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Emotionally unavailable husband

43 replies

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 05:19

Just wondering who else has as emotionally unavailable partner?

How do you cope with it? Has it improved over time?

We have been together 7 years, 6 of which we have been married. I have managed to deal with his emotional unavailability to an extent, but recently have struggled with it 4 months post-partum. My hormones are not helping.along with the isolation of being a new mum.

Lots of other positives in the relationship. Just need some words of encouragement. I feel like I’m dwelling on it a lot and over thinking to the point of wanting to end my marriage on a daily basis.

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eztiger · 29/08/2022 06:25

I’m sorry you’re experiencing this. When you say he’s emotionally unavailable, what does that mean in terms of how he behaves day to day?

Festoonlights · 29/08/2022 07:20

We need some examples op.

parkloaf · 29/08/2022 07:23

It's difficult to say without knowing what's gone on

All I can say after a 10 year marriage with an emotionally unavailable Man our marriage has just disintegrated and in the space of a fortnight it's like I don't even know him

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 07:31

He avoids any level of deep conversation that touches on the boundaries of our relationship. Can spend a lot of time alone just watching TV
or prefers to spend time with his friends or brothers. His biggest thing is lack of empathy and compassion at times, this has been the hardest post partum. He has always been like this but I FEEL it more now.

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parkloaf · 29/08/2022 07:49

Yes sounds very familiar. Unfortunately our marriage hasn't survived it x

Festoonlights · 29/08/2022 07:57

I don’t think you can get past the traits you describe. Why did you marry him op? He sounds awful

Dacquoise · 29/08/2022 08:05

Have a look at dismissive avoidant attachment style. Does any of it ring true with your relationship? It would need a lot of therapy to improve his style of relating if he is avoidant and unfortunately they don't tend to see anything wrong with keeping a distance so may be unwilling to work on it. It stems from childhood and relationships with parents.

You may be anxious preoccupied yourself which is a common attraction for these types of relationship which can be very lonely. I was married to a dismissive avoidant. It never got any better and I moved on. Now with a more secure partner and more secure myself after a lot of therapy.

Would he consider relationship counseling?

parkloaf · 29/08/2022 08:41

@Dacquoise

Dismissive avoidant and anxious preoccupied rings very true for my STBEXH and I

Honestly it was emotionally exhausting constantly carrying the emotional load for the two of us. As devastated as I am at the end of our marriage - deep down I know it's for the best - I deserve to be with someone who wants to talk, make plans, support me emotionally

0live · 29/08/2022 08:43

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 07:31

He avoids any level of deep conversation that touches on the boundaries of our relationship. Can spend a lot of time alone just watching TV
or prefers to spend time with his friends or brothers. His biggest thing is lack of empathy and compassion at times, this has been the hardest post partum. He has always been like this but I FEEL it more now.

So he doesn’t want to spend any time with you, is that right?

Can you give examples of his lack of empathy and compassion ?

User0610134057 · 29/08/2022 08:44

I can relate to this too
and after a very long process I am now resolved to end it in the next couple of weeks.
you are all over the place with post natal hormones etc. but I would make a note of the things that have happened/things that have upset you. See if you still feel the same way in a few months or if it passes.

i went through stages of thinking I had to end it, then thought I could carry on but get my emotional needs met elsewhere eg. with friends.

am now totally resolved that it’s the right thing to end it. My kids are older now but he has been/is totally emotionally unavailable or just unavailable generally to them too. Which is heartbreaking to see.

part of me wishes I’d done this when they were younger so they didn’t remember.

User0610134057 · 29/08/2022 08:45

And I did try to get him along to couples counselling a few times over the last few years but he refused and now we’re past that.
might be worth a shot in your case

Ilovecrisps2021 · 29/08/2022 08:46

Mine also struggles with emotions - he has a very overbearing, emotional, domineering mother. He grew up in a household where he couldn't display emotion for fear of upsetting her, and they are a household that never said they loved each other. Completely weird.
It used to really bother me, I had the same issues postpartum, we had a rocky patch and it was genuinely like he could not understand anything I said to him about it.
Things have improved, he does show love in different ways. Sounds awful but what seems to have improved it is that a friends wife of 11 years just left him for the same reasons. Neither of them go out on huge sessions with the boys, but they also didn't seem to see the value in "date nights", anything emotional etc.
Good luck x

wheredidIleavemystyle · 29/08/2022 09:09

Could he be on the spectrum? My DP is emotionally unavailable and lacks empathy.

That doesn't mean he's unkind or lacks sympathy for other people. In fact, he can be a very generous and lovely man who often puts others first. However when it comes to communication about anything deeper or putting himself in someone else's shoes e.g. understanding the impact of his actions on others, it's like there's a brick wall that makes it impossible.

I used to think that everyone wanted to connect on a deeper lever, really, and it was just a matter of time, that he'd trust me enough to open up to me eventually. I now think this is just isn't true. Some people just don't want to communicate on a deeper level, and that's fine. Except it's not fine for you if you're in a relationship with someone like that and you do need that deeper connection.

I've come to understand that DP expresses his love through actions. I strongly suspect that if he was with someone who also expressed their love in this way, also didn't feel the need for deeper conversation they would have a good chance of being very happy together.

But I feel desperately lonely and the lack of connection just doesn't work for me. I feel like a huge, essential part of myself is being neglected and withering. It's a fundamental incompatibility. Through time I've come to appreciate that no one is right or wrong here, but we would simply be better off with other people who are more suitable for each of us. I am never going to be happy living without an emotional connection and he regards our relationship issues as a failure and that hurts him.

It reminds me a lot of my childhood - my mum is on the spectrum and I found the lack of easy emotional connection incredibly difficult.

My eldest is also on the spectrum. And I now suspect DP brain is wired like that also.

Some people just can't do empathy. It's very, very difficult to be in a relationship with someone like this if you need connection to feel whole.

For reasons I won't go into here, we're still together in that we're living in the same house and parenting the DC together. People see us as a couple. But we've slept in different rooms and not been intimate in years now. The situation is far from ideal and I don't recommend it.

I cope with it on a day-to-day level by understanding that DP is incapable of change, I am less angry with him about it. I'm more understanding that he can't help it. But I recognise that I am fundamentally unhappy and he is also.

I expect a lot of couples rub along like this for years, with the man happy enough as long as his partner suppresses her needs and the woman increasingly empty, unhappy and unfulfilled. I'm not surprised so many women find lesbianism in later life. (And I mean that seriously, not flippantly).

Flashinglights234 · 29/08/2022 09:25

12 years I am currently experiencing this and it’s isolating and soul destroying! Does he talk about the future? About his day? Ask about you about yours? My partner will hug me sometimes but won’t so much as give me an a clue as to how he’s feeling and will be critical of my feelings. I often do not have a single clue about how his day has been or what he’s thinking or feeling. He has no MH problems he’s just not emotionally intelligent or he actually doesn’t want to talk to me. He can say more on a 5 min phone call to his mate that he can to me all day. I don’t add to this problem, ill
always try to talk but he shuts it down. He Will not express future plans either. It doesn’t get any better, you end up feeling like a ghost!

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 09:35

Yes he has a very over bearing mother and his parents had a toxic relationship. He was very self aware, or so I thought when we met, saying he never wanted a relationship like that. He was also extremely passionate, which was flattering. This changed a few months after marriage though.

He is a workaholic, running his own business, and is consumed by that most of the time. that’s his excuse for not being around or wanting to talk as he is tired. He shuts down or gets defensive in our serious conversations. He also doesn’t really see the value in date nights or celebrating special events like anniversaries or birthdays. It was my birthday yesterday, I’m currently at my parents for a few nights and he has not even messaged to wish me happy birthday. In fact he never initiates phone calls or messages….

He is very charming and chatty to everyone else though. He can be with me too but this is becoming few and far between. This is my second marriage and I can’t face another separation. We’ve been through so much, we had a still burn and fertility issues. Now we finally have a baby, I thought things wouldn’t be this hard at this point in my life.

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0live · 29/08/2022 09:48

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 09:35

Yes he has a very over bearing mother and his parents had a toxic relationship. He was very self aware, or so I thought when we met, saying he never wanted a relationship like that. He was also extremely passionate, which was flattering. This changed a few months after marriage though.

He is a workaholic, running his own business, and is consumed by that most of the time. that’s his excuse for not being around or wanting to talk as he is tired. He shuts down or gets defensive in our serious conversations. He also doesn’t really see the value in date nights or celebrating special events like anniversaries or birthdays. It was my birthday yesterday, I’m currently at my parents for a few nights and he has not even messaged to wish me happy birthday. In fact he never initiates phone calls or messages….

He is very charming and chatty to everyone else though. He can be with me too but this is becoming few and far between. This is my second marriage and I can’t face another separation. We’ve been through so much, we had a still burn and fertility issues. Now we finally have a baby, I thought things wouldn’t be this hard at this point in my life.

When you say passionate, do you mean that he was very keen to have lots of sex? But then he stopped a few months after you married.

And he was charming and chatty to you then, when you were dating. But now that is increasingly infrequent too.

That sounds like he was just acting that way to reel you in. And he can still be nice to other people , not you. So it’s not autism or any kind of disability or mental health problem, is it ? It’s just he doesn’t want to.

He doesn’t need to waste his valuable time with you because he knows you can’t leave - you are trapped.

He doesn’t want to spend time with you or his child. You don’t have sex. He doesn’t want to talk to you, go on dates, have phone calls or messages - is that right?

Im trying to understand what your “ marriage” actually consists of . It sounds like you are his unpaid live in housekeeper and nanny.

eztiger · 29/08/2022 09:49

This sounds exactly like my ex husband. He is also completely absorbed by his work to the exclusion of everything else, which left me picking up the burden on everything with no physical or emotional support. It’s a miserable place to be

I’m now three years post separation and find myself craving physical and emotional intimacy, and yet totally unable to cope with it. My advice would be to address it with him sooner rather than later - if he has no willingness to acknowledge or address it, then the best thing to do would be to move on.

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 09:51

I’ve looked up dismissive avoidant attachment and that very much is him. I feel a light bulb moment! I guess it’s him and not me. The more I push feelings and emotions on him, the more he is retreating. I guess I have to learn to work with it. He would never consider counselling, I have suggested this before.
His love language is acts of service, mine is communication… so I think I have to lean into his way of thinking/ behaving in order to understand him more

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MsTaz · 29/08/2022 10:01

Also @Dacquoise you are correct, it seems I have an anxious attachment. So by our very natures, we are fuelling the problem. Thank you for your response. If anything it has made me more self aware and I’ll work on myself on my part…

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spotteddicksarebestavoided · 29/08/2022 11:13

I have one like this. I am older and in second marriage too. I have accepted that it Is just the way it is.He has lots of good points, he was just never brought up to share and show affection. I just tell him what I need him to do that I know will help me and he does it. I don’t wait for him to think of it himself. I have made peace with it and am happy. First few years of life with a baby are really challenging.

Cherchezlaspice · 29/08/2022 11:21

MsTaz · 29/08/2022 09:51

I’ve looked up dismissive avoidant attachment and that very much is him. I feel a light bulb moment! I guess it’s him and not me. The more I push feelings and emotions on him, the more he is retreating. I guess I have to learn to work with it. He would never consider counselling, I have suggested this before.
His love language is acts of service, mine is communication… so I think I have to lean into his way of thinking/ behaving in order to understand him more

What ‘acts of service’ is he performing for you?

roarfeckingroarr · 29/08/2022 12:20

I have similar OP, fortunately not married (THANK YOU Covid). I'm leaving after DC2 arrives and we get through the fourth trimester. It will be amicable but this relationship leaves me feeling sad and unloved. It's taken me a long time now I accept that I can't change how he is - and he's a great person, just damaged from childhood - but I can't sacrifice my well-being forever.

I would suggest being very honest with yourself about your needs and from that work out your future.

roarfeckingroarr · 29/08/2022 12:23

I really resonate with the love languages aspect too. His is acts of service, mine are physical touch and quality time. I don't really need or emotionally value acts of service (although I always say thank you etc) but I don't feel loved without that emotional and physical engagement

0live · 29/08/2022 12:53

I’m confused about the acts of service, because you said he lacked empathy and compassion. What does he do for you as acts of service ?

What are all the good things about your marriage ?

Hollylanemystery · 29/08/2022 13:15

I think we have this dynamic in our relationship - avoidant dismissant (him) and anxious attachment (me).

My dh communicates his care for me by 'doing' and like another poster mentioned, he has a lot of good points. For example he can see or more likely hear I need some space from dc so he will take them out for the afternoon. He recognises what I'm saying and wants to help me achieve what I want which I think is important. Whereas he won't talk alot about feelings. He is steady and logical, I can be impulsive with very up and down emotions (I wonder if it would be far worse to be with someone who was also up and down with their emotions). To a large extent, I have eventually learnt to be more self-regulating and work through a lot more emotional states myself (dh is happy to lend a listening ear or solve a dilemma).

All this impacted me a lot more post-partum. I do look back with a bit of resentment that I was not understood at this time by him. But, equally, I had no-one else in my life (such as parent or sibling or friend) who understood it either, so did feel very alone with it all

I have done a lot of work on myself mainly through therapy. I am going to talk some more about this with my therapist though as it is something that bothers me (an abusive and neglectful childhood has left me unclear what it is I am exactly missing/think I'm missing). I think I have been co-dependent in the past and over time, I have come to value myself and know myself more and this co-dependency has lessened (not saying this applies to you op but just a realisation on my part) or on the other hand, I have learnt to expect less from him (again I want to work through this with therapist).

Watching this thread with interest op. I'm glad you've been able to make some realisations.