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What do you think of this friend?

45 replies

chaiteaforme · 21/09/2022 12:13

I would like some opinions on a friend that I have known for about 24 years please. Sorry but this will be long. For a long time I have thought that she is no friend to me and just stuck my head in the sand but now I've just had enough. I wonder if my feelings are justified.

About 18 years ago I lived in a houseshare with 3 others when she moved to the same city and asked if she could stay until she found a houseshare. She stayed for 5 weeks on a mattress in my room, and in our Antipodean community this is called dossing and you pay £5/night to do this. She constantly went on about having no money, she hadn't been paid from the agency for her last job, she might have to borrow from her siblings or return to our home country. She went on so much that my flatmates said to just make it £120 for the 5 weeks.
She left without paying us, said she would be in touch when she had money.
Two weeks went by and I didn't hear from her so I text her and she met me the next day with the money (I'd only been in the flatshare for 3 months and was embarrassed). Never heard from her again for a few months. Also while she was staying she went out with other friends for meals/drinks constantly but never invited me (I wondered where the £ was coming from), had very long showers (gas meter), never cleaned/tidied up after herself, and one night came in at 2am and turned the bedroom light on, turned my PC on, and began updating her CV. I was too shocked to say anything after being woken up.

Then a few months later she came to stay the night before an early morning flight, and she emptied her bag on the floor and cleared out all the rubbish (she's very disorganised) and left it in a pile. She left early AM. I later went to put it all in the bin and came across a bank statement and noticed that it was for the period starting about a month before she stayed with us. She had been paid by the agency a week before she stayed, and overall had £10 short of £5k in the account. No other new large payments had gone in so she had had money well before before she stayed. She also told me that the new job was a temp job as a Receptionist, however I just found out a year ago that this was actually a permanent research role paying £38k (I saw the offer letter when she showed me her CV folder), same company though.

Another time she was supposed to get to mine for about 6.30pm and we would be going out for dinner/cinema/she staying over, so she text to say she was on the bus (lived just over an hour away). From then until 1.30am I kept getting texts saying she was stuck in traffic, it must be a car accident etc. She finally rang at 1.30am to say she wasn't coming, sounded a bit drunk and appeared to be in a bar or at a party.

Been on holiday/long weekends with her 5 times and never again. She was miserable to be with, and actually apologised after two of the trips. She has been on/off anti-depressants for years. I briefly tried AD but it caused a severe side-effect within a week and so I had to change to counselling and she couldn't have cared less; I've always supported her with listening etc.

She has let me down countless times when going out, turned up at least 1-3 hours late with no apology, sometimes a no-show. Or texts an hour after we were meeting to say she's not coming now. I don't hear from her for ages and then I get a flurry of texts saying she's so stressed/anxious but she's been working really hard on herself, reading self-help books, and feeling more positive etc. It's like a cycle of behaviour – don't hear for months (my texts mostly go unanswered), then its the angsty text from her, promises to meet up which usually fall through, and then only actually see each other 1-3 times a year.

I had spinal surgery and was off work for weeks and she only contacted me 3 weeks later to say “How did it go? Sorry I've been busy.” Even then never came to see me or ask if I needed help. I had no family to help but had some wonderful friends and flatmates who helped me.

For my 40th she turned up an hour late for my birthday lunch (pre-booked) and handed me a card and a book called “How To Be Happy," neither of them wrapped up. There was a silence and a bit of WTAF looks around the table.

She booked train tickets for a weekend away and got the return journey day wrong and the ticket inspector fined us £220 on the spot. She refused to pay so I had to. I had not seen the tickets as she held onto them otherwise I may have noticed and seen if we could get them changed. I was only earning £22k then and this was a big hit to my monthly outgoings.

She came to my wedding and was the only person to not give us a card (she gave it to me 7 months later and said 'oops I forgot to give you this').

Fast forward to today and she's going through a nasty custody battle as she knowingly had a baby with an abusive man (she admits this) as she felt her bodyclock was running out. She stayed with me (and DH & DC) for 2 weeks and when she left him was understandably emotional, but I felt like she treated us like a hotel. She left baby vomit on the laminate bedroom floor for 3 days, changed poo nappies directly onto the carpet and it got smeared and then her efforts to clean it up were poor, kept going off and meeting other friends, didn't even buy us a carton of milk, long showers again, left a trail of mess throughout the house etc.

When she left DH said he was about to say that she needed to go as both he and DC were getting stressed (she is quite wealthy through inheritance, parents and a high-paying job £80k so could afford a hotel). I really feel for her as I've seen and heard the horrendous messages he's sent/left her. I'd support any friend through this but I have been wanting out of this friendship for a long time and I feel guilty. She just veers from one drama to the next and this is the latest in a long line.

I feel like writing her a letter and saying for the above reasons – the lies and deceit over money, being constantly let down/late when meeting, only getting in contact when she wants a listening ear but doesn't do the same for me etc – is just not a friendship for me. She doesn't know that I know about the bank statement or that the temp job was actually a permanent role paying £38k (the letter was at the back of the CV folder).
If you talk about things that happened years ago she can never remember anything at all so I think she would deny all of this. I sometimes think there is something wrong with her.

I'm not the most confident of people and have never had a large group of friends and I guess I have just hung onto this friend for no good reason. A mutual former colleague in our home country said 20 years ago that 'she hasn't been brought up right.' I just feel she has little moral compass. Am I wrong to feel aggrieved and want to walk away?
Sorry this was long, and thank you if you got this far.

OP posts:
Teenyliving · 21/09/2022 12:18

shes awful. Walk away and don’t look back

Shoxfordian · 21/09/2022 12:18

You’re a mug and she’s not much of a friend, she’s continually taking advantage of your good nature with no repercussions - you don’t want people like this in your life

forrestgreen · 21/09/2022 12:27

I didn't finish that, I'd have cut her off after she refuses to pay my roommates

Bestcatmum · 21/09/2022 12:38

Quite honestly not being mean but it's your own fault for allowing yourself to be treated like a shmuck.
And then you carried on letting her treat you like a shmuck.
I would have severed the "friendship" the first time round not carried on with it for years.
You let people do this and they will treat you like an idiot for as long as they can.

Motnight · 21/09/2022 12:42

Op this person has treated you badly for at least 18 of the 24 years that you have known each other. The headspace that you must have given this! You need to let her go as a friend.

Anywhereelse · 21/09/2022 12:57

Good grief, get rid of her! She’s no friend - she’s a deceitful liar and a user.

I don’t know if I’d just slowly phase her out or send her an email telling her how you feel and why.

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 21/09/2022 12:58

She's not your friend nor has she been your friend for at least 18 years.

Always4Brenner · 21/09/2022 13:00

Run she’d have been binned after first house share.

GoneWithTheWine1 · 21/09/2022 13:05

Don't write her a letter. Just block her number and avoid like the plague.

Why an earth did you keep letting her back after her showing her true colours the very first time? She's not your friend.

Justmeandme19 · 21/09/2022 13:05

She's a taker! and knows you're beyond loyal.
The friendship isn't 2 ways. Let her go, or she will take you down with her.
Out of interest what do your other friends think of her?

OldEvilOwl · 21/09/2022 13:06

Don't bother with a letter. just ignore her messages and don't let her come and stay with you again. She's a user

GoldPig · 21/09/2022 13:09

No letter. No more headspace at all. If you have to say anything at all before blocking and moving on, just “this friendship has been one sided for too long”

zen1 · 21/09/2022 13:13

As the saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”
I don’t understand why you’ve let it go on this long. Just resolve not to have anything to do with her again.

Bluebellberry · 21/09/2022 13:15

Just reading this was draining, she’s an emotional vampire.
You already have given her enough of your support, I’m sorry she put you through this.

Irridescantshimmmer · 21/09/2022 13:16

Drop her like a lead balloon, she's using you.

HilarityEnsues · 21/09/2022 13:18

Don't write to her about grudges from all those years ago. You have to bear some responsibility for continuing the friendship all those times she let you down- and then you carried on holidaying, inviting her to the wedding, letting her stay with a little baby for two weeks and so on. She thinks you re fine with this as you gave that impression.

Just fade her out, she's busy with a baby now and my guess is if you don't make the effort to text her or meet up, it'll quickly evaporate. If she gets in touch with you say you are stressed and busy right now and you'll be in touch when things improve (which will be never).

She doesn't sound nice but I think writing down a catalogue of faults and gripes when you continued to be nice to her face and be her friend is not a nice thing to do. Just let it go now.

Dacquoise · 21/09/2022 13:22

For the sake of your self esteem you need to let this person go. I'm not sure writing her a letter, although your resentment is full justified, will achieve much. Someone this narcissistic and exploitative will not self reflect. You will have a lot of grieving to do for this relationship including feelings if humiliation and shame for allowing this person to treat you so badly.

And that's the crux of this. You have effectively abandoned yourself for a very long time by tolerating such appalling behaviour and I suspect people pleasing is at the root of this. I say that as someone who has been the doormat for many many people in my life. It comes from a maladaptive response to childhood trauma. We're your feelings respected as a child? Do you feel like you have to earn love and respect from others!

The most valuable thing you can do here is to get some therapy to explore how you got here and to work on your self esteem. Also some reading on fawning - Pete Walker has a very good book on CPTSD and fawning. Assertiveness and boundaries are your friend here. This is a very common problem and you are not alone 💐

What do I think of your friend?

She's a selfish, CF, nightmare and I feel sorry for her as this is unlikely to change and she must be a very unhappy individual at the core of this. BUT not your circus, not your monkeys. Steer well clear!

Snog · 21/09/2022 13:22

The letter is not a good idea.
You won't get any meaningful apology.
Try not to look back, just move forward with your life without her.
If she asks to meet up just say sorry you have too much on at the moment. Repeat this and if challenged just say you feel like you have outgrown the relationship.

Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2022 13:28

No point in writing to her, what do you think will happen?
”oh no, you are so right I’m an ungrateful using cow but will have a personality transplant from this day onwards” Highly unlikely.
Just ditch her, she brings nothing into your life

CrotchetyQuaver · 21/09/2022 13:28

Just stop contacting her and don't answer when she contacts you. She sounds like one of Life's takers. Your life will be better without her in it

charmingthebirds · 21/09/2022 13:29

I think many women come to turning points in their lives simply by asking themselves 'do I really deserve this?' and the answer comes back as 'no, actually - I don't.'

If you feel you deserve a friend like this after all you've done for her, you may perhaps need help to understand why you feel that way.

If you feel you deserve better - treat yourself better and cut all ties with her. You could always do what I did, ending a long, long 'friendship' by saying 'As far as I'm concerned, this friendship has now run its course, but I wish you well for the future. Goodbye.'

Smineusername · 21/09/2022 13:32

You're nuts

Imagine deliberately pursuing a close relationship with someone you do not like, respect or trust solely so that you can derive satisfaction from inwardly judging her for 20+ years!

And not you want a dramatic exit with a big reveal - I was onto your shit all along! I never liked you!

You are both completely loopy. No sympathy.

Malariahilaria · 21/09/2022 13:35

It sounds like you want closure and to ensure it ends cleanly? Just message her and say you've been doing some deep thinking and decided to only engage with people that bring joy to you and alas she does not, good luck in life and good bye. Then block and get on with life I say.

Opaljewel · 21/09/2022 13:55

You know op the first thing I want to say to you is where are your boundaries? It's taken you 18 years to have enough? I'd have had enough after those first few weeks.

I couldn't even read through of all of that without thinking she saw you coming.

Imogensmumma · 21/09/2022 13:59

I don’t think there is much you can do about the holidays and the roommate situations as they are too far in the past. However, I’d be asking her to pay for the carpets cleaned ( if it was me I would have been horrified and offered to have them cleaned) if she doesn’t pay or ghosts you, you know she is not a true friend…

Although I wouldn’t have let her stay until she paid me back the train ticket as a previous poster has said you keep allowing her to misbehave so you need to set some boundaries