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Friend's shit husband is affecting me!

35 replies

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 09:44

My friend accepts that her husband is a waste of space.
She works part-time and is currently on maternity leave, however they also run a business together. He does the practical side of things and she does most of the paperwork behind the scenes.

Since being on maternity leave, he seems to consider her to be 'off work' and gives her errands to run with a toddler and baby in tow. She seems to do what he says for fear of upsetting the status quo. Their marriage seems to be very much a formal arrangement these days with not much love left- she has no desire to leave him and seems content with their practical arrangement.

He's a terrible husband. He won't cook, clean, ignores the children, refuses to help with bedtimes, won't change nappies, won't dress his kids, doesn't help. She just accepts it although complains to me about him. She clearly finds him a bit pathetic. He is also a big gamer and spends much of his time gaming like a child. I am always wowed by her endless energy and surprised that she doesn't burn out. If she was ever ill, I don't know what would happen as she keeps absolutely everything going, albeit chaotically due to the enormous amount on her plate.

The thing is, his neglect for his responsibilities is affecting me whenever I see my friend! We had arranged a play date last week for both her kids and one of mine and he called her when we were leaving, asking her to run some work errands instead. She agreed and we instead spent our morning at suppliers, banks etc with 3 kids in tow! She kept apologising but wouldn't seem to tell him no. These errands went on long past lunch time and I was livid to discover that her husband had actually finished work by lunch time and had spent the afternoon gaming when he could have run these errands himself!!

There have been two occasions now where I've arranged to meet my friend for coffee/lunch and although I know she'll bring the baby, she's arranged to leave the toddler with him at home. Then she'll suddenly arrive with the toddler too and apologise a lot but I'll spend my much needed child-free morning chasing her toddler whilst she feeds the baby! Her reasoning both times- her husband wasn't feeling very well so she needed to bring the toddler too.

In addition to this, there have been occasions where she's asked me for emergency childcare because she's needed to take the baby somewhere and he's bailed on looking after the toddler. I wouldn't mind, but I am basically filling in for him- their Dad! Who needs to pull his weight!

I've told her this- she agrees, but doesn't challenge it and I think she's becoming far too used to relying on other women to fill in for her husband which just isn't on. Her home dynamic is all wrong and it impacts me literally every time I see her. I don't think she's frightened of him, I very much doubt that there is physical abuse going on but clearly he expects far too much of her which is mental abuse. His expectations of her are absolutely ridiculous. I have told her this. She accepts it, says she will never leave him due to the business and there being too much at stake. She probably takes too much on aswell, without considering that she'll need help but her husband never does help so it always falls to a friend. We once booked a spa day last year and I had to drive 5 miles in the opposite direction to collect her at the last minute as her husband suddenly refused to drop her off as he was 'doing enough looking after DC1 for the day' and she couldn't drive at the time due to a broken ankle.

I just wouldn't accept any of this from my own husband and I'm becoming increasingly exasperated that my friend's husband's laziness is affecting my life and time spent with my friend. It's not enjoyable time much of the time and it's because of him and what appears to be misogyny.

How to continue a friendship when her husband's neglect for his responsibilities regularly affects me?

OP posts:
Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 09:50

Also to add, her toddler's behaviour is quite challenging at the moment which isn't helping when she suddenly brings him along with her without me knowing.

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MadMadMadamMim · 03/09/2022 09:54

It's very difficult, isn't it. I can see that his behaviour impacts on your time with her and that you are helping her out because he won't - but I don't really think there is a solution.

Either you step up to do some of his share so that you can see your friend or you tell her bluntly "I don't want to go out with you anymore if I'm dicking around doing shit that your DH can't be arsed to. Find another mug".

She will end up isolated from her friends if she carries on, however. Presumably her DH won't care.

pinkyredrose · 03/09/2022 09:57

Say no, tell her you're not allowing her husband to take the piss out of you the way he does with her.

Jossse · 03/09/2022 10:10

I think you know what you need to do... you're not in their relationship but you have become part of it.
Your friend needs to find her strength, she and you are allowing her husband to control your life now too.
I'd be looking for more friends and explaining calmly to my friend, when/if asked why our friendship isn't working

Spudina · 03/09/2022 10:16

How frustrating. Sorry but I agree with the other PP. Maybe if you put some boundaries in place about how you spend your time, she will be forced to push back a bit.

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:17

Her husband wants her isolated from her friends I think. He complains that she spends more time with other people than him which I think is the reason he keeps giving her work errands to do when she's supposed to be seeing friends.

I also don't understand why she's more comfortable asking for help from friends or giving us no choice but to help her and yet won't seek this from her husband. I am more comfortable the other way around. I'll always ask him before asking anyone else... perhaps there is something more untoward.

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Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:20

Spudina · 03/09/2022 10:16

How frustrating. Sorry but I agree with the other PP. Maybe if you put some boundaries in place about how you spend your time, she will be forced to push back a bit.

Yes I agree.
The problem is that she springs it on me, I never know what's happening until I get there. I have wondered whether to back off the friendship until her children are older as I don't seem to get a lot back in return at present. Although I feel sorry for her as she has nothing left to give!

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jessycake · 03/09/2022 10:23

It's coercive control , very miserable for her

pinkyredrose · 03/09/2022 10:26

Why the fuck did she have another baby with him! Does she want to leave him?

TimetohittheroadJack · 03/09/2022 10:33

I had a similar (now ex) H. And probably pissed my friends off as I couldn’t leave the kids with him, as if I did I would come home to him on his computer with them running riot , unfed (unless you count sweets and crisps) and the house trashed. Could you just met her with kids, maybe at the park? I’d bet she appreciates your friendship .

Pinkpeony2 · 03/09/2022 10:39

You need to stop thinking ‘I wouldn’t do xxx so why is she?’
She isn’t thinking like you at the moment. The thought of leaving and being on her own is probably terrifying so she is doing everything to keep him. Might not always be like that but that’s how it is now.
Dont leave her - she probably needs you even though she’s acting like this and it’s frustrating.
I would meet but be firm about where. I would accept that when we meet she a. Might not turn up and b. Will have the toddler in tow.
So when you arranged the soft play- you say that you will meet her there. That way your kids get to have fun and if she turns up great, if not then oh well, you have still taken your kids.
For the quiet coffee morning - I wouldn’t be arranging any toddler free meets. Act as though she is a single mum. She will always bring her toddler. Do put the pressure on her to ask her DH. He won’t so just cut him out. Arrange to meet at a park or somewhere he can run around. Accept that when you meet your friend you may well be helping with the baby or toddler. It won’t be forever.
I had 3 kids under 3 due to having twins and for a few years anyone who met with me was at some point handed a baby to look after. I had to or I wouldn’t have been able to leave the house.
Dont he taken for a mug and stand your ground in terms of where you will meet and what your kids will be doing but also arrange stuff knowing and expecting realistically.
Things change over time. They often do.

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:39

TimetohittheroadJack · 03/09/2022 10:33

I had a similar (now ex) H. And probably pissed my friends off as I couldn’t leave the kids with him, as if I did I would come home to him on his computer with them running riot , unfed (unless you count sweets and crisps) and the house trashed. Could you just met her with kids, maybe at the park? I’d bet she appreciates your friendship .

I could yes but I think the arrangements might probably change at the last minute without my knowledge to be of some sort of service to him instead! That's the trouble.

Also, her eldest son's behaviour is very challenging at present and he hits out at other kids so I erected a boundary about not meeting up with the children in tow some time ago! She doesn't discipline him either because I really don't think she has the energy for it! Last time we went to the park together it was extremely stressful. He took my youngest child's toy and wouldn't hand it back to her and my friend made a comment that she only wanted it back because he had it. Her parenting is extremely submissive.. not good at all.

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Pinkpeony2 · 03/09/2022 10:40

Sorry that was meant to read ‘don’t put the pressure on her to ask DH

AquaticSewingMachine · 03/09/2022 10:41

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:20

Yes I agree.
The problem is that she springs it on me, I never know what's happening until I get there. I have wondered whether to back off the friendship until her children are older as I don't seem to get a lot back in return at present. Although I feel sorry for her as she has nothing left to give!

At which point you say "I told you I couldn't do the work of managing your children any more. I've got to go, bye" and leave.

Why wouldn't she spring it on you in the current setup? She knows you'll tolerate it.

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:43

Pinkpeony2 · 03/09/2022 10:39

You need to stop thinking ‘I wouldn’t do xxx so why is she?’
She isn’t thinking like you at the moment. The thought of leaving and being on her own is probably terrifying so she is doing everything to keep him. Might not always be like that but that’s how it is now.
Dont leave her - she probably needs you even though she’s acting like this and it’s frustrating.
I would meet but be firm about where. I would accept that when we meet she a. Might not turn up and b. Will have the toddler in tow.
So when you arranged the soft play- you say that you will meet her there. That way your kids get to have fun and if she turns up great, if not then oh well, you have still taken your kids.
For the quiet coffee morning - I wouldn’t be arranging any toddler free meets. Act as though she is a single mum. She will always bring her toddler. Do put the pressure on her to ask her DH. He won’t so just cut him out. Arrange to meet at a park or somewhere he can run around. Accept that when you meet your friend you may well be helping with the baby or toddler. It won’t be forever.
I had 3 kids under 3 due to having twins and for a few years anyone who met with me was at some point handed a baby to look after. I had to or I wouldn’t have been able to leave the house.
Dont he taken for a mug and stand your ground in terms of where you will meet and what your kids will be doing but also arrange stuff knowing and expecting realistically.
Things change over time. They often do.

I think that's really good advice although the issue is the behaviour of her toddler- he hits out at my kids and they don't like him. That's another issue that she currently has on her plate and she doesn't discipline him. I'd erected a boundary not so long ago to not spend too much time with her with the children. It's very difficult to navigate how to be friends with her at present.

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AquaticSewingMachine · 03/09/2022 10:46

It's for you to judge where to set the boundary, but I think I would decide for yourself that you will only do things with her if it's actually the thing you agreed to do. If you agreed to a park meet and she wants to go do errands - "I'm not doing that. We agreed park and I'm staying at the park." If she turns up with kids and expects you to look after them - leave. As long as you keep propping up this arrangement she'll keep expecting you to. And while you might feel sorry for her, she's a grown woman and she's made her choices; it's not your job to keep her show on the road.

Doyoumind · 03/09/2022 11:01

I think she is in a coercive and controlling relationship and that's really difficult. The fact she says she can't leave is proof of this. She's in so deep she can't see a way out. You do need to put yourself in her shoes. He can easily make her life more difficult if she doesn't comply. He doesn't need to be physically abusive. He essentially rules her life by ensuring she has no freedom. Don't give up on her.

Shinyandnew1 · 03/09/2022 11:06

Also, her eldest son's behaviour is very challenging at present and he hits out at other kids so I erected a boundary about not meeting up with the children in tow some time ago!

Good-problem sounds solved. Only meet you with her in the evenings for a drink/dinner. If she texts beforehand to say she has the kids, say, ‘oh no-again? Let’s postpone until you have childcare’.

Autumnchills415 · 03/09/2022 11:15

It's difficult because this is only her life to change. I guess you can continue this friendship or break it off or distance yourself. But you can't change other people unfortunately. The kids will get older so this is a temporary stage but it's really your choice whether you cut her off,cut back or stay.

Spudina · 03/09/2022 11:41

My DH has a suggestion. When you are going out, go to her house to collect her. He will find it harder to palm the kids on her while you are stood there. Her toddler is probably acting up partly in response to not getting attention from their Dad.

Creepymanonagoatfarm · 03/09/2022 11:46

My friend had an equally useless dh. Eventually they split. She still danced to his tune.
One day I had driven an hour to her house as was usual weekly.. Even post prem dc she couldn't drive over or to our planned shopping centre.. Nerves apparently.. Fair enough.. Got to a shopping centre. Unloaded dc and pram etc. Started our shopping trip. Exh text demanding he be able to collect their dc's stuff then.
Dc were at school and he wasn't getting them until after then. She insisted we go back..
And I did.
Once.
Then ghosted her.
I feel for you op. Has she any family she could leave dc with? Take that power trip away from her dh.
Because that's what he is doing..

topandtailem · 03/09/2022 11:53

Unfortunately you can’t control her relationship with her husband. You need to focus on how she is treating you and what you’re willing to put up with as you have with the toddler. She has already told you through her words and her actions that she is happy to inconvenience you over her DH so the ball is in your court.

RandomMess · 03/09/2022 12:08

I would just meet with her in the evenings so at most she'll have the baby with her.

Pinkpeony2 · 03/09/2022 12:23

Chimichurro · 03/09/2022 10:43

I think that's really good advice although the issue is the behaviour of her toddler- he hits out at my kids and they don't like him. That's another issue that she currently has on her plate and she doesn't discipline him. I'd erected a boundary not so long ago to not spend too much time with her with the children. It's very difficult to navigate how to be friends with her at present.

It’s really difficult when you have a friend but don’t like their kid/ kids or their children are very hard work and impact on your children.
Been there with a friend I really liked.
Child was also a boy and toddler (although she had a girl too who I found incredibly spoilt and rude but was at school all day)
We hardly ever met without the kids so I just limited contact a bit / put up with it and when he got older he did get a lot better.
If your friends child is hitting or snatching toys from your children I would be gently but very firmly telling friends child not to do it. I usually find that when the other child knows you mean business they stop doing it (when you are there) Even at 2 children quickly cotton on. But I agree not liking your friends kids is a difficult one.

billy1966 · 03/09/2022 12:33

topandtailem · 03/09/2022 11:53

Unfortunately you can’t control her relationship with her husband. You need to focus on how she is treating you and what you’re willing to put up with as you have with the toddler. She has already told you through her words and her actions that she is happy to inconvenience you over her DH so the ball is in your court.

This.

I had this donkeys years ago with an old friend.

I pulled back as did her other friends.
Her husband was a waste of selfish space and she chose to accept it.

She asked me and I was direct.
I told her my time was valuable and she was making arrangements with me, childless, and was then messing me around as her selfish husband was insisting on going out.

I told her that her husband was messing her and me about and I wasn't having it.

She apologised and I accepted, but said I still wasn't having it, thanks!

I didn't meet up with her for a while.

I think the penny finally dropped because suddenly she found her back bone and was turning up as planned at group meet ups.

Her husband is still a twat, Principal of a large renowned boys school.

His eldest son thinks he's an absolute twat and has publicly embarrassed him on that front.

They had a second son and he has tried much much harder, aware that he really fxxked up with his first, who is in his 20's, has no time for him, and makes no bones about it.

It gives me pleasure to know this, he was such a vain, pompous twat, so full of himself and so selfish.

His wife, my friend tolerated it, and he didn't care, but the fact his son is so confident in his complete dismissal of him as a twat, really, really stings him.

His wife NEVER sticks up for him when her eldest is dismissive of him.

He was very selfish with his time when their son was small and is now living with the consequences.

OP,
Your friend has to make her choices, as do you.
Establish your boundaries and stick to it.
Lazing parenting is my line.
I have zero interest in being around parents who allow their children behave badly which impacts me.

Also my time is valuable.
I have zero tolerance for being messed about.