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Partner's daughter difficulties

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Mottledhellibore · 25/08/2022 16:25

Sorry, it's a long read.have been with my partner for nearly ,8 years. He is a widower. We have not lived together as we have 5 children between us and it isn't practical. The usual pattern has been that I spend every other weekend with them and half school holidays when my children are with their dad. I'd meet up with friends etc during these times giving them family time too, especially when they were young and our relationship new. The ages of the kids range from 15 to 20.

I have just spent a long weekend, most of it trailing behind my partner and his 20 year old daughter in a festival. As I couldn't keep up with their walking pace. I was mostly told where we were going next. She had taken a photo of me, I never like photos taken and she knows it, it was done without me realising. She told me "you won't like it" I asked her to kindly delete it twice. Instead she laughed, she showed it to her father and they had a good old long belly laugh about it. It hurt me because I'm going through early menopause and struggling, which I have told him about. I excused myself to go to the loo and put space between us. I was later criticised by him and told I needed to grow up. That she wouldn't have made fun of me if she didn't like me.
I have always respected the needs/ wants dynamic and the need for children to be prioritised. My partner agreed for her to come home from uni during covid lockdown as she was bored, brought a friend. My boys had to lockdown with their dad and I was with my partner.
I had suggested if the plan could be paused due to vulnerable family members, and the fact that lockdown was potentially to be lifted in 2 weeks. I was seeing my boys at weekends, under covid rules. My request that masks be worn in the car when she and her friend were being picked up wasn't respected. Anyway, of course I moved out to reduce risks.
He treats her different to the sons, he comes down heavy on them.
I feel that I am not his equal adult or peer, rather she is. I have been asked to move in but I don't feel I can. I feel that whilst my partner shows he doesn't respect my feelings, show that I am important to him she will continue to undermine me on the few occasions I fo stand up for myself rather than let things pass which I usually do. I feel she is beginning to undermine me. She will lie with her dad on the sofa, legs entwined on film night, do I don't sit on the sofa. My love language is physical affection but don't make a fuss about this, just pull up a chair. She will be home from finishing uni, when I would potentially move in with my youngest. We had a lovely relationship, I don't know whether she sees me as a threat to the equilibrium of her relationship with her dad, after the covid issue. I ask him if he has thought this could be true. He told me it's all in my head.There is tension there now, I will work through this but Kim not sure if I can be with a partner who doesn't respect me.

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Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 11:47

For the negative commenters here. I have been respectful and not forced myself in to this family as they lost their mum young, as I lost my dad at 10 yrs old. I have been nothing but sensitive to this dynamic not just to my partner and kids but his whole family. I am lucky and have been accepted and loved by them all including his late wife's parents. We text and talk often. That has truly humbled me. So the competitive dynamic has never been there and that simply isn't me, not my nature. I think that me not forcing myself onto the family, maybe being too sensitive and not standing up for my own needs more, being in the periphery has set a template for this relationship. What has happened I think is the realisation that I am not respected as an adult, as an equal. Adults have needs too which you negative people don't even acknowledge. It is not a competition. It is not needy to have healthy needs and healthy boundaries.

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UnusualJobForAWoman · 26/08/2022 12:00

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 11:47

For the negative commenters here. I have been respectful and not forced myself in to this family as they lost their mum young, as I lost my dad at 10 yrs old. I have been nothing but sensitive to this dynamic not just to my partner and kids but his whole family. I am lucky and have been accepted and loved by them all including his late wife's parents. We text and talk often. That has truly humbled me. So the competitive dynamic has never been there and that simply isn't me, not my nature. I think that me not forcing myself onto the family, maybe being too sensitive and not standing up for my own needs more, being in the periphery has set a template for this relationship. What has happened I think is the realisation that I am not respected as an adult, as an equal. Adults have needs too which you negative people don't even acknowledge. It is not a competition. It is not needy to have healthy needs and healthy boundaries.

I understand a bit better now. I apologise for my earlier hasty remark.

blockpavingismynightmare · 26/08/2022 12:04

If your partner does not see that you are struggling given everything you have said then how is this ever going to be resolved? It reads like you have bent over backwards for him and his family and they now expect instead of have respect
for you and your needs are largely being ignored because this is the norm.
Why doesn't he see that what he does is shutting you out? Is it because you have endorsed it albeit unwillingly?

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:10

Maybe I have endorsed it. I think I have given to much consideration to the widower aspect and let him 'get away' with treating me badly.

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Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:13

Thank you for your apology. There is always more behind the comments in posts. I feel it's best to post constructive comments.

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UnusualJobForAWoman · 26/08/2022 12:17

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:13

Thank you for your apology. There is always more behind the comments in posts. I feel it's best to post constructive comments.

You are right of course, the subject is a sore point for me. I was treated awfully by a step parent. I recognise this is a totally different situation.

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:24

UnusualJobForAWoman · 26/08/2022 12:17

You are right of course, the subject is a sore point for me. I was treated awfully by a step parent. I recognise this is a totally different situation.

I'm saddened and truly sorry to hear that a step parent mistreated you and really can appreciate your reaction, we all have our trigger pointsx

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goody2shooz · 26/08/2022 12:25

I would rethink this relationship. He is not a kind man ‘criticising me and telling me to grow up’ and ‘telling me it’s all in my head’ when you express legitimate feelings. And the leg twining thing while you are sitting feeling like a gooseberry? Nah, that’s not nice - from both of them. You’ve given it a good try but it seems this is getting worse not better.

Ragruggers · 26/08/2022 12:34

I would wait and think very hard about moving into his house,that is a bad idea ,The only way would be to buy together but your relationship sounds rocky.I would go out and about with your children and friends see less of him.Time will be your answer.Do not give up your home.

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:39

Ragruggers · 26/08/2022 12:34

I would wait and think very hard about moving into his house,that is a bad idea ,The only way would be to buy together but your relationship sounds rocky.I would go out and about with your children and friends see less of him.Time will be your answer.Do not give up your home.

I am currently renting and hoping to buy when prices stabilise , should that ever happen. Before the weekend's realisation,my issue was the dynamic of moving in to the family home. Buying together would be the only way of getting neutrality and the hope of respectful dynamics based on it being a new home for everyone. I'm in no rush to move forward by moving in

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RelentlessForwardProgress · 26/08/2022 12:42

I can't imagine going to a festival with two people, leaving one trailing behind and taking an unkind picture of them and laughing about it in front of them. The idea that it is your partner doing this is just absolutely horrific. Its the sort of thing a 14 year old bully would do. This is not a nice man

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 12:51

This is something she does to people, though the context of me being his partner has significance here. He told me other people don't have a problem with being shown unflattering pics for a laugh. I told him he doesn't really know that and that I specifically do. He told me I should have told her "seriously"delete it. I told him asking her twice should have been more than sufficient. Do I have to ask her to "seriously" pass the teapot or "seriously" close the door behind you?

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Seaweed42 · 26/08/2022 12:53

I guess his daughter's back story is that she lost her Mum very young. Her Dad was both mother and father to her. It might also be that her Dad then started relying on her for his emotional support too. A bit like when a Dad dies and the son then becomes the 'man' of the house. This daughter became the 'woman' in the house because it seems like the Dad treats the boys differently and with less tenderness.
At the same time, you have been in a relationship with this family for 8 years.
But when it's just you, the daughter and your partner, a part of you is jealous of his attention towards her and for his part, he defers to her as the decision maker and not to you.
He's trying to make you fit into his existing life.
He doesn't want to upset his own apple cart. You seem to be the one doing all the running and compromising because you go and stay in their house all the time.

Do him and his kids every come to your house? Do both families ever go out for meals and things together or holiday together where all the kids are together?

Are you really a blended family, or are you just Dad's girlfriend who comes over every other weekend and fits in with the wishes and whims of his family?

Are you putting your needs aside in order to make things as easy as possible for him and his family? It sounds like you are reluctant to make demands on him for fear of losing the relationship.

MineIsBetterThanYours · 26/08/2022 13:08

But when it's just you, the daughter and your partner, a part of you is jealous of his attention towards her and for his part, he defers to her as the decision maker and not to you.

I don’t think that expecting to be treated well rather than being put at the bottom of the pile and be grateful for it is being jealous.
Its called knowing your boundaries and expecting your partner to be respectful for you and your boundaries. Aka having a normal and good relationship rather than an add on and is used as when needed.

fwiw the not waiting for you at the festivals because ‘they were quicker’ is something I’m finding very triggering. As someone with mobility issues, it has happened many times to me. And it has always made me felt insignificant and like people didn’t care at all.
Same with taking all the decisions because they couldn’t be bothered to wait for. you et …

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 13:18

I only had my dad until my 10th birthday so I don't know much about the father daughter dynamic but I do feel they have a close, strong bond, but to the detriment of his peer relationship with partner. He does need a better balance.We really don't see each other that much (see below) I just feel what she does is for the purpose of excluding me and have only felt that in the last year. All has been good, until recently. Had the period talk, first bra shop, boyfriend talks etc, which has been lovely, coffee dates in recent times. Moved her to uni.
We are not really blended. I am the girlfriend who stays every other weekend. He stays with me one night on a weekend my son is with me.
We have been on 3 holidays together, since losing his wife he has summer holidays with a group of uni friends and their kids. He has a camper, and goes abroad we can't all go together. I have flown out to meet them with my boys once. It's too costly for me. So we holiday apart. He is not interested in a villa type thing for us all.

Maybe I have relationship expectations when I'm just in a situationship?

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pitchforksandflamethrowers · 26/08/2022 13:20

I feel for your op. As many posters have probably said this is a DP problem. I know deep down you don't want to hear that.

I wouldn't move in with him either. The fat his gaslighting you into thinking this is normal and ok is a 🚩 to me.

The fact he treats his other Dc differently to his Dd makes me worry this is deeper issue and probably one that won't be solved easily. Even if he wanted to which seems he does not.

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 13:42

Just wandering, as I have no experience of dad/ daughter relationship but the daughter resting her head on his lower belly usual.

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pitchforksandflamethrowers · 26/08/2022 13:48

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 13:42

Just wandering, as I have no experience of dad/ daughter relationship but the daughter resting her head on his lower belly usual.

Depends imo on age. A child doing this, np.

A adult child I would find it slightly odd. That said if she's lost her mum young she may need that extra closeness.
I would still say it's a DP regardless of what she does if he's allowing it.

MineIsBetterThanYours · 26/08/2022 13:48

Maybe I have relationship expectations when I'm just in a situationship?

Thats a pretty good summary @Mottledhellibore
The fact he never bothered to make holidays work for all of you (or even you Wo your boys) is also quite telling.

He is happy fir you to be there for sex, some companionship and support for all those dreaded women issues. But not enough to actually make you part of the family.

I suspect the dd can feel it. And as he has never out a stop when she crossed boundaries, she is carrying on (see the excluding you from the sofa etc…)

MineIsBetterThanYours · 26/08/2022 13:52

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 13:42

Just wandering, as I have no experience of dad/ daughter relationship but the daughter resting her head on his lower belly usual.

I agree btw that a child doing that is ok. A teen doing that is ok.
An young adult? Depending on her maturity level, boyfriend etc… and the general circumstances (eg a very stressful time for her), I can get it too.

But doing it when your father partner is here, excluding her from the sofa etc… Nope. That’s a different kettle of fish

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 16:28

Thank you everyone who has responded. This relationship is emotionally tiring. I need to lick my wounds, because, no doubt he has hurt me, and seeing the truth of my relationship has been painful. I will spend time with my friends and family.

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billy1966 · 26/08/2022 16:36

Mottledhellibore · 26/08/2022 16:28

Thank you everyone who has responded. This relationship is emotionally tiring. I need to lick my wounds, because, no doubt he has hurt me, and seeing the truth of my relationship has been painful. I will spend time with my friends and family.

Good for you.
This is wise.

Protect yourself.
He certainly isn't going to.

Butterbean9 · 26/08/2022 16:59

I felt so sad reading this.
He doesn't have any respect for you.
His relationship with his daughter is weird and borderline creepy - 20 year olds should not be doing those things with their fathers.
I think you need to seriously think about what you're getting from this relationship and realistically what the future is going to be like. It doesn't seem like it's going to be good for you if you stay with him.

TurboQueen · 26/08/2022 19:14

Definitly a DP problem here. Hes shown he has no respect you or your feelings. He should pull his DD up on her behaviour. You really should reconsider the relationship.

theonlygirl · 26/08/2022 20:42

Yeah, the head on the chest and the intertwined legs, very weird to me. Very. The daughter is clearly telling you who is in charge, which in my view is unnecessary, she's not a young child. I know you have invested many years in this relationship but this, and their behaviour at the festival isn't very nice. I don't like the dynamic at all from what you describe. If i were you I'd be taking a big step back, so you can work out if you are meaningful or just convenient .

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