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Ever had the silent treatment from a parent who can't acknowledge it's the silent treatment so convinced are they that there is ONE perspective??

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J0y · 20/08/2022 12:45

That is what I'm dealing with. My mother is so convinced that there is one perspective that any attempt to communicate is perceived by her as an attack.

Why communicate!? Reality is not open for discussion! she actually doesn't seem to even recognise that she's giving me the silent treatment. Rationally she knows the silent treatment is bad. When a cousin of mine left her H years ago because of silent treatments my mum cheered her on.

Confused but yet, she will not let me tell her that she hurt me. She puts her hands over her ears, walks away, leaves whatsapps unanswered, letters unread...

It hurts her a lot that I've attempted to tell her that she hurt me. That hurt has been used to try and shame me. ''what is wrong with you that you would hurt me?'' but no mention or reference or acknowledgement of what I originally said to her. She won't engage at all. But that's not a silent treatment in her eyes, as clearly she is the victim of me.

After 19 months of trying to be heard at the start of this year I gave up. She finally arranged a coffee June (big progress for her, but started with her condition that there be no anger. I said fine, my condition is that you understand the connection between two years of shutting me down and my anger.
She texted back ''let's postpone''.

I never planned to be no contact with my parents. They accuse me of demonising them. Or my mother does. My dad is an institutionalised foot soldier. He always backs her up.

But I haven't demonised them, the opposite is true, honestly thought that eventually they'd hear me out and that then they'd get it because they're intelligent. But no, in nearly three years they have stuck to their martyred position that my anger is only representative of my insanity. It's nothing to do with them.

Sometimes I miss the stupid shallow surface level conversations about the garden and the weather, but to go back and try and restore that superficiality would require me to agree to the one true perspective. That they are perfect and I am mad. I'd feel eroded. And for what, chit chat about the dog and the neighbours. It's all so pointless but I miss it a bit.

I go round in circles looking for the solution but there isn't one. It's either erode myself accepting their narrative that they're saintly victims of my paranoia, anger, sensitivity, entitlement etc.....basically respect their right to demean me
Or have no family forever.

Two actually sounds less stressful but not perfect.

I know NO contact is the way to go and what everybody suggests but I want to be strong enough to endure their bullshit.

I want to be strong enough that although they try and relocate all of their low self-esteem inadequacies in to me, I have the strength and the capability to reject their projections without it provoking me to react and without it draining me.

Had therapy a while ago, 4k. It did really help. Actually not going to have any more at the moment as there's just NO magic wand. But I feel different now. So much clearer.

Did anybody ever gain SO MUCH detachment and strength and totally conquer their triggered amygdala that they could endure being around parents who project all of their inadequacies on to you?

Am I mad to even partially miss talking about the potatoes and whether they're better with mayo or butter and the garden.

Just read this back and even if nobody has a similar mother, it has helped me just typing this.

Have one sibling and he's let me down so badly. If this were the other way around I would have sorted it out by now but he has sat with them talking about me and not convinced them to talk to me and listen to me. He is the golden child so if he'd insisted they listen, they would have.

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picklemewalnuts · 20/08/2022 22:21

Yep. And the rage can last days. She'd pack a bag and go sometimes.

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 22:25

@J0y yes I’ll let you know if I start a thread. Still mulling a bit. But mostly just getting on with my own life atm. I quite like the breaks!

I think you are right - there is a sense (and a fear) that you can never “get it right” - because - ultimately that would require a genuine mutual connection.

So, trying to do or say the right thing is like hand-sweeping in a darkened room, looking for the door. You just stumble over a load of random furniture and into walls. You may gain more knowledge about the room layout - and that can be helpful - but the door handle seems always just out of reach.

My experience anyway. Doing the wrong thing - and it’s always the wrong thing in their eyes no matter what you try - can bring knowledge and self-knowledge though it can still be traumatic at times. I just think we have to forge our own path with it, difficult at times, and everyone will do it differently. Our sub conscious can help us though too, it may take time, but we are not completely alone with our healing.

PS. I wish I could afford a bit more therapy, not had any for years, but I am also for now trying to practice more general healing in the self-care realm.

HerRoyalNotness · 20/08/2022 22:29

I’m NC with my mother. Easier as I live overseas. After years of silent treatment, a couple times lasted 2-5yrs!!! She didn’t even try to reconnect but had a friend call me to ask to speak to her. It was always me in the wrong, except it wasn’t. One memorable time she walked into my place of work took one look at me, asked me why i’d done that to my hair? I looked her in the eye and knowing the shit storm that would follow, said because i felt like it. She turned heel and left and didn’t speak to me for 2yrs. Bonkers! Anyway my life is much more peaceable without her in it and I rarely give her a thought

HerRoyalNotness · 20/08/2022 22:31

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 22:25

@J0y yes I’ll let you know if I start a thread. Still mulling a bit. But mostly just getting on with my own life atm. I quite like the breaks!

I think you are right - there is a sense (and a fear) that you can never “get it right” - because - ultimately that would require a genuine mutual connection.

So, trying to do or say the right thing is like hand-sweeping in a darkened room, looking for the door. You just stumble over a load of random furniture and into walls. You may gain more knowledge about the room layout - and that can be helpful - but the door handle seems always just out of reach.

My experience anyway. Doing the wrong thing - and it’s always the wrong thing in their eyes no matter what you try - can bring knowledge and self-knowledge though it can still be traumatic at times. I just think we have to forge our own path with it, difficult at times, and everyone will do it differently. Our sub conscious can help us though too, it may take time, but we are not completely alone with our healing.

PS. I wish I could afford a bit more therapy, not had any for years, but I am also for now trying to practice more general healing in the self-care realm.

You’ve explained it really well here. You never know what small thing will set it off so always confused, on edge, being careful but in the end still being tripped up. No relationship should be like that

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 22:37

@QuebecBagnet Sorry you had to go through all that. I do wonder would my mother disinherit me in a similar way. It’s always kind of hanging there, unspoken, sort of troubling. As I said, there never seems to be any kind of resolution. Just different kinds of turmoil it seems mostly. I guess all we can do is find as much of our own kind of healing along the way, whatever brings us the most peace.

notsosoftanymore · 21/08/2022 10:27

I'm sorry OP that you have this pain to deal with. There are some similarities of what you've described in the family of my DH and I did have some problems with my oldest daughter which have now been sorted as a result of therapy on both sides and each of us being willing to work at building a relationship of trust.

A couple of things though, in addition to the 'identified patient', interesting term I haven't heard before, there is the elephant in the room, your father. It sounds like your parents have a kind of toxic marriage which seems so frequent in the post war, 1950s kind of world. He is the one who had depression and paranoia and their relationship is facilitated and perhaps maintained by his slavish support of her which means they don't have to look at what is wrong with their marriage.

It's really difficult but true, that you can only change yourself, not other people and having to come to terms with having a mother who doesn't listen and respond and isn't the mother you'd like is so hard. My sister in law is 75 and still doesn't have a good word to say about her mother (who died 20 years ago) and is very bitter. She left home at 16 (was actually farmed out to a relative as a nanny!) and never returned and was totally estranged for about 15 years. My father in law always supported his wife and my DH became the golden boy. Awful and it's caused lots of trouble in my own marriage.

Either your mother is terrified to have to face the truth of her behaviour or she actually simply can't see it and is supported in this by your father. She may never change and that is something to grieve over for you and as others have said, it is up to you to decide what kind of relationship you want with your family.

I have a good friend in her 40s who has similar problems with her mother, now in her 80s. I used to listen a lot and this friend is now living in the US for the foreseeable future and has achieved a satisfactory life for herself. It takes time to come to terms with this stuff and it's hard work. I had an abusive childhood but my mother was a widow so I had different dynamics. It was EMDR that was a game changer for me and I really wanted my children to have a different, emotionally stable childhood so I was prepared to work at it but not everyone is or is capable. So, I just want to sympathise and say stay strong and really do what's right for you in your life, if you can. Live for yourself and have whatever family relationship suits you.

QuebecBagnet · 21/08/2022 10:32

@BlackFur id prepare for the worst case scenario and prepare to be disinherited. My mum left half a million to random people she barely knew. I wasn’t expecting anything less from her so wasn’t a surprise.

Hempy · 21/08/2022 10:39

"We did tell her that we were open to rekindling our relationship if she wanted to but that there would have to be a serious conversation about her behaviour and that it wasn’t to continue and she’d need to apologise. Apart from the odd nasty letter/email we didn’t hear from her again."

I had this with two toxic parents trapped in their toxic marriage. I am the family scapegoat, only breaking free after an apocalyptic visit by them in 2016. They stormed out, and apart from nasty letters will-waving, I've not heard from them for six years. My husband tells me I've completely blossomed in their absence. I miss having a family of origin but not them as people.

J0y · 21/08/2022 14:20

I know what you mean about missing having a family but not missing them as people.

My parents have been generous to be financially so there is no will waving but I think it has made worse their belief that they own me. I always thanked them for their help and was still regularly telling them sincerely how grateful I was 9 years after they helped me get my house. My gratitude was genuine and sincere and frequently expressed. But only positive feedback is allowed. Their generosity to me reinforces their entitlement to hurt me, silence me, talk about me but not to me....

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J0y · 21/08/2022 14:21

QuebecBagnet · 21/08/2022 10:32

@BlackFur id prepare for the worst case scenario and prepare to be disinherited. My mum left half a million to random people she barely knew. I wasn’t expecting anything less from her so wasn’t a surprise.

Wow 😲

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OriginalUsername2 · 21/08/2022 14:32

“Did anybody ever gain SO MUCH detachment and strength and totally conquer their triggered amygdala that they could endure being around parents who project all of their inadequacies on to you?”

I consider myself a completely different person to back when I was in contact with my mother. But I’m very scared of any contact. I’m not scared of her as a person but I’m scared of all the work I’ve done on myself unraveling like a fallen ball of wool. Family dynamics are deeply, deeply rooted. You know how as an adult people go visit mum and dad and feel like a child again under their roof? For my own self-preservation I stay far away from them.

I don’t think it can be done.

Is it a relationship at all if it’s only going one way?

J0y · 21/08/2022 16:27

@OriginalUsername2 thank you for that post. I feel OK now, I've been practicing self compassion, I have healed and gained insight, and it all hurts less, and I understand that I am not my feelings etc etc but then my parents and brother tut me, roll their 3yes at me, sit in pitying judgement of me and I feel so angry all over again.

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BlackFur · 21/08/2022 18:43

@OriginalUsername2 I totally hear your point, interesting. It’s been noted that in Fairytales and adventure books that quite a lot of children are either orphans or are away at public school (like JK Rowling Harry Potter book). It’s like they’re pushed to find themselves, forge their paths, something like that. I notice I do relax and maybe ‘grow’ a bit more during periods of NC. Though sometimes, like OP, I will then also feel unsure what step to take next, if any. Perhaps if you let it come naturally … Even if there are no straightforward outcomes or resolutions (there never is really) you can at least approach doing what you need to do based on your choices…

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