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Husband not sure what he wants. Struggling to cope.

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anon19881 · 18/09/2022 16:17

This is my first post and I’m really struggling so I’m searching for some advice really. My husband and I have been married for 10 years, together for nearly 16. We have one son who is about to turn 6, a much wanted son after two rounds of IVF. I’m 34 and my husband is 38.

Last Monday, my husband seemed a little off so I asked him if everything ok which is when he dropped the bombshell on me over text about how he didn’t think things had been right for a few months and he wasn’t unhappy but he wasn’t happy. He said his head was a mess, and didn’t like how angry he was all the time (this has been a longer term issue). He said he needs to sort his head out. My initial reaction was to offer my understanding and list a few options that could help but he said he needed to think.

He has a few points, that I agree with; I think we’ve fallen into that ‘roommate’ situation and with my sons sleep issues, our sex life is non existent but from my point of view this is nothing that can’t be worked on. I think the additional issues are, his not happy in some things himself; work, weight, etc and he seems to have a negative view on everything.

This aside, prior to this things seems ok mostly, he would text throughout the day, pet names, generally good mood, we’d been talking about some business ideas so many things that make things so confusing and hurtful for me.

This whole episode has followed a very, very bad hangover he had on Sunday (bed all day, but he was still pleasant) and then following a visit to a friend who is struggling with a relationship breakdown and insomnia/depression - he went to help and seemed to catch it!

This whole week I’ve not coped to put it plainly, I haven’t eaten in nearly a week. Several times I’ve gone on drives, not knowing where I’m going only having to pull over having an anxiety attack, I haven’t worked (I’m self employed), I’ve just walked round getting fresh air until my son has finished at school.

My husband is clearly tried to make a change for himself, he’s not drank since (we’ve both been drinking too much in the week), and taking himself to the gym.

To his credit, he is trying to be a little bit respectful of me, makes conversation although awkward at times, sits to watch something in the evening, he still calls every lunchtime at work, he explained he’d deleted Instagram and didn’t want it too look weird he said he needed to stop the distractions. He also said on Friday that tomorrow (Monday) he plans to take himself walking in the Peak District - he said he knows this is selfish but needed to go. I said I never stop you doing things for yourself (he’s often on bike trips with friends etc), most the time I have to convince him to go because he used to say he felt guilty for leaving us for the day.

Yesterday, we took our son to National Trust house with a big playground and from the outside you wouldn’t have thought that there was a problem, maybe just a little bit more awkward conversation. I was a little confused at the choice of venue as it couldn’t have been a more family oriented place if it tried. It was incredibly painful.

Before we left, I had to ask him about a holiday we have got in the October half term, paid for and my son is counting down the day for. He said he didn’t know, and some more of the things bothering him came out, the sex, the fertility issues, him feeling he let himself go. There was no shouting on either end, it was a discussion. I explained I wanted to work on those things, that I didn’t want to break up our family or have him only see our son every other weekend. He was hurt that I had planned ahead as he hadn’t even thought of that. I said, well no because he’s thinking about of his own issues, this is new for me and of course, the impact on our son crosses my mind. Basically, he doesn’t know what he wants.

The holiday things is especially confusing for me as it’s my sons 6th birthday while we are away and only recently just upgraded the hotel, we were both so excited. I did tell him that although I wouldn’t be able to go on that one as he is the lead passenger, I would probably still look at going away with him to minimise the heartbreak of not having his daddy there. It’s unfathomable to me that he would spend even that week away from him, never mind it being his birthday - this man normally barely copes with more than a night away from him.

I guess my question is what do I do? Do I just wait around until he decides either way and in the meantime, being positive and happy and doing all the little things I do for him? And then if he turns round and leaves us I’ve just basically made it very comfortable for him while he decides.

The other thing that concerns me is that he is confiding in this friend from work, I understand he needs to talk to someone but this guy has a pattern of being depressed and negative and seems like the wrong influence. It doesn’t seem the best idea that they are trying to support each other when they aren’t in a good head space themselves.

I’m in so much emotional and physically pain, it’s sometimes unbearable. I have a fantasy in my head that he will have some sort of epiphany on the peaks and come home feeling that this is something we can work on together. I know I’m clutching at straws.

I’m so sorry for the long post but I don’t have many people to talk to and don’t easily confide in friends.

p.s. I would be completely floored if there was someone else involved. He works with all men, doesn’t work away ever, is home in the evenings on time etc

p.p.s This has happened once before, when we were just married about 8 years ago before our son was born. Quite similar, it ended after a few weeks and we worked our way out of it. He even booked us a weekend away and we healed from there.

OP posts:
madasawethen · 18/09/2022 19:21

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 19:01

He doesn't want to go on holiday with you in October, during which it is his son's 6th birthday, yet he can go out drinking, support his friend, go to the gym, spruce up the camper van and go out walking in the Peak District.

I understand you wish to support him but at the same time don't allow yourself to be a doormat in this situation.

Have you told him how depressed and anxious you are about this. That you are in pain and are suffering because of his words, that you are having trouble functioning.
Where is his support for you, for your mental health.

Personally you sound a lot unhappier than he is.

This!!
It seems when men pull this shit, the woman will twist herself into knots being supportive and trying to please him while he shirks his responsibilities doing whatever he feels like.

I'd be tempted to agree with him and express how unhappy YOU are and then schedule yourself some jollies and free time for yourself. Stop doing all his wife work. Take up new hobby. Spend more time with friends.

ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 18/09/2022 19:32

I could have written your post about thinking my ex H was depressed. I'm sorry but I am another who thinks his moods at home and decisions eg not going on holiday are signs that he wants to leave but he doesn't have the guts to say it. The friend has been telling him he deserves "happiness" I expect like my ex H's. Cycling clubs are one of the main ways men and women meet up!

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 19:37

I know, I know you’re right. I want to be supportive but also want to show him I’m not just sat round waiting. Im just scared that more space alongside my indifference will make it worse. Maybe that’s just a risk I need to take

OP posts:
Ohpaella · 18/09/2022 19:40

Think about you and your son, this sounds really stressful waiting around for the knife to fall,

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 19:41

ILoveMyBedTooMuch · 18/09/2022 19:32

I could have written your post about thinking my ex H was depressed. I'm sorry but I am another who thinks his moods at home and decisions eg not going on holiday are signs that he wants to leave but he doesn't have the guts to say it. The friend has been telling him he deserves "happiness" I expect like my ex H's. Cycling clubs are one of the main ways men and women meet up!

It’s motorbikes he’s into. And there’s a group of 5 them, all married with businesses, new baby’s, long terms marriages etc. really good guys! I would love for him to spend time with them! He got rid of his bike for a year for which is why he hasn’t seen them. Prior to that it was an afternoon ride out to the coast for fish chips etc every other week.

OP posts:
StopStartStop · 18/09/2022 19:46

Oh dear. Sounds like he's met a woman.

Shiningstarr · 18/09/2022 19:52

It definitely sounds like he has met someone. On that night out where he had the hangover. Something has has happened that night.

madasawethen · 18/09/2022 19:57

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 19:37

I know, I know you’re right. I want to be supportive but also want to show him I’m not just sat round waiting. Im just scared that more space alongside my indifference will make it worse. Maybe that’s just a risk I need to take

With men indifference seems to set a fire under them.

They get very complacent and in their minds are dead certain their wife will be there waiting around on them while they're off doing what they want.

I've seen it so many times in real life and there are countless stories on here from women who took away their waiting option and their spouse was back with flowers, dates, hanging around like a bee to a flower.

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 20:14

I'd be inclined to put a listening/recording device in that camper.

Op he is prepared to lose hard earned money to not go on holiday with you, and what will you be doing on holiday ? wondering what the hell he's up to on his own no doubt.

He's checking out presently, for good, who knows but I think he's playing a merry dance making excuses up till he's finished pretending to be single.
Maybe he does not want to lose you, as you do sound very accomodating but just be careful, this kind of gaslighting can send you crazy.
He's not even allowing you to be upset about the situation because he's pleading depression. I think this is an act and a cruel one at that.

This clearly is making you unwell, consider your own mental health, visit the gp, gather support from friends, allow some of the secrecy out, he is not being very pleasant or kind towards you and I fear he is setting himself up to look like the victim.

He's trying to convince you, and now you are trying to convince yourself and the women on MN that it is depression.

So this depression it seems can only be rectified by being away or apart from you and his child, it does not apear to stop him partaking in planning other activities, only the ones with you.

Moonface123 · 18/09/2022 20:34

My goodness me, how on earth do you put up with this being in constant limbo ? There is no way l could live like this, demand a straight answer now, Is he in this relationship or not? If he comes back with some wishy washy vague reply which he seems fond of, you already have your answer right there. Bag packed and out the door, he can keep his miserable friend company. You are just prolonging the agony by allowing him to call all the shots. Take control and find out where you stand.

Rainbowpurple · 18/09/2022 20:46

He is ready to give up on you and his son. Don't give him that opportunity to ponder.

Winter2020 · 18/09/2022 20:51

I think your husband should see his GP and get himself on anti-depressants.

Spending time sharing misery with his depressed friend is probably indulging the emotions that he wants to indulge.

That said he can't just treat you however he likes. E.g. If he feels he can't holiday with you/celebrate your son's birthday then perhaps he should look at moving out until he sorts himself out. Perhaps take his camper van somewhere for a longer stay.

p.s. you can go on a holiday your husband booked without him. If you are worried give them a ring and say your husband might not be able to make it and get your name put down also.

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 20:58

p.s. you can go on a holiday your husband booked without him. If you are
worried give them a ring and say your husband might not be able to make
it and get your name put down also

Because that would be so enjoyable wouldn't it.

This woman is devastated and heartbroken, already said she is having anxiety attacks and having to stop the car and weeping. Sounds like she's having the nervous breakdown and should be being looked after by famil,y friends and Dr's, not him.

Allow yourself op to grieve and be upset, you have every right to feel destabalised, this man is not reassuring you at all, just throwing doubt and uncertainty at you on a daily basis.
He's a twat.

Get angry.

Winter2020 · 18/09/2022 21:01

@PineOrange
If you have read the thread you will know that the OP had said that she can't go on this holiday as her husband is the lead passenger but will take her son away herself somewhere else.

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 21:09

Winter2020 · 18/09/2022 21:01

@PineOrange
If you have read the thread you will know that the OP had said that she can't go on this holiday as her husband is the lead passenger but will take her son away herself somewhere else.

Yes she's trying to keep it together.

Have you ever been told by your husband that he may not want you anymore.

Many have and it's like someone repeatedly kicking you in the gut, and it's very difficult to maintain normal activities.

She needs to know where she stands before anything else.

OldFan · 18/09/2022 21:16

@anon19881 My dad had an unpredictable temper and yelled 'YOU STUPID GIRL!' when I accidentally dropped a jar of something fairly inexpensive for instance.

He would tut and huff at nothing in particular etc.

We all walked on eggshells.

I've been left permanently unable to work and my sister also has problems with her mental health.

The growing brain needs somewhere to relax.

This sort of person is very damaging for a child to be around- no fun for you either.

I would tell him he has to shape up, up his game, doctors etc, or ship out. Tell him the effect his behaviour is having on you. You deserve a husband who treats you with consideration and decency.

21secondstogo · 18/09/2022 21:19

Hmm I saw alarm bells about the night out with the hangover too when I read your op. Also are you sure he is going for a walk in the Peak District and are you sure he is going with his ‘friend?’

GG1986 · 18/09/2022 21:20

Sounds like the start of a mid life crisis to me! That or he has depression? Let him go and clear his head on his walk, but tell him he needs to be honest with you about what he wants as you are in limbo right now.

Farmageddon · 18/09/2022 21:23

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 19:01

He doesn't want to go on holiday with you in October, during which it is his son's 6th birthday, yet he can go out drinking, support his friend, go to the gym, spruce up the camper van and go out walking in the Peak District.

I understand you wish to support him but at the same time don't allow yourself to be a doormat in this situation.

Have you told him how depressed and anxious you are about this. That you are in pain and are suffering because of his words, that you are having trouble functioning.
Where is his support for you, for your mental health.

Personally you sound a lot unhappier than he is.

I was going to say something similar to this - he's being incredibly selfish dropping a bomb like this on you and expecting you to just put up with it.

The fact that he has done this before makes it even worse - even if there isn't another woman (which there may well be), he cannot just keep you and your son in limbo while he decides whether he wants to be a family or not. When this happened before, from the sounds of it he was then rewarded with a dirty weekend to France - win win for him.

If it is depression, it's something that he needs to seek help for, you cannot do it for him. I'm so sick of these selfish men swanning off for 'me time' and leaving their wives to pick up the pieces while they decide if that want to participate in family life or not. Do you get that option - to just book some time off in the country for yourself to think, with only a few days' notice? But he's happy to go walking in the Peak District but doesn't know if he can make it on a family holiday that your son is so excited for?

Whatever you do, please don't fall into the trap of running around after him and trying to fix everything.

Farmageddon · 18/09/2022 21:27

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:19

He did say he wasn’t sure what he wanted but also that he was asking for a divorce. But he also doesn’t know about coming on the holiday in four weeks time (he wasn’t happy with how he was with my son on the last one)

So, he doesn't want to go on holiday because he can't trust himself not to act badly towards your son?

Instead of trying to improve his behaviour, he is punishing you both.

OldFan · 18/09/2022 21:36

I don't think depression/MLC etc are a complete blank cheque for hurtful behaviour towards family/others really.

Most women, if they have depression, don't take it out on those around them as often in the way some men do.

Bobbybobbins · 18/09/2022 21:56

I agree with some PPs that he has very high expectations of you and that despite your unhappiness you are considered able to carry on looking after your child etc while he goes out with friends.

Mosso · 18/09/2022 21:57

Hmmmm deleted Instagram after having a bad hangover.

I would be very much on your guard

Ohpaella · 18/09/2022 22:02

Why only Instagram? Is that the only social media he uses?

oatmilkicedchai · 18/09/2022 22:12

This is an affair, please pull your head out of the sand OP and at least consider the possibility.

You have documented a lot of fishy things in your OP and subsequent posts. I think that you are in the denial phase.