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He never listens to a thing I say

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Dozeydate · 23/08/2022 15:56

Does any one else's other half do this? Communication in miniscule in the relationship as it is. Most of the conversation is about the children, and anything other just goes unheard on his behalf. I will listen to anything he has to say, but he doesn't talk to me much at all about anything unless it is rubbing his ego. I ask questions but he never gives me any detailed answers. When I do try and talk to him about his day, it feels like a one way conversation. When I try to tell him about my day he will literally walk off, not because he's busy, he will walk off into the garden, or another room while I'm mid-sentence. Or he will completely interrupt my sentence by making an unrelated closed comment, or he will turn to the kids and start talking to them instead. I can even stop what i'm saying mid sentence and he will not even realise as he was not even listening in the first place. Gosh I feel so unheard. It's really annoying when the only company you have had all day is from young children and you can't even engage in adult conversation. I don't know if this is an issue or just me overreacting.

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thenewduchessoflapland · 24/08/2022 11:46

I'm not surprised you two aren't married;that's definitely deliberate on his part as otherwise you'd have a legal claim to his assets.

You are in an abusive relationship;he's made so you're trapped;it's his house,his money and the 50/50 thing is so he doesn't have to pay maintenance and it's the fact he keeps reminding you of it too;the deliberately ignoring you and making you feel as though you don't matter is abuse too as the old "you don't know how good you've got it" chestnut ;it's the same as telling you you can't do any better than him;you might not know this but you're the victim of coercion.

Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 11:47

Wombat27A · 24/08/2022 11:36

But he might throw you out once the kids are bigger & you'll have to start from scratch then.

He's bullying you.

He might throw her out once the kids are older and he doesn’t need a nanny anymore or once her young looks have faded.

LittleOwl153 · 24/08/2022 11:56

Get saving. Pay NOTHING from your wages towards the household - make him pay for the nanny/housekeeper service he is getting from you. Infact increase your hours seek promotion and he can pay the actual costs of these things...

I'd also look at whether you can seek some claim on the house. It is less possible as you are not married but you can register your interest which will at least mean you will get warning of any attempt to sell/take a mortgage on it etc... worth seeking advice.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 12:34

@LittleOwl153 This is a work in progress. I realised years ago how financially vulnerable I was when I was living of his £50 per week allowance as a stay at home mum, so I looked to enhance my job prospects, equally though I genuinely thought if I better myself he would think better of me and see me more as equal. I had this deluded idea that when I get a better job we would be a better family and I’d be able to have more say in decision making. I now don’t think this will actually happen.

I start a new post in September and I will start to save, and if I work really hard then I will secure myself an annual pay rise. I don’t want his house, or a chunk of anything, or so much as a spoon from here, could do with some blooming courage though. My own thoughts are me own worst enemy!

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Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 12:41

He”s a high earner and gives you 50 pounds allowance per week? Are you kiddin? I make 30 k a year and 50 pounds a week is my “coffee money”.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 12:55

Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 12:41

He”s a high earner and gives you 50 pounds allowance per week? Are you kiddin? I make 30 k a year and 50 pounds a week is my “coffee money”.

Yeah, but he did pay for everything else at the time and I wasn’t working so couldn’t complain. I can’t say exactly how much the outgoings would equal to as I have no handle over the outgoings. There are no debts though. He not a high earner I guess, perhaps above average, he earns between 40k and 50k a year, plus property income. I can’t say for sure as I’ve never seen so much as a bank statement. I don’t actually get an allowance anymore as I’ve been working part time and studying so that stopped. He doesn’t mind me asking for money for something specific though, although I hate asking as I feel like it’s begging and on the same point there’s not much I need!

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Pixiedust1234 · 24/08/2022 13:13

if its his house dont pay a single penny towards it. Any child bills, eg clothing, gets halved. Save every single pay packet for your escape fund. He IS abusing you.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 14:34

Thanks all, I’ll take on board all the advise while I navigate towards a plan.

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Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 14:42

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 14:34

Thanks all, I’ll take on board all the advise while I navigate towards a plan.

Your plan should be called “going to a divorce lawyer and getting myself informed regarding what I’m financially entitled to if I ever walk out of this marriage”.

Anything else is magical thinking. Information is power but you don’t seem to be comfortable the latter?

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 14:47

Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 14:42

Your plan should be called “going to a divorce lawyer and getting myself informed regarding what I’m financially entitled to if I ever walk out of this marriage”.

Anything else is magical thinking. Information is power but you don’t seem to be comfortable the latter?

As stated previously, I am not married my to my other half, he is 20 years older than me and had his own financial security when we met whereas I did not. I’m therefore not entitled to anything, I don’t wish to claim anything that I am not entitled to. You live and learn as the old saying goes.

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Drinkingpop · 24/08/2022 14:55

You have raised the children and presumably done all the household stuff. How can you say you don't deserve anything? He's a bloke with a job, not some sort of benevolent god who you should worship for giving you some pin money.

Do you think this is what happens in healthy relationships? That the woman sacrifices everything and should be grateful for her lot?

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 15:04

Drinkingpop · 24/08/2022 14:55

You have raised the children and presumably done all the household stuff. How can you say you don't deserve anything? He's a bloke with a job, not some sort of benevolent god who you should worship for giving you some pin money.

Do you think this is what happens in healthy relationships? That the woman sacrifices everything and should be grateful for her lot?

Of course I don’t think this is ‘healthy’ although he would argue that we have a very healthy relationship.
This hasn’t happened over night though, this relationship started when I was only 20/21 and eager to please. If I had it in me to fight for money or assets then I would, but really just don’t. I would not win that fight, I know I wouldn’t. I have my job secured now and can start to save. Think I just needed a bit of courage and other peoples perspective hence this thread. 🙂

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Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 15:20

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 14:47

As stated previously, I am not married my to my other half, he is 20 years older than me and had his own financial security when we met whereas I did not. I’m therefore not entitled to anything, I don’t wish to claim anything that I am not entitled to. You live and learn as the old saying goes.

You’ve been a home maker for 12 years, cleaning his shyte and taking care of his children, yes you are morally entitled to “stuff”, even if your low self esteem and the law dictates differently.

HotWashCycle · 24/08/2022 16:00

It is sad that you feel so lacking in entitlement to something in this relationship OP. If you end it, which looks like the best option, you will have all your earnings to yourself, and he will have to pay maintenance for the DC - and it should be considerably more than £50 per week. Get yourself to a hotshot lawyer, get advice particularly about the house, so you know for certain what your situation is, and don't take any more nonsense from this arrogant and miserable sod. Have a good life with your DC but do get that legal advice first.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2022 16:23

Dozeykate

re your comment:
"I do not feel like I am in an abusive relationship, communication is so little that’s it’s hard to have an argument anyway! I don’t feel I’m being abused, but disrespected maybe. There is absolutely no evidence where I prove any kind of abuse. His disrespect is subtle, and through body language, insults disguised as jokes, not acknowledging me when he walks in from work, silent treatments, making my job appear not to be important, but this is not all the time! There’s the good and bad like in most relationships but this makes it even harder to point out. He is a great provider financially and takes care of our needs but makes it clear that if I go I will leave with nothing other than 50% of the kids. I start a new post in a few weeks and reckon I can manage to put £500 a month away (while living as a couple) I will need rent deposit, car deposit, and money for furniture. It a seems like a lot to accomplish!"

What is your definition of abuse then if not your relationship with this man?. I guess you never got the memo that the only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is NONE. Abuse is about power and control; it is not solely physical in nature if you are thinking about and of abuse in those terms. This man has got absolute power and control over you here and he knows it. His silent treatment is an example of emotional abuse and a way of "punishing" you for any slight or misdeamour you commit in his head. He targeted you because amongst other things you were young, highly impressionable and easy to manipulate due to having no real life experience. I am not altogether surprised he is 20 years older; a woman with more life experience would never have wanted a relationship with him. So he went for a younger woman deliberately.

"He’s already told me he will never ever want us to separate and if we do it will be my choice so I’ll leave with nothing as I came with nothing. He will purposely not accept any contributions to the mortgage as he doesn’t want me to have any hand in it at all… his trail of thinking just doesn’t equate to what I feel a family lifestyle should be. But I often get told by him that I don’t know how lucky I am to have a man like him, there’s no one better, and I’d be living in the gutter without him because he does so much for me. I’m genuinely worried I will be living at rock bottom without him and worry that I won’t be able to cope on my own and my kids will miss out of many of the comforts they have now. It such a big and scary decision"

He does not want to share and never has either. His decision not to marry you or share assets is deliberate. Mean with money, mean with love is a phrase I would apply to him. I am not surprised he does not want to separate from you; if he does his cushy life at your overall expense because you do everything comes to an end. He would then have to find another sap of a woman (these men hate women and all of them) to take your place and he is far too lazy to want to do that. There are better men than he; you cannot spend the rest of your days shackled to such an abuser. Better to be on your own with your kids also (again this wanting 50% of the week is often cited by such men again as a means of control) than to remain with your abuser under any circumstances. They will know, if they do not already know, that you as their mum are being controlled and otherwise abused here. Creature comforts count for nothing where there is abuse present within the household. Its time you found out who you really are and bust out of this cage of his own making he has put you in.

Do the kids have his surname?. Yet more power and control handed over to him if this is the case. Is this really the role model of a relationship you want to be showing your kids and for them to potentially emulate too. No it is not. Children are perceptive and they will pick up on all of your reactions here, both spoken and unspoken. Worse still, they could blame themselves for their parents relationship troubles.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2022 16:28

Abuse like you have described creeps up on people unawares and by degrees.

Saving up takes time and in the meantime that money will likely go on the household and kids. It could well take you a long time, years even, in which to save and in those intervening years he will continue to rob you of your life itself.

In the longer term address through counselling why you were so bloody eager to please (and please who?). People pleasing often stems from wanting to parent please.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2022 16:31

Do your parents know the full truth here about your life with this man?. Abuse too thrives on secrecy.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 17:13

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2022 16:31

Do your parents know the full truth here about your life with this man?. Abuse too thrives on secrecy.

My mum knows of my situation yes.. of course she encourages me to get some independence and doesn’t want to see me hit financial hardship either. I don’t believe I’m abused, I’m just in an unequal relationship. It’s not so bad to the point I need to urgently run off. My partner holds the purse strings and makes the big decisions, but he doesn’t stop me from going out or on nights out (he does go in a mood often), doesn’t look at my phone, doesn’t control me physically, doesn’t hurt me physically, or hurl any abusive language at me or argue. Generally he’s not that interested in what I’m doing anyway hence the lack of communication.
I know the relationship has to end as I’m rather isolated and long for a belly laugh and a good meaningful chat. And I know it’s down to me to face these issues and sort myself out and leave.

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Spohn · 24/08/2022 17:54

You need to find housing for yourself, this boyfriend openly doesn’t give a shit about you and can remove you from his property at any second. End the years of terrible choices you’ve made, analyse your crap boyfriend all you like in your own time, but not while you keep choosing to be so precariously vulnerable.

Sandra1984 · 24/08/2022 17:56

“It’s not that bad, he doesn’t hit me”

😮

MintJulia · 24/08/2022 18:09

OK, so the good bits in this are: you recognise your financial predicament, you have a new job starting next month that will give you a real income and you understand that this relationship is abusive and anything but normal.

Start saving your escape fund. Don't spend a penny on his house, put everything you can into a hidden account.

Try to find evidence of his income - a recent tax return would be ideal but a bank statement would be good. Also his NI number is useful. He will need to pay you child maintenance for the dcs unless he is planning to do 50:50.

discretely start looking at the cost of renting. Find out what deposit would be needed. Now you know what your income will be, look at the govt benefits calculator. Don't worry about furniture yet, buying secondhand is really inexpensive any you'll be amazed what people will give you for free.

I found once my escape plan/fund was under way, I was much more cheerful. Good luck xx

dizzydizzydizzy · 24/08/2022 18:15

EllenBrody73 · 23/08/2022 16:58

I'm experiencing the exact same behaviour from my BF, it's classic signs of a Narcissist, not interested in what you have to say, but expects you to listen to his every word.

Me too and I was going to say the same. I am slowly making an exit plan.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/08/2022 18:40

What is your definition of abuse?. You did not answer that question so it makes me think you’ve never thought about it. Abuse is not about communication or a lack of, it’s rooted in power and control. Why do you think such a man 20 years older than you was interested in you to begin with?.

Denial is a powerful force but make no mistake here, you are in an abusive relationship with him. You admit this relationship is unequal and it always has been.

How often too do you go out, my guess is it’s not very often anyway and not just because he goes into a mood when you do. It’s probably got to a point where you think it’s just easier to stay at home to avoid setting him off. He does not have to hit you to hurt you either, what he does to you is more than enough to keep you feeling trapped and controlled. If he decided that his current control methods are not enough to keep you down in your pit, he would use other control methods against you.

damnyourdogs · 24/08/2022 18:56

I was in your situation when I was 23...but I'd been married for 2 years. Massive mistake, too young, all the wrong reasons, the typical stupid young marriage fuck up.

I wasn't wise enough to plan my exit. I blurted it out one Saturday night that I wanted us to divorce ...I'd only just started a new part time job, had nothing in the way of savings and nowhere to stay. That was 30 years ago and I still wish I'd done what you are about to do...bided my time and got myself in a strong financial situation. Our divorce ended up taking 2 years as he thought tooth and nail not to give me the £7K equity in the house ... I was actually homeless at one point and ended up having to move back into the marital home to force him to come to a settlement. If I'd taken my time before leaving and saved to get myself secure accommodation I would not have gone through all that.

My ex husband was a lot like your partner - just did not listen to me, and showed no interest in my life. I'd literally begged him for us to spend more one on one time together, go out together etc...his answer to get yet another hobby that meant he was out of the house more. That was the final straw for me. But instead of jumping so quickly I should have just lived my life as separately from him as possible - you should get yourself in the mindset that you are merely sharing a house with him, there is no relationship between you two anymore and therefore if he doesn't want to come with you when you go out...well it doesn't matter, but it's not stopping you and your children from having a social life.

Dozeydate · 24/08/2022 19:06

Thank you for your grounded opinion :)
of course I have done my research and can relate to some things in my relationship that have been manipulative/abusive to get to the point where I am now. It’s not all bad though, and that’s what keeps me second guessing I suppose.

Your comment that indicates things could get worse and tactics could change is actually something I’ve not thought about. I’m about to have my own salary which will give me financial independence of some sort, this is unexplored territory and could lead to more pressing tactics.

You are right, I rarely go out because it’s easier not to. I can read a room and the silent treatment will kick in just before I go out or the next day. If I go out it is always with my family as my brothers are a similar age to me. I don’t have friends either so he doesn’t need to control that. He’s not socialised with my family for years. It’s actually not right is it.

I will get out though!

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