less like I’m just being self indulgent and immature about it.

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WGACA · 25/09/2022 20:48

I experienced similar and feel the same as you do.

larkstar · 25/09/2022 21:05

When I was 15 my mum discovered my dad was having an affair - it hadn't been going on that long - months. It brought a horrible atmosphere and tension to house with 3 kids, arguments, crying, fights - I was the eldest. When my mum died in 2007 - me and my 2 sisters cut ties with my dad - we have no respect for him - he was a lousy father, lousy husband, a drunk, couldn't hold a job down, was terribly with money, very self centred...ugh - I have nothing good to say about him. No idea where he lives now or know nothing about his life and I couldn't care less.

chemicalworld · 25/09/2022 21:13

My dad had an affair and left when I was 11 and my brother was 8. My mum was then suicidal, wishes she'd never had us and we were subjected to all of the details. We hated our dad and step mum and then only saw him 2 hours every ither week where we he took us to do things but never actually interacted with us. It really messed me up, and took years of counselling to unravel. I am thankful I did it as I am now able to have relationships, but it has definitely done me damage. I always wanted a family of my own but at 41 now it's not on the cards for me. Its sad, but I am grateful to be in the heads pace I am right now, but my mental health is a constant balancing act.

breya · 25/09/2022 21:15

I think the bigger issue, or was for me personally as a child, is parents who are unable to separate their relationship shit from parenting.

I mean children should be protected from it, they shouldn't be around adult conversation hearing all of the details, they shouldn't be weighed under the emotional baggage of their parents, they shouldn't be used and manipulated to point score against each parent.

I appreciate it's harder with children whom are old enough to understand but again they'll be feeling enough hurt and confusion of their own without having to deal with their parents emotions being heaped on them also.

Bodice · 25/09/2022 21:18

I was 11 when I worked out my dads first affair. When I was home off sick and he was whispering on the phone. That was parent at my school and my mum’s friend. I was friends with their kids. Never saw them much after that. A few years later I found a recording on a dictaphone I was using to revise. It was a conversation my dad was having with the other woman. He was laughing about my mum. There was so much contempt. She must have recorded for proof. His attitude to women has definitely shaped me. He has done so much worse since then. Thankfully they split up now but too many years down the line for my beaten down mum. I don’t speak to him anymore. I realised he thinks women's only worth is their appearance and youth. That has rubbed off on me a bit. I don’t want that rubbing off on my children.

SauvignonGrower · 25/09/2022 21:25

This resonates with me. My Dad's affair, the divorce and mum's subsequent struggles with mental health all crushed my self-confidence leading to an eating disorder.

Couldn't bear to put my own kids through that, regardless of how unhappy my own marriage is.

stickynoter · 25/09/2022 21:53

Angustiada · 25/09/2022 20:07

My exH had several affairs. I've never told the kids why we really split (7 and 11). We just said we stopped getting along... Do you think they will hate me for lying to them if they ever find out? Should I make sure they never find out? Should I have been honest... Worrying now that I've damaged my kids 😞

Hopefully not...I'm in the exact same position. Only stayed quiet about it to protect DC and didn't want it to cloud their relationship with their dad

AlienatedChildGrown · 25/09/2022 22:33

breya · 25/09/2022 21:15

I think the bigger issue, or was for me personally as a child, is parents who are unable to separate their relationship shit from parenting.

I mean children should be protected from it, they shouldn't be around adult conversation hearing all of the details, they shouldn't be weighed under the emotional baggage of their parents, they shouldn't be used and manipulated to point score against each parent.

I appreciate it's harder with children whom are old enough to understand but again they'll be feeling enough hurt and confusion of their own without having to deal with their parents emotions being heaped on them also.

The parents are fallible humans. You add some of the most extreme emotions one or both of them have ever felt and a considerable number of people forget “I’d die for my child” and … push said child/children under a bus. I don’t think they realise they are doing it until it’s done. And the enormity of that realisation is probably what leads to a great deal of re-writing of history. Some things are too big and awful to admit to, so creating an alternative reality is less salt in wound.

My parents were actually much better at putting on a united and business as usual front than your average parent. It turned out the affair had been going on for two years. None of us had any idea that there was even any tension. It very much seemed like it had always been.

It’s just they didn’t know one Sunday afternoon that I hadn’t gone out with my siblings, I was revising for my imminent O levels. My desk was up against the wall where their headboard was. And I overheard something said very quietly.

I barged straight in their room and and demanded to know who “she” was. They’d kept up a dam for two solid years and in a matter of seconds I hacked a fucking great hole in it.

Dam failures are dramatic. Once out, all that control was gone. I think they got swept away in the pent up waters and didn’t realise we were drowning. Nether of them came back. I never met the mum & dad I had, before I broke everything, again. Those people disappeared and two very different people took their places.

I’ve mourned the loss of one of my parents twice. Once when the waters came down, again when he died. I only found out the first time was grief when the second time came with the official title. I’m still on round one with my mum, round 2 isn’t far off.

It sits easier now. I was seeing them as their child, not seeing them as people. They hurt us very badly. Again and again and again. But I don’t think when they did it either of them were in their right mind. And once they’d both had time to adjust and paddle in calmer waters they couldn’t cope with the idea of more turbulence, so acknowledgment had to be substituted with memories that did not match what actually happened. I think I understand them better now than either of them understood themselves at that time and all the years that remained.

It’s one of those sliding doors moments. If I hadn’t stayed in to revise and reacted without taking a breath to think, there’s a reasonable possibility that they would have maintained self-control, the affair would have passed, and over time the marriage would have gained a second wind. They weren’t bad people. They were really good parents until I smashed the temporary facade so suddenly that they didn’t have time to catch their breath, let alone do any rapid repairs.

WonderingWanda · 25/09/2022 22:34

One of my parents had an affair whilst trapped in toxic and very difficult marriage. I understand why it happened, and even understand that difficult events in their early life led to them entering into that totally unsuitable marriage. I know that life was better once the marriage was over but I still think it was weak and cowardly to do it. As an adult I am inwardly very judgemental of people who have affairs. I have always felt very strongly that if I was that unhappy in a relationship then I would end it, I would never have a affair. And if I was happy in a relationship then I would have the self restraint not to cheat on the person I was with. I have known a couple of friends who had affairs and although I haven't said it to their faces, I respect them less and over time have distanced myself from them. In both cases their relationship was not what they wanted and their other half was oblivious. They didn't tell their other halves and give them a chance to work on the marriage, the just moved on. I think that's incredibly selfish, especially when there are children involved.

TroublesComing32 · 25/09/2022 22:50

@WonderingWanda yes, I feel the same, I generally I am happy to live and let live but I find it difficult when people have affairs to be honest, especially when there are kids involved. I’ve not had anything to say of course but I’ve also distanced myself, in one case from quite a close friend.

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BadNomad · 26/09/2022 03:56

I really think a lot of it is how it is handled by the adults afterwards. My dad had an affair, but my most prominent and most damaging memories are of my mother falling apart after, then the years and years of her bitterness and hatred that followed. Our relationship was never the same because my mother made me it clear that any love I had for my father was me being disloyal towards her. So I hated him for it, for her.

Of course, not every affair and recovery or separation is that toxic, but I really do believe people need to be careful with how much of it they expose their children to because children just don't have the maturity to process these adult events in a healthy way.

EIIa · 26/09/2022 04:03

My dad was a big fucking philanderer who caused us loads of heartbreak and then my sister did the exact same thing - destroyed somebody’s marriage to Get Her Guy.

🤷‍♀️

PinkPupZ · 26/09/2022 05:36

BadNomad · 26/09/2022 03:56

I really think a lot of it is how it is handled by the adults afterwards. My dad had an affair, but my most prominent and most damaging memories are of my mother falling apart after, then the years and years of her bitterness and hatred that followed. Our relationship was never the same because my mother made me it clear that any love I had for my father was me being disloyal towards her. So I hated him for it, for her.

Of course, not every affair and recovery or separation is that toxic, but I really do believe people need to be careful with how much of it they expose their children to because children just don't have the maturity to process these adult events in a healthy way.

But your mum couldn't help being devastated by what happened. Surely it was your dad's fault for inflicting this on the family? Almost all of the women I know know in this situation are still 'bitter' decades on. Those that aren't are generally the ones where the man eventually made efforts with the kids etc and were reasonable with money etc, not rubbing OW in the face. Destroying someone's life in such a way often has lifelong consequences. It shouldn't be down the the victim to pretend all is well to let someone off the hook.

Endlessdays · 26/09/2022 06:57

It does affect you of course, but I think it’s how things are handled afterwards that can make a difference to how we deal with it.
My parents divorced after my dad had an affair. I was a teenager. As you say it’s the feeling of your whole safe world crumbling apart.

I think if they had just got divorced because they had grown apart I could have coped with it better, I had friends whose parents were divorced, it wasn’t something unusual. However for me what damaged me most was feeling like my Dad had ‘replaced’ our family with a new one - he stayed in the family home and his new family moved in. Me, my mum and siblings moved out. I hated going for the fortnightly visits to my childhood home with all its memories feeling as a ‘visitor’, and I always felt a spare part in their family. It definitely knocked my confidence, I am always doubting myself, I never feel good enough.

Of course it damaged my relationship with my Dad even though he pretended like all was fine. His new marriage eventually ended and he died a lonely unhappy old man.

I wish my mum had stood up for us more, or asked me how I felt about staying with my dad, but we were just expected to get on with it. I guess she was just focused on coping and getting us back on our feet.

However, despite this, i’ve managed to build a happy marriage as have my siblings. I moved away from home which helped. I try to remember that I am not my parents, that I am a different person. A good friend once said to me - ‘you are are who you are despite your parents, not because of them’. I try to remember that we can all change. I work hard at my marriage. But it’s not easy. I would love to be more confident and outgoing, but I doubt that will ever happen.

AlienatedChildGrown · 26/09/2022 07:08

@PinkPupZ

From the child’s perspective that is the double whammy of it.

You see the betrayed parent break. And perhaps they don’t come back from that.
And the betraying parent did that.

Which leaves you with zero parents you can rely on to take care of you. At least for a time. Perhaps from then on.

And sometimes in their profound pain the betrayed parent can use their children as a prop, a crutch, a whipping boy, a bullet they load in a metaphorical gun to shoot between the eyes of the one who betrayed them.

This can last for weeks. Months. Years. A lifetime.

Is their fault they were betrayed. No.
Is it human to break under intense pain, chaotic change & heartbreak. Yes
Does their victimhood mean their children become impervious to all that is done around them, or to them. No

Life is not fair. A parent can be hurt beyond all measure and be entirely blameless, do their absolute best and still entirely accidentally participate in the radical and permanent scarring of their children.