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Husband not sure what he wants. Struggling to cope.

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anon19881 · 18/09/2022 16:17

This is my first post and I’m really struggling so I’m searching for some advice really. My husband and I have been married for 10 years, together for nearly 16. We have one son who is about to turn 6, a much wanted son after two rounds of IVF. I’m 34 and my husband is 38.

Last Monday, my husband seemed a little off so I asked him if everything ok which is when he dropped the bombshell on me over text about how he didn’t think things had been right for a few months and he wasn’t unhappy but he wasn’t happy. He said his head was a mess, and didn’t like how angry he was all the time (this has been a longer term issue). He said he needs to sort his head out. My initial reaction was to offer my understanding and list a few options that could help but he said he needed to think.

He has a few points, that I agree with; I think we’ve fallen into that ‘roommate’ situation and with my sons sleep issues, our sex life is non existent but from my point of view this is nothing that can’t be worked on. I think the additional issues are, his not happy in some things himself; work, weight, etc and he seems to have a negative view on everything.

This aside, prior to this things seems ok mostly, he would text throughout the day, pet names, generally good mood, we’d been talking about some business ideas so many things that make things so confusing and hurtful for me.

This whole episode has followed a very, very bad hangover he had on Sunday (bed all day, but he was still pleasant) and then following a visit to a friend who is struggling with a relationship breakdown and insomnia/depression - he went to help and seemed to catch it!

This whole week I’ve not coped to put it plainly, I haven’t eaten in nearly a week. Several times I’ve gone on drives, not knowing where I’m going only having to pull over having an anxiety attack, I haven’t worked (I’m self employed), I’ve just walked round getting fresh air until my son has finished at school.

My husband is clearly tried to make a change for himself, he’s not drank since (we’ve both been drinking too much in the week), and taking himself to the gym.

To his credit, he is trying to be a little bit respectful of me, makes conversation although awkward at times, sits to watch something in the evening, he still calls every lunchtime at work, he explained he’d deleted Instagram and didn’t want it too look weird he said he needed to stop the distractions. He also said on Friday that tomorrow (Monday) he plans to take himself walking in the Peak District - he said he knows this is selfish but needed to go. I said I never stop you doing things for yourself (he’s often on bike trips with friends etc), most the time I have to convince him to go because he used to say he felt guilty for leaving us for the day.

Yesterday, we took our son to National Trust house with a big playground and from the outside you wouldn’t have thought that there was a problem, maybe just a little bit more awkward conversation. I was a little confused at the choice of venue as it couldn’t have been a more family oriented place if it tried. It was incredibly painful.

Before we left, I had to ask him about a holiday we have got in the October half term, paid for and my son is counting down the day for. He said he didn’t know, and some more of the things bothering him came out, the sex, the fertility issues, him feeling he let himself go. There was no shouting on either end, it was a discussion. I explained I wanted to work on those things, that I didn’t want to break up our family or have him only see our son every other weekend. He was hurt that I had planned ahead as he hadn’t even thought of that. I said, well no because he’s thinking about of his own issues, this is new for me and of course, the impact on our son crosses my mind. Basically, he doesn’t know what he wants.

The holiday things is especially confusing for me as it’s my sons 6th birthday while we are away and only recently just upgraded the hotel, we were both so excited. I did tell him that although I wouldn’t be able to go on that one as he is the lead passenger, I would probably still look at going away with him to minimise the heartbreak of not having his daddy there. It’s unfathomable to me that he would spend even that week away from him, never mind it being his birthday - this man normally barely copes with more than a night away from him.

I guess my question is what do I do? Do I just wait around until he decides either way and in the meantime, being positive and happy and doing all the little things I do for him? And then if he turns round and leaves us I’ve just basically made it very comfortable for him while he decides.

The other thing that concerns me is that he is confiding in this friend from work, I understand he needs to talk to someone but this guy has a pattern of being depressed and negative and seems like the wrong influence. It doesn’t seem the best idea that they are trying to support each other when they aren’t in a good head space themselves.

I’m in so much emotional and physically pain, it’s sometimes unbearable. I have a fantasy in my head that he will have some sort of epiphany on the peaks and come home feeling that this is something we can work on together. I know I’m clutching at straws.

I’m so sorry for the long post but I don’t have many people to talk to and don’t easily confide in friends.

p.s. I would be completely floored if there was someone else involved. He works with all men, doesn’t work away ever, is home in the evenings on time etc

p.p.s This has happened once before, when we were just married about 8 years ago before our son was born. Quite similar, it ended after a few weeks and we worked our way out of it. He even booked us a weekend away and we healed from there.

OP posts:
safetyfreak · 18/09/2022 17:22

It does sound like his head has been turned, sorry OP.

Joining the gym, going on long bike rides, pub outings and needing time for himself.

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:25

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:19

He did say he wasn’t sure what he wanted but also that he was asking for a divorce. But he also doesn’t know about coming on the holiday in four weeks time (he wasn’t happy with how he was with my son on the last one)

Meant he ‘*wasn’t asking for a divorce or anything like that’ and needed to sort his own head out.

Funnily enough, the week this before I got text telling me he loved me and would sort himself and stop being so short (we’d had an argument that weekend about his impatient with our son). We had already made up with a walk and holding hands so it was just a follow up message. He often gets down on himself about how much he snaps with him or is short tempered. Obviously only verbally.

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anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:26

safetyfreak · 18/09/2022 17:22

It does sound like his head has been turned, sorry OP.

Joining the gym, going on long bike rides, pub outings and needing time for himself.

He’s only been to the gym three times (hadnt gone, thought he could cancel, couldn’t for a month) and his bike rides have been going on for years and years. I’ve even driven to meet him and his mates on a few. There’s no pub outings. Only one night out in the last year.

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movingon2022 · 18/09/2022 17:32

I do not see the point in wondering why he may be doing this. Whether there is another women or not does not matter at all. Like one of the posters said, people change and grow apart. I know that this may be heart breaking and nerve racking for you as you did not see it coming, but it happens.

If I were you, I would stop wondering and waiting and start doing. First demand that you sit down and talk about what is going on. Ask direct questions like, are you thinking of leaving me, is there other women etc. Next thing to ask him is to go to couples counseling, but also, I suggest you go to individual counseling for your self, to help you cope.I strongly suggest you contact a solicitor to get some practical advice on what will happen in case you do split up.

I am very sorry this is happening to you OP, but this happens, a lot, and you need to be strong for yourself and your son. Take care.💕

Izzabellasasperella · 18/09/2022 17:32

Would he be open to couples councilling?
I think it could help both of you.
Sometimes marriages reach a point where an outside perspective and being able to communicate both sides of how you are feeling is very beneficial in a relationship.
Although if he refuses to seek help I would worry that he does know what he wants and is just too cowardly to tell you.

Noteverybodylives · 18/09/2022 17:44

I guess my question is what do I do? Do I just wait around until he decides either way and in the meantime, being positive and happy and doing all the little things I do for him? And then if he turns round and leaves us I’ve just basically made it very comfortable for him while he decides.

I’d give him a set date.
Tell him that you will not spend forever in limbo.

Give it say 4/8 weeks where you’re both making an effort - going to the gym, having date nights, having separate hobbies, having sex etc.

If after the set time period he is still not sure then he needs to leave.

There’s trying to make things work and then there’s just wasting time.

BirdinaHedge · 18/09/2022 17:51

Sorry, but he sounds like a man-child who doesn't want to take responsibility for the family he's created with you.

A high risk strategy might be to ask him to leave - let him see what he's missing.

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:54

BirdinaHedge · 18/09/2022 17:51

Sorry, but he sounds like a man-child who doesn't want to take responsibility for the family he's created with you.

A high risk strategy might be to ask him to leave - let him see what he's missing.

I know you’re not wrong. It’s so self indulgent.

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Ohpaella · 18/09/2022 17:59

I’m sorry op none of us can say for sure but only draw from our experiences but it lines up a bit like he’s interested in someone else.

I agree with others that you have to call his bluff otherwise your self esteem will be wrecked.

When you say this happened 8 years ago what do you mean? Similar situation?

Sorry you are going through this, it’s really horrible when someone pulls the rug out like this. Flowers

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 18:09

Ohpaella · 18/09/2022 17:59

I’m sorry op none of us can say for sure but only draw from our experiences but it lines up a bit like he’s interested in someone else.

I agree with others that you have to call his bluff otherwise your self esteem will be wrecked.

When you say this happened 8 years ago what do you mean? Similar situation?

Sorry you are going through this, it’s really horrible when someone pulls the rug out like this. Flowers

We had a situation similar 8ish years ago where he was completely happy and was trying to make decisions about us, that also coincided with some mental health issues on his part, finding out about our infertility, job issues etc - things were a lot less complicated then we had no dogs or a son etc. It ended two weeks later with him booking us two nights in a hotel in the French countryside and we grew stronger again from there.

I guess two blips in nearly 16 years isn’t such a huge deal and appreciate it sounds like there could be someone else (of course I can’t say there isn’t 100%) but knowing the nuances of our relationship before and now - that isn’t my gut instinct but won’t be an idiot about it.

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DarceyG · 18/09/2022 18:15

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 17:25

Meant he ‘*wasn’t asking for a divorce or anything like that’ and needed to sort his own head out.

Funnily enough, the week this before I got text telling me he loved me and would sort himself and stop being so short (we’d had an argument that weekend about his impatient with our son). We had already made up with a walk and holding hands so it was just a follow up message. He often gets down on himself about how much he snaps with him or is short tempered. Obviously only verbally.

To be honest if my partner snapped a lot at my dd I’d be questioning if I wanted him in the house.

OlderParents · 18/09/2022 18:23

You mentioned in your OP something about his anger issues - can you say more about that?

Other than that, I'm inclined to agree with the people who suspect depression. I don't want to worry you, but I think somebody (you, or a friend) needs to talk openly and calmly with him about if he is considering suicide.

I also think I'd be strongly asking him to see a counsellor individually, so that he has somebody to talk to who isn't you or this negative influence friend.

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 18:35

OlderParents · 18/09/2022 18:23

You mentioned in your OP something about his anger issues - can you say more about that?

Other than that, I'm inclined to agree with the people who suspect depression. I don't want to worry you, but I think somebody (you, or a friend) needs to talk openly and calmly with him about if he is considering suicide.

I also think I'd be strongly asking him to see a counsellor individually, so that he has somebody to talk to who isn't you or this negative influence friend.

The anger - it’s a temper towards things that I feel, or others would feel are not important or insignificant. Like, leaving something out the fridge by accident and then getting a response to this that is over the top and angry (often swearing) and then slamming around putting it back.

Also having less patience for things I consider age appropriate behaviour for our son.

I am definitely leaning on the side of depression than jumping towards the conclusion of an affair - our relationship has been good, we had amazing plans for the future. I feel I owe us more than that.

I also have first hand experience with my brother of how incredibly short sighted and selfish depression can make you.

In his initial message where he said he needed to clear his head. He did say he had thoughts of going to the doctor but asked me to let him think about it.

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JaneAustensHeroine · 18/09/2022 18:36

You have described someone who is depressed and possibly has been for a while but then drinking alcohol (a known depressant) and spending time with a friend who is depressed and going through a relationship breakdown has led to him expressing this outwardly.

It sounds as though he is trying to do things that will help such as stay off social media and exercise / get some space which is good. However along with that comes an attitude of perhaps self-centredness in that he can’t look too far ahead in terms of family commitments and holidays.

The best thing you can do is to look after you. Find things to do that you enjoy, spend time with friends, exercise, walk, whatever. You will need this to withstand his low mood which is not about you but about him.

You have been through this before and I wonder what helped then?

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 18:39

He's playing the victim.

Ask him if he's having an affair, that may change his demeanor.

It could be depression but his ramping up of activities without you suggests otherwise.

Persosnally I'd cut to the quick and get a PI on him. All this handwringing of he doesn't know what he wants, married men don't say that unless they have other options, what does he want to be single like his friend is, his wingman.

At the end of the day if he does choose you, you will still have thoughts that he may have been unfaithful and that will affect your relationship going forward.

Do some digging and find out, forget what he says, watch what he does.

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 18:42

JaneAustensHeroine · 18/09/2022 18:36

You have described someone who is depressed and possibly has been for a while but then drinking alcohol (a known depressant) and spending time with a friend who is depressed and going through a relationship breakdown has led to him expressing this outwardly.

It sounds as though he is trying to do things that will help such as stay off social media and exercise / get some space which is good. However along with that comes an attitude of perhaps self-centredness in that he can’t look too far ahead in terms of family commitments and holidays.

The best thing you can do is to look after you. Find things to do that you enjoy, spend time with friends, exercise, walk, whatever. You will need this to withstand his low mood which is not about you but about him.

You have been through this before and I wonder what helped then?

Thank you so much. My thoughts exactly were that he has been depressed by all these things and then bad, bad hangover followed by probably a quite negative talk with his friend made it come to boiling point.

I’ve stopped drinking too as it makes my anxiety worse, I’ve managed to eat today. I’ve been enjoying walking so taking my son tomorrow while he’s out on his Peaks walk - unfortunately with this friend.

He has acknowledged that he might be coming across as selfish. I’m going to be understanding for now and work on myself. I needed to lose weight for myself as that has been holding me back too. Currently one stone down.

I appreciate the responses. I will keep pushing through.

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flossletsfloss · 18/09/2022 18:43

I do agree there's a strong chance it's depression and he's projecting onto you. It's not uncommon for very depressed people to suddenly feel that they don't love the people they actually do love.

However, I also think you do need to consider (even if you think it's impossible) that he's fallen for someone. It may be a heavy crush and it's confusing the hell out of him. This happened to me once. And I acted in a similar way. I started to pull away, said I was confused, wanted time away etc. Don't give up, people are only human. Give him a bit more time and then you have to start pressurising him for answers.

JaneAustensHeroine · 18/09/2022 18:43

Don’t put any pressure on him at all. Hard though it is when you will want to know what’s happening with him / the holiday / the future, step away and put that energy into you.

In my experience (personal and professional) men with depression do not cope well with what they perceive as demands…any demands. For them it is some kind of evidence that you don’t understand what they are feeling and you become to blame for making demands when they can’t cope with it.

Hard though it will be, step away, give him space and make plans for yourself and your son. Find places to go and things to do for you both. He will almost certainly come round when there are no demands on him and he sees your life continuing without him.

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 18:46

JaneAustensHeroine · 18/09/2022 18:43

Don’t put any pressure on him at all. Hard though it is when you will want to know what’s happening with him / the holiday / the future, step away and put that energy into you.

In my experience (personal and professional) men with depression do not cope well with what they perceive as demands…any demands. For them it is some kind of evidence that you don’t understand what they are feeling and you become to blame for making demands when they can’t cope with it.

Hard though it will be, step away, give him space and make plans for yourself and your son. Find places to go and things to do for you both. He will almost certainly come round when there are no demands on him and he sees your life continuing without him.

Thank you. I will bare that in mind. It’s very hard for me not to be angry at the situation, at him for doing this too us and not saying something sooner but I realise it’s all perspective. Whatever happens I have to take care of my son so I may as well use that as my focus through this. It needs to have minimal impact on him.

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JaneAustensHeroine · 18/09/2022 18:49

anon19881 · 18/09/2022 18:42

Thank you so much. My thoughts exactly were that he has been depressed by all these things and then bad, bad hangover followed by probably a quite negative talk with his friend made it come to boiling point.

I’ve stopped drinking too as it makes my anxiety worse, I’ve managed to eat today. I’ve been enjoying walking so taking my son tomorrow while he’s out on his Peaks walk - unfortunately with this friend.

He has acknowledged that he might be coming across as selfish. I’m going to be understanding for now and work on myself. I needed to lose weight for myself as that has been holding me back too. Currently one stone down.

I appreciate the responses. I will keep pushing through.

Good for you!! Definitely stay off alcohol as it will make things worse and keep focusing on you and your own well-being. Living with a depressed / moody person is awful and takes its toll so look after yourself and make your own plans to enjoy your life regardless of his mood and behaviour.

One stone down is incredible!

movingon2022 · 18/09/2022 18:59

It seems that surprisingly high number of women on MN lately “blames” depression for their husbands misbehaving. While your husband OP may as well suffer from depression, please note that depression is not at all as common in men as it is in women. In fact, only half as many men seem to suffer from depression compared to women.This being said, mental illness is very difficult to diagnose even by a certified professional and therefore one should not be relying on self diagnoses or a hunch. Like I said in my previous post, whatever may be happening with your husband you have to have an honest discussion with him and most importantly seek a professional help. Do not continue suffering in silence. At this point I am much more worried about you and your son, so take care OP.

toooldtodate · 18/09/2022 19:01

I have to say that this almost nearly echoes what happened to me earlier this year....after IVF twins....STBEXH walked out and left. Also said exactly the same thing about being unhappy and also how angry he is becoming

I don't want to necessarily add to your mental load but my DH said that the fact our babies are IVF was a major factor. (They are biologically his) - could that be the same for you? What his bond like with his son? Is he an involved father?

PineOrange · 18/09/2022 19:01

He doesn't want to go on holiday with you in October, during which it is his son's 6th birthday, yet he can go out drinking, support his friend, go to the gym, spruce up the camper van and go out walking in the Peak District.

I understand you wish to support him but at the same time don't allow yourself to be a doormat in this situation.

Have you told him how depressed and anxious you are about this. That you are in pain and are suffering because of his words, that you are having trouble functioning.
Where is his support for you, for your mental health.

Personally you sound a lot unhappier than he is.

Ohpaella · 18/09/2022 19:10

Yes why can’t he go on the holiday with his six year old son but can pack and go away with a friend in the Peak District? Sounds more like he’s quite selfish I’m sorry.

Cameleongirl · 18/09/2022 19:11

You mentioned that a weekend away strengthened your relationship last time you had a blip. Do you get any child free time together now, OP?

While a whole weekend might not be possible, hiring a babysitter and having an afternoon or evening out just the two of you could be. Or perhaps family could babysit once a month? You do sound as if you need to bond again as a couple.

Ours are teenagers now, but we used to get a babysitter every few weeks and have an evening out, either as a couple or with friends. It makes a difference, you remember what you like about each other!