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Was my Mum a Narcissist?

26 replies

multigenhen · 06/09/2022 19:10

My mum, to everyone, seemed very lovely. A good parent, a hero even to some. And I suppose I have even benefited from some of her parenting

I was a successful athlete. No longer due to severe sporting injuries in my late teens. I have a degree. I know how to mix with all kinds of social circles because my mum constantly spoke to me, gave me honest opinions of the world and how people's brains 'work'. She gave me valuable insights into how to present myself. She spent a lot of time actually having real conversations with me about stuff. When spending time with friends, I got the impression their mums weren't really interested in really talking to them with proper, meaningful conversations. They also seemed a lot younger than me. I always felt older

My brother, now gone bless him, was profoundly disabled. But very beautiful looks wise. She use to tell me she was always very disappointed I wasn't more like him. He looked like her. Olive skin. Green eyes. Nice facial features. I'm pale, and not ugly but not particularly pretty. She always said 'you aren't ugly. That's the thing. You just aren't blessed with nice skin!' She use to tell me that as a toddler I was put under tanning lamps but my skin never responded to them. I have a faint memory of her doing this to me from when I was about 3/4.

I've never ever felt self conscious of my looks, however. And I'm happy in my own skin. So maybe she didn't go too far wrong?

She chose what sport I was going to do. Based apparently on my physique. And I stuck to it. I liked pleasing her and I was naturally quite good. But I did feel like it was my key to keeping her really happy with me, since I know she never liked how I looked

To everyone else I was impeccably well behaved but there would be serious consequences if I wasn't.

Was she a bit of a narc? I do think most/everything she really did was to benefit her in some way, and her children were seen to her as an extension of herself so naturally them being successful (or just looking good), were important to her

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multigenhen · 06/09/2022 19:14

Sorry posted too soon!

So there was a lot of emphasis that I didn't look like her side of the family. And this really disappointed her. I had to make up for that in other ways I suppose

I always had nice clothes. My mum made me feel safe with routines, I was so well turned out and cared for. Nice bubble baths every night. Clothes ironed. I got what I asked for at birthdays and Christmas (luckily they're 6 months apart otherwise I wouldn't have gotten really anything otherwise)

She was very defensive of me but use to confess again her disappointment in my colouring

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multigenhen · 06/09/2022 23:04

Bump

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DrEllie · 06/09/2022 23:09

I'd say yes. The comparisons about whether you are like or aren't like someone are hurtful. Have you found some self esteem as you've grown up? What are your relationships like now?

saraclara · 06/09/2022 23:11

Does it matter? Does she need a label?

You know who she was, you know what she did.
This obsession on MN with the label of narcissist puzzles me. It seems to be applied with gusto for the slightest of reasons.

multigenhen · 06/09/2022 23:16

DrEllie · 06/09/2022 23:09

I'd say yes. The comparisons about whether you are like or aren't like someone are hurtful. Have you found some self esteem as you've grown up? What are your relationships like now?

Thank you. I wasn't sure. A lot of red flags for it are missing - for example, she wouldn't be jealous of me if I won something, got something, achieved something etc etc. She lived and breathed both me and my brother entirely. She was never jealous of us

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MMmomDD · 06/09/2022 23:54

Not sure why a label is needed really. What can it possibly achieve?
But by your description - you had a mother that was pushy and strict, and possibly on a controlling side. And obviously somewhat obsessed with your looks and skin tone.

It feels a stretch at best to assign the reason for her being pushy to her doing it for her own benefit, somehow. It doesn’t have to be the only possible reason. Some parents are more ambitious for their kids than others just because.
You didn’t say anything about the emotional side of your childhood - whether you felt loved and if you were generally happy.
Or why you now feel the need to figure this out.

MsCactus · 06/09/2022 23:55

She might not be the best mum, but definitely not a narcissist. My Granny is a narcissist and her behaviour is downright bizarre - way worse than anything youve said, and just really warped/ socially odd at times.

People seem to want to pathologise a lot of normal human behaviour. Your mum might be a bit vain, but she sounds alright to me

MsCactus · 06/09/2022 23:56

*Alright as in, maybe not the best mum ever, but not abusive etc

shazzybazzy34 · 06/09/2022 23:56

She sounds like my Mum and she is Queen of the narcs. It sucks OP and it bloody hurts, even after years. x

CuriousMama · 07/09/2022 00:00

Toddler tanning is extremely weird.

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 07/09/2022 00:07

Nothing you've described is shouting narcissistic to me. Maybe there are nuances I'm missing here but other than some disappointment in one aspect of your appearance (which is certainly unkind and not good, but sounds like you had a very open relationship where alsorts got discussed so maybe she was guilty of being too honest about that thought, maybe she thought all her other devotion would balance it out so it didn't matter) she seems to have been a parent who invested a lot of time in her dd for the benefit of all. 🤷‍♀️

Holidaywoes2022 · 07/09/2022 00:11

No she doesn't sound like a narcissist Op.
So you say she'd advise about what sport she thought better suited your physique and you got what you wanted when you asked; Birthdays/Christmases.
You were well turned out; clothes ironed/cleaned, you were bathed.
She thought her children were an extension of her ( don't most parents? )
She sounds vain maybe but a narcissist NO

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 07/09/2022 00:19

A lot of mums who pour everything they've got into their children can be understandably somewhat heavily invested. She sounds like a woman doing her best and making a few mistakes, which is most parents I think.

hendown · 07/09/2022 00:50

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 07/09/2022 00:19

A lot of mums who pour everything they've got into their children can be understandably somewhat heavily invested. She sounds like a woman doing her best and making a few mistakes, which is most parents I think.

It says she put an infant/toddler under tanning laps! Confused

CuriousMama · 07/09/2022 09:04

hendown · 07/09/2022 00:50

It says she put an infant/toddler under tanning laps! Confused

Obviously that's ok 🤔

Justcallmebebes · 07/09/2022 09:12

No, she doesn't sound like a narc but then just about everybody has some element of narcissism in their character.

The tanning lamp is odd but that depends on your age as back in the 70's and 80's tanning lamps were very common for adults and kids

LooneyToon · 07/09/2022 20:20

No. If these are her worst points she sounds pretty fine

MsPincher · 07/09/2022 20:33

LooneyToon · 07/09/2022 20:20

No. If these are her worst points she sounds pretty fine

This.

multigenhen · 07/09/2022 21:53

Justcallmebebes · 07/09/2022 09:12

No, she doesn't sound like a narc but then just about everybody has some element of narcissism in their character.

The tanning lamp is odd but that depends on your age as back in the 70's and 80's tanning lamps were very common for adults and kids

I'm pretty sure tanning lamps were never acceptable to be used on babies, ever?

Anyway, I was born in 97

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CuriousMama · 07/09/2022 22:11

multigenhen · 07/09/2022 21:53

I'm pretty sure tanning lamps were never acceptable to be used on babies, ever?

Anyway, I was born in 97

You're the same age as my eldest son. Wish I could hug you. ❤️

LateAF · 07/09/2022 23:50

Was she an immigrant? Sounds like a lot of immigrant parents- mine included.

But I don’t think it’s narcissism, but an extreme desire to ensure their child does better and has more opportunities than they did. Which can mean putting overbearing expectations on
that child.

I also know lots of my friends with immigrant parents had comments about their looks and weight. My friends parents used to tell her she was fat and put her on a diet resembling starvation. Luckily mine didn’t make such comments about my looks but in many cultures around the world such comments are/were normal. The tanning bed thing is a bit much though.

multigenhen · 07/09/2022 23:58

@CuriousMama thank you Flowers that would be nice!

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multigenhen · 07/09/2022 23:59

LateAF · 07/09/2022 23:50

Was she an immigrant? Sounds like a lot of immigrant parents- mine included.

But I don’t think it’s narcissism, but an extreme desire to ensure their child does better and has more opportunities than they did. Which can mean putting overbearing expectations on
that child.

I also know lots of my friends with immigrant parents had comments about their looks and weight. My friends parents used to tell her she was fat and put her on a diet resembling starvation. Luckily mine didn’t make such comments about my looks but in many cultures around the world such comments are/were normal. The tanning bed thing is a bit much though.

Not an immigrant but her grandmother was

She herself was a cleaner and then an office assistant before my brother was born

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whatwhhat · 08/09/2022 00:38

I think the tanning bed is bad even in 1997, but o don't think it's that outside the realms like parents when I were younger (I'm not much older than you) letting their kids go without sun cream as they looked healthier with a glow. The comments are mean but again some cultures are very blunt (not saying it's right just again not outside the realms of normal for a lot of people).

Everything else does sound like she gave you quite a lot of tools that would help in adulthood. She sounds like she was quite driven and tried to instil that in you.

What is you relationship like now?

CuriousMama · 08/09/2022 11:31

Sorry but skin cancer was well known about in 97. It's absolutely shocking. And who wants to change their children's skin tone? Madness.

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