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What do you think of this friend?

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chaiteaforme · 21/09/2022 12:13

I would like some opinions on a friend that I have known for about 24 years please. Sorry but this will be long. For a long time I have thought that she is no friend to me and just stuck my head in the sand but now I've just had enough. I wonder if my feelings are justified.

About 18 years ago I lived in a houseshare with 3 others when she moved to the same city and asked if she could stay until she found a houseshare. She stayed for 5 weeks on a mattress in my room, and in our Antipodean community this is called dossing and you pay £5/night to do this. She constantly went on about having no money, she hadn't been paid from the agency for her last job, she might have to borrow from her siblings or return to our home country. She went on so much that my flatmates said to just make it £120 for the 5 weeks.
She left without paying us, said she would be in touch when she had money.
Two weeks went by and I didn't hear from her so I text her and she met me the next day with the money (I'd only been in the flatshare for 3 months and was embarrassed). Never heard from her again for a few months. Also while she was staying she went out with other friends for meals/drinks constantly but never invited me (I wondered where the £ was coming from), had very long showers (gas meter), never cleaned/tidied up after herself, and one night came in at 2am and turned the bedroom light on, turned my PC on, and began updating her CV. I was too shocked to say anything after being woken up.

Then a few months later she came to stay the night before an early morning flight, and she emptied her bag on the floor and cleared out all the rubbish (she's very disorganised) and left it in a pile. She left early AM. I later went to put it all in the bin and came across a bank statement and noticed that it was for the period starting about a month before she stayed with us. She had been paid by the agency a week before she stayed, and overall had £10 short of £5k in the account. No other new large payments had gone in so she had had money well before before she stayed. She also told me that the new job was a temp job as a Receptionist, however I just found out a year ago that this was actually a permanent research role paying £38k (I saw the offer letter when she showed me her CV folder), same company though.

Another time she was supposed to get to mine for about 6.30pm and we would be going out for dinner/cinema/she staying over, so she text to say she was on the bus (lived just over an hour away). From then until 1.30am I kept getting texts saying she was stuck in traffic, it must be a car accident etc. She finally rang at 1.30am to say she wasn't coming, sounded a bit drunk and appeared to be in a bar or at a party.

Been on holiday/long weekends with her 5 times and never again. She was miserable to be with, and actually apologised after two of the trips. She has been on/off anti-depressants for years. I briefly tried AD but it caused a severe side-effect within a week and so I had to change to counselling and she couldn't have cared less; I've always supported her with listening etc.

She has let me down countless times when going out, turned up at least 1-3 hours late with no apology, sometimes a no-show. Or texts an hour after we were meeting to say she's not coming now. I don't hear from her for ages and then I get a flurry of texts saying she's so stressed/anxious but she's been working really hard on herself, reading self-help books, and feeling more positive etc. It's like a cycle of behaviour – don't hear for months (my texts mostly go unanswered), then its the angsty text from her, promises to meet up which usually fall through, and then only actually see each other 1-3 times a year.

I had spinal surgery and was off work for weeks and she only contacted me 3 weeks later to say “How did it go? Sorry I've been busy.” Even then never came to see me or ask if I needed help. I had no family to help but had some wonderful friends and flatmates who helped me.

For my 40th she turned up an hour late for my birthday lunch (pre-booked) and handed me a card and a book called “How To Be Happy," neither of them wrapped up. There was a silence and a bit of WTAF looks around the table.

She booked train tickets for a weekend away and got the return journey day wrong and the ticket inspector fined us £220 on the spot. She refused to pay so I had to. I had not seen the tickets as she held onto them otherwise I may have noticed and seen if we could get them changed. I was only earning £22k then and this was a big hit to my monthly outgoings.

She came to my wedding and was the only person to not give us a card (she gave it to me 7 months later and said 'oops I forgot to give you this').

Fast forward to today and she's going through a nasty custody battle as she knowingly had a baby with an abusive man (she admits this) as she felt her bodyclock was running out. She stayed with me (and DH & DC) for 2 weeks and when she left him was understandably emotional, but I felt like she treated us like a hotel. She left baby vomit on the laminate bedroom floor for 3 days, changed poo nappies directly onto the carpet and it got smeared and then her efforts to clean it up were poor, kept going off and meeting other friends, didn't even buy us a carton of milk, long showers again, left a trail of mess throughout the house etc.

When she left DH said he was about to say that she needed to go as both he and DC were getting stressed (she is quite wealthy through inheritance, parents and a high-paying job £80k so could afford a hotel). I really feel for her as I've seen and heard the horrendous messages he's sent/left her. I'd support any friend through this but I have been wanting out of this friendship for a long time and I feel guilty. She just veers from one drama to the next and this is the latest in a long line.

I feel like writing her a letter and saying for the above reasons – the lies and deceit over money, being constantly let down/late when meeting, only getting in contact when she wants a listening ear but doesn't do the same for me etc – is just not a friendship for me. She doesn't know that I know about the bank statement or that the temp job was actually a permanent role paying £38k (the letter was at the back of the CV folder).
If you talk about things that happened years ago she can never remember anything at all so I think she would deny all of this. I sometimes think there is something wrong with her.

I'm not the most confident of people and have never had a large group of friends and I guess I have just hung onto this friend for no good reason. A mutual former colleague in our home country said 20 years ago that 'she hasn't been brought up right.' I just feel she has little moral compass. Am I wrong to feel aggrieved and want to walk away?
Sorry this was long, and thank you if you got this far.

OP posts:
Beetlewings · 21/09/2022 14:00

You could write her a letter, to ease your own mind, but I guarantee she won't care and it won't change her.

DragonflyNights · 21/09/2022 14:12

She’s probably use any letter as evidence you’re a horrible person for bringing stuff up from the past when she’s got a young baby and has left an abusive relationship. For clarity - you’re not, just an enormous masochist by the sounds of it.

She’s not your friend and never has been. You’re of convenient use to her and also someone she enjoys dumping on (literally smearing shit on your floor from changing nappies - do you need it spelling out any more clearly?). Just fade her out as she’ll find some other mug to shit on, she probably already has a few others anyway.

WeAreTheHeroes · 21/09/2022 14:23

Write the letter to get it all off your chest. Don't send it - it won't make any difference to someone like that and she'll only use it against you. Then cut all contact and don't ever put her up or do her any favours again. She's a liar and a user and she's been taking you for a ride for years.

chaiteaforme · 21/09/2022 17:38

Thanks for the feedback all. I have definitely been burying my head in the sand about how I feel about this ‘friend.’ I think as @charmingthebirds said, you reach a point in your life when you think stuff this, I’m not putting up with this anymore and I deserve better.

OP posts:
Strawblue · 21/09/2022 19:40

She’s dreadful - a user and a liar. Just walk away from this person and never get involved with her again. The issue with paying your flatshare the money and finding the bank statement should have been a ‘sign’ all those years ago that this person was a lowlife.

drpet49 · 21/09/2022 20:02

Bestcatmum · 21/09/2022 12:38

Quite honestly not being mean but it's your own fault for allowing yourself to be treated like a shmuck.
And then you carried on letting her treat you like a shmuck.
I would have severed the "friendship" the first time round not carried on with it for years.
You let people do this and they will treat you like an idiot for as long as they can.

This. Why do you keep going back for more OP?

Snugglemonkey · 21/09/2022 20:13

She does not sound like a friend.

AssignedSlytherinAtBirth · 21/09/2022 20:22

You're a thoroughly decent person and you keep giving her a second chance. And a third, etc. You've done enough Time to end it - tell her that you wish her well but you won't be being her friend anymore. Probably easiest to do this next time she rings you. Then put the phone down.

Beinggood2 · 21/09/2022 20:38

@chaiteaforme

I just had to cut someone off again. It wasn't long since I allowed this friend in my life still kept them at distance. They hadn't changed but got worse.

What did it for me she acted like she didn't know me around her family like we still wasn't talking still. Because she lives same area now I live and no family she would contact me for advice. I was only there when she needed something. So I just cut her off can't deal with it.

I realized I am at peace now not having her in my life. Don't feel stressed all the time now.

These people are users and they don't see us as anything but doormat they can walk on. Unless you say not no more you treating me like this they continue to walk all over you. Lie and manipulate so cut ties.

onaslant · 21/09/2022 20:49

Don't write her a letter.
From today know that your friendship is finished.
Don't contact her.
Next time she contacts you be unavailable.
If she persists be firm.
If you're anything like me, the rage might start hitting you the further you get from her. Yes she is an abysmal person who has behaved appallingly. But you have enabled this.

fucap · 21/09/2022 20:56

You should never have tolerated any of this. You should have phased her out after the flatshare incident.
And I don't know why you didn't make her clean up when staying with you. I'd have told her to clean up the baby vomit as soon as it was apparent she wasn't going to. Not let it lie around for 3 days. Same with the dirty nappies changing on the carpet - why did you let her do that and not say immediately?

Anyway, in the future you'll be more in a position to spot cheeky fuckers like this and hopefully can nip it in the bud immediately.

As for the current situation - I'd just not bother with a letter and I wouldn't bother with her. If she contacts you again you can either ignore it depending on what she's asking for or if claiming some kind of emergency just say no, she can't stay with you because it doesn't work for you and your family. And keep repeating that. "No, it doesn't work for us. I'm sure you can ask other friends or book into a hotel".

Celticandco · 21/09/2022 20:56

onaslant

Great advice. At least she's not family so you can actually just cut her off permanently. Have more respect for yourself woman!

Backtonormalnow · 21/09/2022 21:01

Why oh why would you keep letting her stay?

I would just leave it now.

lobsterkiller · 22/09/2022 07:44

Mm, I'd just block. This person does not deserve any explanation. She has treated you like shit since forever.

Be kind to yourself and remove her from you and your family's life.

chaiteaforme · 22/09/2022 14:54

Thanks again all. I have been such a fool 😢

She has just text to say let’s catch up…just no. I feel terribly guilty to not reply to someone, and deleting her off my Facebook. I thought ghosting was a no no.

I’ve been reflecting over the years about how other people I know have been with her and it seems everyone else could see the light except me, but enough is enough and it should have been enough 20 years ago.
Thanks again for everyone’s insight that I’m not wrong to feel this way.

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AffIt · 22/09/2022 16:03

So you're effectively the only person out of your original friendship / country of origin group still tolerating her shit after more than two decades?

What does that tell you?

Just block. No ghosting or explanation required, just 'enough'.

Twawmyarse · 22/09/2022 16:23

You seem like a very nice, kind person OP and unfortunately people like you are often taken advantage of. It seems this woman only contacts you when it suits her and she wants something from you.

LOL at the passive-aggressive birthday gift, the cheeky cow! However you decide to end this "friendship", just end it - it seems she brings nothing but negativity to your life.

Crimeismymiddlename · 22/09/2022 16:46

Um respectfully she has behaved like this the entire time you have been friends and rather than just not being friends with her-as the even one of those incidents would have most people running for the hills you have clung on.
What made you become friends with her after she left your houseshare, most people would get the cash and forget about her.
It seems you have never told her once this is not on, but now you want to write her a letter detailing the history of her bad actions. Honestly, don’t, it won’t make her change and you will look like a weirdo. Just phase her out.

Beinggood2 · 22/09/2022 18:17

chaiteaforme · 22/09/2022 14:54

Thanks again all. I have been such a fool 😢

She has just text to say let’s catch up…just no. I feel terribly guilty to not reply to someone, and deleting her off my Facebook. I thought ghosting was a no no.

I’ve been reflecting over the years about how other people I know have been with her and it seems everyone else could see the light except me, but enough is enough and it should have been enough 20 years ago.
Thanks again for everyone’s insight that I’m not wrong to feel this way.

@chaiteaforme

You just too nice like I am.

Don't respond and get on with your life.

lobsterkiller · 22/09/2022 20:44

You are not a fool! You've been decent. Now be decent, with hard boundaries.

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