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He got the snip.

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Katerinabrandysauce123 · 28/08/2022 08:51

long post sorry. I feel incredibly down. Like worse than I’ve felt in a very long time. After I basically told him how I felt last Tuesday ( that I wasn’t sure about his decision to get vasectomy), we were basically split up. There was no room for compromise for him and with that came a sense of acceptance from myself that he didn’t want children with me. I’ve got my boy he’s got his daughter and I suppose I really should be grateful for that. He basically said he didn’t want us to break up. But I’d already told my mum everything. Told her it was over. He asked me whether I was still going with him Thursday for the vasectomy. At that point I felt like I couldn’t be with him but I would still be there for him despite my feelings. When he asked me to still go with him I had such warmth in my heart that he would reach out to me. I told him I needed some time to really accept and adjust to this. But Thursday I went with him we made a day out of it and in all honesty it ended up being a really nice day/road trip with him. But something in me was very very detached from him in a way, we had a laugh but it seemed like something had really disappeared between us , in my heart I felt like he was more a friend than the man I was once in love with. Sex has been off the table for ages because of all the arguments we’ve had. And especially now after this. I’ve had some health problems putting me off as well so we’ve not had that intimacy for a while ( he says weeks but it’s been more like 2 weeks).

There’s something in me that feels like I’m grieving something and I don’t know why, I cannot understand why I feel a sense of grief about this:(:( but it’s actually really painful unlike anything I’ve felt before really so it’s difficult to convey it to him. I was there for him Thursday and he was incredibly grateful and really appreciated my support. I was happy to be there for him because I do love him and couldn’t not be there for him especially when he asked me. I’m glad I went with him. But like I said there’s a sense of loss in a way and I don’t know why. I made a list of pros and cons for his decision. There were more pros than cons. It makes sense to me not to have more kids. But it’s that the possibility has been taken away from me. It’s much more complex than just agreeing with his decision. I have a deep sense of disappointment right now. I feel quite empty. I feel quite lost and alone. I feel like something has been taken away from me. I feel quite inadequate, not important enough to be heard by him, a bit disrespected in a wierd way, like my life is a bit meaningless, a bit frustrated that I’ve been single more or less nearly 8 years waiting and hoping for my lucky break in finding mr. right, I feel like I found him and he can’t give me the possibility of more kids. I feel I’d feel different if it was a case of him not being able to have kids for medical reason..but it’s his decision to not have kids because ‘he doesn’t want more kids’ that’s difficult for me to understand him really and whether I can base my future on such a vague and selfish explanation. I’m torn between thinking ‘well it’s his body he can do whatever he wants (which he is obviously entitled to do), and ‘he’s not considering me in his decision’. And that’s what hurts, is that I feel that I don’t really mean that much to him, he doesn’t love me as much as he says he does and it’s his way or the highway. I’m just not sure I’m strong enough to completely dismiss my own feelings and thoughts about this. There are more pros than cons to him having the snip. I’m basing all of my thoughts and feelings on the idea that I possibly may want kids when I push 40 odd, it’s that fear that I may start panicking when the big 4-0 approaches and the thought of not having given myself a chance to find somebody who is willing to give me the world.

I’ve become so distant. I’m very quiet naturally anyway but this is such a different and kind of unsettling kind of silence in me. Like I’ve been covered in a blanket, it’s in a way quite soothing, it’s a sense of detachment where nothing aggravates me or angers me, it’s more of a deep acceptance in me that I’m not allowed something, like a sense of meaning has been stripped away from me. I’m not sure if I’m making sense really. But as a woman intrinsically here to bear children….I feel trapped in that i feel like I can’t find anybody better than him who loves me like he does, we’ve bonded as a family…I feel like I can’t leave that as it’s special to me. It’s what I’ve wanted. A little family even if we don’t have a child together we have two beautiful ones between us. I should be grateful there’s noway I could throw away such a blessing.

But today was difficult. His mother and uncle and aunty came to visit. And I spent the day feeling incredibly low thinking about his decision Thursday. And I cannot shake this feeling that i feel like i’m grieving something.

Bit of background. Emotionally neglected as a child by father. Abandoned by my mother when I was 8. String of toxic relationships. Had a child with a narcissist. And it scared me so much. That was nearly 8 years ago. Tried dating/relationships but they’ve always ended badly. Finally found somebody who was willing to fight for me and stick around. Felt loved. Got pregnant and he told me to get rid of it. Now he’s done this vasectomy and doesn’t want any more kids. It’s like I’ve waited a long time for my happy ending and it’s not been much of a happy ending in all honesty. And it’s almost as if it’s my karma. Like I deserve this or rather i don’t deserve my happy ending. And I’m getting on a bit now. If I choose to end it there’s no guarantee I’ll find someone anyway To have more children with. I guess it’s this sense of loss that I was single for so long, left on The shelf kind of thing and i guess it’s that feeling of being ‘past it’. That disappointment that it’s never going to happen for me. Even though I should be grateful that there is somebody who loves me. It’s so complex I’m not sure how I feel myself even. The best I can describe it as is this sense of emptiness and loneliness. Even though I have him and my boy. He bought me a big bunch of flowers delivered them to me today with some nice chocolates. As a thank you to me for going with him Thursday. I got them this morning just before I was about to go to his to meet his aunty and uncle. I thanked him then he asked me a random question that made me feel a bit uncomfortable ‘do you still fancy me?’ And it may have made me feel uncomfortable because I wasn’t sure how to answer. It made me feel awkward because it was crap timing to ask. But I wasn’t massively reassuring towards him:/ I said ‘ye I do’ but just said bit awkward just before I meet your family. I’m not sure if I still have that desire towards him at this moment in time because of how low I feel and because of what he’s done. I’ve asked him to give me a bit of time to really adjust to all this. But I found today extremely overwhelming and I was very distant. It annoys me how casually he talks about the snip. He told his mum as well. And she was there today. And I just felt incredibly awkward in all honesty. His uncle and aunty mentioned his previous wedding as well which made me feel uncomfortable. I felt slightly judged by them and felt like his aunty was comparing me to his ex wife. (I get the impression the aunty got on alright with his ex wife). I increasingly because uncomfortable today although they were lovely. Deep sadness in me. He noticed but then he started having a go at me or making me feel guilty for not being intimate with him for a while. I simply haven’t felt like it because of health issues and because of him deciding to get the snip and because of arguments. The last argument we had is when I really shut down with him. It was akin to gaslighting. Yesterday he decided to change his Facebook status to ‘in a relationship’. I told him I do need time to think about and process what’s happened but that I can’t throw away what I have now, him and this small family, I can’t throw that away. So he did that, bought me flowers…yet today he had a go at me for not showing interest in him sexually. Felt incredibly awkward because his family were around but I literally couldn’t bring myself to be normal or affectionate with him. I don’t know why I’m like this it’s such a fucked up situation to be in and I’ve not really experienced anything like this before. It’s so difficult. And I came home earlier with my boy and I can’t even bring myself to message him:/ I genuinely don’t know what to say to him without it sounding formal or detached. Plus I have no idea how to make sense of what I’m feeling right now anyway so don’t want to make things worse. He’s more concerned about me not showing any sexual interest. I literally don’t know what to say to him.

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:05

He hasn't done anything wrong

See above.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:06

The only thing he had done "right" is have a vasectomy so he's not coercing op (or any other woman) into an abortion again.

RudsyFarmer · 28/08/2022 10:07

Well he’s just stamped all over your dreams hasn’t he? It’s completely his decision to make and to be honest I kind of admire him for being decisive in the face of a lot of emotional pressure. However for you it’s certainly a grief. You had hopes and dreams that included more children with him and he’s crashed and burned those. You’re angry with him but also I suspect know your being irrational.

i would honestly have felt exactly the same as you. I doubt you’ll get over this and you’ll move on.

Katerinabrandysauce123 · 28/08/2022 10:08

Logically, having the abortion was the right thing to do. Emotionally it’s a bit more complex. Logically him having the snip is his decision I have no control over that I supported him whatever because I do love him. In my mind it’s me that has to deal with the emotional stuff and that’s what I’m struggling with. He’s happy he’s had the snip, laughs about it, open about it etc. It’s me that was breaking down in public after the abortion, it’s me who has to compromise about the vasectomy. Like I said his choice but it’s not him making compromises for this relationship it’s me.

OP posts:
InsertPunHere · 28/08/2022 10:08

He’s actually done what Mumsnet is always demanding men do - he absolutely does not want any children so he’s had a vasectomy. He’s taken responsibility for his own fertility and not made it a You problem like so many men do.

Just as when you had an unplanned pregnancy, the decision was yours but he could tell you he wouldn’t stay with you, no it’s your choice. You can choose to stay with no possibly of further children or you can choose to move on.

It is perfectly natural for you to grieve the loss of one possible future.

Do you think a few days away from him would help you sort through your feelings? Could you stay with your mum for a bit? If he is a good man he’d give you space. If he won’t, he’s a bully.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:08

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 28/08/2022 09:59

You're grieving the loss of a future child, this is a big thing, something that can absolutely destroy people. The great physical, financial and emotional lengths that people will go to, to have a longed for child prove this.
And his primary concern seems to be that his dick hasn't got wet this past fortnight. Do you really want to be with this person, incapable of even basic emotional support, or understanding his part in your loss, he sounds brain dead to me.

Very well put.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 28/08/2022 10:08

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:05

I think this is just very unfortunate but it doesn't make him a bad person

Telling a woman you've impregnated that, if she proceeds with the pregnancy, you are extremely unlikely to stay with her, does make him a bad person.

That's a type of coercion.

He was honest though. Would it have been better if he'd lied and said he'd stay with her, only to leave her later on?

discombob · 28/08/2022 10:09

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:05

I think this is just very unfortunate but it doesn't make him a bad person

Telling a woman you've impregnated that, if she proceeds with the pregnancy, you are extremely unlikely to stay with her, does make him a bad person.

That's a type of coercion.

Read what I said. No, it doesn't make someone bad to not want to have children 3, 6 months in or however long. He's being realistic that things might not work out. If they had a baby, you'd just be saying he rushed in etc.

It's an unfortunate situation. The man doesn't always have to be some sinister person he didn't even say 'I'm breaking up with you!' Now THAT would've been blackmail. He said things might not work for goodness sake.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:10

but it’s not him making compromises for this relationship it’s me.

Exactly.

Which makes it not a great relationship.

Maybe it's not as valuable as you think (?)

AdamRyan · 28/08/2022 10:15

I can see a few red flags in here tbh
Pressuring you to abort a pregnancy and then getting a vasectomy is one. If he'd told you he planned a vasectomy, would you have had the abortion? I doubt it.

Going on about sex when you feel uncertain about the relationship is another. It sounds coercive, which is sexual abuse.

Then as pp mentions, your general passivity about this situation which you are quite reasonably upset about.

I wonder if your background and previous marriage are making you feel like he's a good choice when in fact he's not. It might be worth some counselling to explore that, or something like the freedom programme?

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:16

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 28/08/2022 10:08

He was honest though. Would it have been better if he'd lied and said he'd stay with her, only to leave her later on?

Why would he leave her later on.

If someone's good enough to make your life partner, be a step mother to your child, for you to become a step father to their child, combine finances, blend families with etc etc why would a baby void all of that??

(And who encourages (if call it more coerced) someone they supposedly love, who they've impregnated, and who they know would ideally like another child into a potentially very traumatic termination anyway?

Op has explained what she's gone through coming tomterns with it. Meanwhile he's nagging about shagging).

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:18

If they had a baby, you'd just be saying he rushed in etc.

No, I wouldn't have.

I know people who've had early pregnancies who are together decades later.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:20

AdamRyan · 28/08/2022 10:15

I can see a few red flags in here tbh
Pressuring you to abort a pregnancy and then getting a vasectomy is one. If he'd told you he planned a vasectomy, would you have had the abortion? I doubt it.

Going on about sex when you feel uncertain about the relationship is another. It sounds coercive, which is sexual abuse.

Then as pp mentions, your general passivity about this situation which you are quite reasonably upset about.

I wonder if your background and previous marriage are making you feel like he's a good choice when in fact he's not. It might be worth some counselling to explore that, or something like the freedom programme?

This.

I would worry op thinks a level 4 bastard is great/valuable ... Because she's been with level 8/9 bastards before.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:22

Sorry to be repetitive op, but how old are you?

Gwenhwyfar · 28/08/2022 10:24

"If someone's good enough to make your life partner, be a step mother to your child, for you to become a step father to their child, combine finances, blend families with etc etc why would a baby void all of that??
(And who encourages (if call it more coerced) someone they supposedly love, who they've impregnated, and who they know would ideally like another child into a potentially very traumatic termination anyway?"

OP said the abortion was early in the relationship before they were serious.

SleepingStandingUp · 28/08/2022 10:25

but it’s his decision to not have kids because ‘he doesn’t want more kids’ that’s difficult for me to understand him really and whether I can base my future on such a vague and selfish explanation.
Abd what's your superior

frozendaisy · 28/08/2022 10:27

You say there are more pros than cons.
You also say his decision was selfish but can you look at things from a different angle, between you you have two children. Isn't it best to throw your love time and resources into the family unit you have?

My Mr had the snip when our 2nd was 6 months old, it was a joint decision but he was so clear he didn't want anymore children with anyone. Yes it was a bit strange the day before I went with him and drove him home. But honestly the mum, uncle, auntie all coming round is, in my opinion way OTT, it's a tiny cut, laser blast, slight ache and discomfort for a couple of weeks. One guy when we went drove himself home! I mean I have never had this sort of fawning over considerably more complicated procedures.

Sounds like the whole family are making this into an episode of EastEnders.

But it's done now. As you both know having a child together doesn't mean a relationship is more solid or worthy as you have both split up with you child's other parent. If you have more love to give can you not see you building an amazing blended family together, put the money you would have spent on any future baby towards property or holidays.

Don't throw away what you have that's good for uncertain possibilities in the future. You have another child, his child, to be part of your blended family. You shouldn't replace his mum but you can be a loving "stepmum" when she isn't there.

It's not selfish to not want to bring more children into the world. I always want a girl but I didn't get one, if our third could have guaranteed been a girl perhaps we would have had three, but there were no guarantees, we can afford and have time and love for our two. It was sad that our baby days were over but we were not young, we had two healthy kids and there it stopped. And now, we have more choices, more money with only two, we didn't need bigger cars, or a slightly bigger house and can afford the x4 on holiday costs without having to give up everything else.

There is still so much you can have with him, you and your two kids together. Are you really going to throw it all away over the possibility you might have another child at some point with someone you haven't met yet and might be an arsehole?

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:30

Gwenhwyfar · 28/08/2022 10:24

"If someone's good enough to make your life partner, be a step mother to your child, for you to become a step father to their child, combine finances, blend families with etc etc why would a baby void all of that??
(And who encourages (if call it more coerced) someone they supposedly love, who they've impregnated, and who they know would ideally like another child into a potentially very traumatic termination anyway?"

OP said the abortion was early in the relationship before they were serious.

And the relationship could have gone the way it has; just as feasibly as not (!)

Let's face it, he didn't want more kids, end of. That's why he's had the vascetomy in spite of the relationship apparently becoming longterm, stable, committed/invested.

He said it because he didn't want more children, not really because he wasn't sure the relationship would work out.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:33

Op, you're super invested because he's the first "decent" man you've met in 7 yrs (and because you've blended your families to some extent) but you're actually fundamentally incompatible.

He doesn't want more kids, you do.

(Ive asked your age to try to guage feasibility for you to do so in another relationship).

Katerinabrandysauce123 · 28/08/2022 10:33

Thanks everyone for input I am starting to see things from a lot of different perspectives now. Didn’t realise I came across as so passive maybe I need to work on that. I am receiving counselling at the moment tbh so something I can discuss with her. i do feel my confidence and self esteem has been shattered. Maybe it is because previous relationship was an utter mindfuck I’m settling for bare minimum. I agree he is responsible and has every right to make this decision fair enough I agree always said it’s his choice his body. I also agree why would I even want to bring another child into this world. That feeling of grief is still there though despite knowing logically that it’s for the best. It’s seeing people announce pregnancies, newborns etc that’s really triggering me now again after him having the snip. He did give me an ultimatum essentially with the abortion, maybe there was a bit of me that thought maybe I could have it and it would be ok. He’s not bad I’m not saying he is this monster. Maybe in a couple of weeks I’ll see this in a totally different light. Right now I’m just very very deeply sad about the whole thing.

OP posts:
smooththecat · 28/08/2022 10:34

Regarding the vasectomy, I’d say his body, his choice. I think more men should take active control of their fertility. But your body, your choice also stands for you and crucially, he didn’t support that.

whumpthereitis · 28/08/2022 10:35

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:16

Why would he leave her later on.

If someone's good enough to make your life partner, be a step mother to your child, for you to become a step father to their child, combine finances, blend families with etc etc why would a baby void all of that??

(And who encourages (if call it more coerced) someone they supposedly love, who they've impregnated, and who they know would ideally like another child into a potentially very traumatic termination anyway?

Op has explained what she's gone through coming tomterns with it. Meanwhile he's nagging about shagging).

Presumably because the stressors of having an unwanted child (on his part) would be too much for the relationship to cope with.

He was honest with her as to his feelings, that wasn’t wrong of him. He wasnt threatening her, he was telling the truth. He was entitled to have his own feelings on the matter, and right to share them with her. Lying to her that he was delighted and committed to being all in when he wasn’t would be worse.

LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:38

Maybe in a couple of weeks I’ll see this in a totally different light. Right now I’m just very very deeply sad about the whole thing.

Op, pls have a look at my post at 10.02.

Katerinabrandysauce123 · 28/08/2022 10:39

@LemonDrop22 I’m 35

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 28/08/2022 10:40

Presumably because the stressors of having an unwanted child (on his part) would be too much for the relationship to cope with.

If the relationship was otherwise viable for him (as it appears to be) that would make him a pretty shitty, useless person.