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He never listens to a thing I say

66 replies

Dozeydate · 23/08/2022 15:56

Does any one else's other half do this? Communication in miniscule in the relationship as it is. Most of the conversation is about the children, and anything other just goes unheard on his behalf. I will listen to anything he has to say, but he doesn't talk to me much at all about anything unless it is rubbing his ego. I ask questions but he never gives me any detailed answers. When I do try and talk to him about his day, it feels like a one way conversation. When I try to tell him about my day he will literally walk off, not because he's busy, he will walk off into the garden, or another room while I'm mid-sentence. Or he will completely interrupt my sentence by making an unrelated closed comment, or he will turn to the kids and start talking to them instead. I can even stop what i'm saying mid sentence and he will not even realise as he was not even listening in the first place. Gosh I feel so unheard. It's really annoying when the only company you have had all day is from young children and you can't even engage in adult conversation. I don't know if this is an issue or just me overreacting.

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spotteddicksarebestavoided · 24/08/2022 20:08

I hope you don’t mind me asking what the situation with intimacy is?
Did he ever suggest he loved you? I find it hard to believe that he must have cancelled the £50 when you started earning. How mean and miserly.

He is abusive and is making you stay by making you feel you have it good with him. You don’t- you are enslaved to this horrible man. You need a good lawyer.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 24/08/2022 20:19

What a cunt this man is. Wishing you all the best OP, I am willing you on to escape.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 20:26

spotteddicksarebestavoided · 24/08/2022 20:08

I hope you don’t mind me asking what the situation with intimacy is?
Did he ever suggest he loved you? I find it hard to believe that he must have cancelled the £50 when you started earning. How mean and miserly.

He is abusive and is making you stay by making you feel you have it good with him. You don’t- you are enslaved to this horrible man. You need a good lawyer.

I will get out, I just need a few months to save.
He did stop the money when I got a part time job as a teaching assistant. However, he would and still will provide me with money should I need it, for example the children need school uniform, he will give me the money for it so I can’t get it. Or if I need some new clothing, he will give me the money should I ask for it.

He has and does many times tell me he loves me. Intimacy is a tricky one though. We have spells where we can be intimate and cuddle etc to absolute nothing and not talk properly for weeks. For example, he’s come in from work tonight, I’ve asked how his day was and he couldn’t so much as look me in the eye to so “it was fine” not sure what the problem is tonight as there hasn’t really been a conversation. Last week he was fine and less moody.
Sex is very sporadic and we have had issues there for a long time but that I’m very used to don’t feel I need to complain about to anymore.

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Lbushsgkm · 24/08/2022 20:29

Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 10:16

Being a doormat comes with a prize tag OP. And yes, your partner is a controlling jerk (with all my due respect). After two children and being a housewife while taking care of his kids he should have married you, he doesn’t because it’s his way of keeping you on a short lease. “You’ll walk with nothing if you step
out if this marriage” is a horrible and very manipulative thing to say to a partner.

I hope he’s good in other aspects because it sounds like a miserable situation.

100% this, he doesn’t want to relinquish any control and he knows this gives him the upper hand – always ready to pull out the bag and put you back in your place with

Dozeydate · 02/09/2022 22:33

I told him this evening that I am moving out! He just said “yeah it was always going to happen” and he walked off. So I replied that I am being serious, and he replies again “yeah I know. I’m going bed”

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Fedupgirl2022 · 03/09/2022 00:14

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Aikko · 03/09/2022 07:19

This thread made really sad reading, in that there are still many women being taken complete advantage of by men, and don’t fight for what is fair in a relationship.

Nothing more to add, only do listen to the excellent advice given by others.

Sparkletastic · 03/09/2022 07:36

Stop wasting any energy on trying to talk to him. Excellent that you are starting a job and planning to separate.

Dozeydate · 03/09/2022 08:31

Sparkletastic · 03/09/2022 07:36

Stop wasting any energy on trying to talk to him. Excellent that you are starting a job and planning to separate.

Oh I’m not trying to talk to him. I told him I’m leaving him and I got the exact response I expected which was nothing. I certainly wasn’t testing the waters, I’ve absolutely made my mind up :)

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layladomino · 03/09/2022 08:46

I'm so pleased you've made the decision to leave him, it's the right one without doubt.

You've said he isn't abusive, but have described an abusive marriage. Silent treatment, gaslighting, financial control, threats, total disrespect and disregard for your feelings. He is abusive.

Your financial situation is so unfair... Although you aren't married, he treats the money as thought it's his, to bestow (small amounts) on you as he wishes. But you gave up / reduced your work for your joint children. He should have taken an equal hit on that. The arrangement you have - where you've taken all the financial hit for having children - makes no sense at all. If he thinks that's fair, he's either a bit dim or very abusive.

You will be so much better off without him.

layladomino · 03/09/2022 08:46

Ignore the 'although you aren't married' from my last para. I changed direction and didn't delete it!

Dozeydate · 03/09/2022 08:56

layladomino · 03/09/2022 08:46

I'm so pleased you've made the decision to leave him, it's the right one without doubt.

You've said he isn't abusive, but have described an abusive marriage. Silent treatment, gaslighting, financial control, threats, total disrespect and disregard for your feelings. He is abusive.

Your financial situation is so unfair... Although you aren't married, he treats the money as thought it's his, to bestow (small amounts) on you as he wishes. But you gave up / reduced your work for your joint children. He should have taken an equal hit on that. The arrangement you have - where you've taken all the financial hit for having children - makes no sense at all. If he thinks that's fair, he's either a bit dim or very abusive.

You will be so much better off without him.

Thank you. I think I’m prepared now to put all my what ifs behind me and just face them head on!
it was the nail in the coffin the other day when we went for a 5 mile walk with the kids and he didn’t talk to me the whole way and actually didn’t walk with me, to the point he was out of sight, pathetic! Further hostility and silent treatment this week for no reasons, and yesterday a waitress complimented my top and he laughed and said “No, she looks like a teacosey” now I understand this could be joke but he gives so many insults via jokes that I don’t find him funny. He’s done nothing but criticise my every action all week. He’s a mean and bitter man.
But what ever; won’t be my issue for much longer. Just pray the next woman is more wiser that I was!

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Lysco · 03/09/2022 08:58

My friend sent me this thread as it mirrors my situation- except I was married. 18 years. Lots of control issues. The financial control was the worst - zero money given for anything - although I could ask for money and explain what I needed it for and he might give me a contribution. Lots of silent treatment during the marriage if I didn’t do what he wanted or if I asserted myself.
He always hid his wealth and assets. I never knew his income other than seeing that he bought himself very expensive cars and ran a successful business. I was a p/t stay at home mum with 3 kids. He paid mortgage/bills. I struggled to pay for clothing, things for kids, holidays, my car/petrol etc…I worked 1-2 days a week and lived off that. He offset his tax against mine so I ended up paying most of my earnings out in tax (and childcare fees).

Why did I stay so long? I thought it could be worse: I lived in a nice house; he wasn’t physically aggressive. I was scared to leave as I hadn’t enough money to rent somewhere. The marital home was in his name and I had moved in with him - he made it clear that I would be the one moving out. If ever I said I wanted a divorce he would reply ‘you are not taking the kids’. I felt powerless. How could I leave with 3 kids and nowhere to live? My self esteem was non-existent. I went for counselling for 2 years before I finally left. I had managed to keep £10k in the bank (a savings account from pre-marriage that I had kept secret on my mums good advice!).

When I eventually left, he said he would never pay maintenance, would never give me a penny, and wanted the kids 50%. I had no choice as I needed to earn to afford to live and couldn’t do that and look after kids full time. I accepted. It was ok - I needed the break from the kids anyway as we were moving into a small 2 bedroom house. The marital home had 7 bedrooms, so we had a period of adjustment, but the kids found it an exciting adventure and argued about who got to sleep on the floor - we only had 2 beds to start with - and later, when I bought a second hand bed settee (a triumphant find in a charity shop, who delivered it for £10), they argued about who got to ‘camp’ in the lounge :) The days that he had the kids I worked long hours to earn as much as possible. I managed. I lived frugally, which i was good at from my married days! Mums from school handed down their kids’ old uniforms and clothing. I got furniture from charity shops. I collected fire wood from local woods to heat the house (i was worried about affording the heating bills). I even managed to take the kids on holiday for a week each year.

My biggest mistake was not breaking into his home office before leaving to photograph his pensions, his bank statements, his other assets. (He changed the locks on the house the day I left). It cost me a fortune through solicitors to get this information- and then it was not truthful information/full disclosure. I tried to take it to court but too costly, so my financial settlement was not as it ought to have been. And it took 4.5 years to get!

I was terrified at the start but it was empowering. The biggest financial drain and worry was paying my solicitor for divorce proceedings. My ex failed to respond to any legal matters. It has been a long, hard road. Emotionally and physically draining. Financially terrifying. There have been some exceedingly low points. But I survived. Now I am rebuilding my life. I have lots of friends. I can afford to do things I want. My kids are happy, well adjusted, doing well at school. I have increased my earnings substantially. I miss my beautiful, old marital home, but that is all. He continues to have the kids 50% but he passes this care to others. He has a paid housekeeper and gardener. He buys takeaways. He seems happy. He still blames me for leaving him: he says it was my ‘choice’. I am glad I made the ‘choice’.

OnTheBrinkOfChange · 03/09/2022 09:06

I'm really glad you're getting out. I really hate the fact that higher earners can insist on 50:50 purely to avoid child support.

Dozeydate · 03/09/2022 09:11

Lysco · 03/09/2022 08:58

My friend sent me this thread as it mirrors my situation- except I was married. 18 years. Lots of control issues. The financial control was the worst - zero money given for anything - although I could ask for money and explain what I needed it for and he might give me a contribution. Lots of silent treatment during the marriage if I didn’t do what he wanted or if I asserted myself.
He always hid his wealth and assets. I never knew his income other than seeing that he bought himself very expensive cars and ran a successful business. I was a p/t stay at home mum with 3 kids. He paid mortgage/bills. I struggled to pay for clothing, things for kids, holidays, my car/petrol etc…I worked 1-2 days a week and lived off that. He offset his tax against mine so I ended up paying most of my earnings out in tax (and childcare fees).

Why did I stay so long? I thought it could be worse: I lived in a nice house; he wasn’t physically aggressive. I was scared to leave as I hadn’t enough money to rent somewhere. The marital home was in his name and I had moved in with him - he made it clear that I would be the one moving out. If ever I said I wanted a divorce he would reply ‘you are not taking the kids’. I felt powerless. How could I leave with 3 kids and nowhere to live? My self esteem was non-existent. I went for counselling for 2 years before I finally left. I had managed to keep £10k in the bank (a savings account from pre-marriage that I had kept secret on my mums good advice!).

When I eventually left, he said he would never pay maintenance, would never give me a penny, and wanted the kids 50%. I had no choice as I needed to earn to afford to live and couldn’t do that and look after kids full time. I accepted. It was ok - I needed the break from the kids anyway as we were moving into a small 2 bedroom house. The marital home had 7 bedrooms, so we had a period of adjustment, but the kids found it an exciting adventure and argued about who got to sleep on the floor - we only had 2 beds to start with - and later, when I bought a second hand bed settee (a triumphant find in a charity shop, who delivered it for £10), they argued about who got to ‘camp’ in the lounge :) The days that he had the kids I worked long hours to earn as much as possible. I managed. I lived frugally, which i was good at from my married days! Mums from school handed down their kids’ old uniforms and clothing. I got furniture from charity shops. I collected fire wood from local woods to heat the house (i was worried about affording the heating bills). I even managed to take the kids on holiday for a week each year.

My biggest mistake was not breaking into his home office before leaving to photograph his pensions, his bank statements, his other assets. (He changed the locks on the house the day I left). It cost me a fortune through solicitors to get this information- and then it was not truthful information/full disclosure. I tried to take it to court but too costly, so my financial settlement was not as it ought to have been. And it took 4.5 years to get!

I was terrified at the start but it was empowering. The biggest financial drain and worry was paying my solicitor for divorce proceedings. My ex failed to respond to any legal matters. It has been a long, hard road. Emotionally and physically draining. Financially terrifying. There have been some exceedingly low points. But I survived. Now I am rebuilding my life. I have lots of friends. I can afford to do things I want. My kids are happy, well adjusted, doing well at school. I have increased my earnings substantially. I miss my beautiful, old marital home, but that is all. He continues to have the kids 50% but he passes this care to others. He has a paid housekeeper and gardener. He buys takeaways. He seems happy. He still blames me for leaving him: he says it was my ‘choice’. I am glad I made the ‘choice’.

Thank you so much for sharing this. I’m so happy that you have finally got on your feet and things are looking better. I understand exactly how you must have been feeling as I’m going through it right now, but really happy that you’ve got to a better place.
This really does mirror my situation so much. I have £24 in my bank currently and I’m at home with two kids! When I worked part time, I had to pay the childcare fees from my wages like you. I’ll get my first wage from my job in a couple of weeks and it’s being saved for a rent deposit. I’ve come to terms with the idea that I will have a small rented house and will buy from charity shops. also that he will blame me no matter what. The only thing I hope is that I can’t find some where near my mum as I don’t have a single friend. My mum and siblings are my friends so I’ll make sure I have them close by.

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Dozeydate · 03/09/2022 09:13

OnTheBrinkOfChange · 03/09/2022 09:06

I'm really glad you're getting out. I really hate the fact that higher earners can insist on 50:50 purely to avoid child support.

This is exactly the reason. He begrudges adjusting his work schedule for the kids at the best of times yet thinks he will manage 50/50. I don’t work school holidays but he insists he will still take 3 weeks off in the summer. He’s giving the BS that he’s going to retire now.

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