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Ever had the silent treatment from a parent who can't acknowledge it's the silent treatment so convinced are they that there is ONE perspective??

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J0y · 20/08/2022 12:45

That is what I'm dealing with. My mother is so convinced that there is one perspective that any attempt to communicate is perceived by her as an attack.

Why communicate!? Reality is not open for discussion! she actually doesn't seem to even recognise that she's giving me the silent treatment. Rationally she knows the silent treatment is bad. When a cousin of mine left her H years ago because of silent treatments my mum cheered her on.

Confused but yet, she will not let me tell her that she hurt me. She puts her hands over her ears, walks away, leaves whatsapps unanswered, letters unread...

It hurts her a lot that I've attempted to tell her that she hurt me. That hurt has been used to try and shame me. ''what is wrong with you that you would hurt me?'' but no mention or reference or acknowledgement of what I originally said to her. She won't engage at all. But that's not a silent treatment in her eyes, as clearly she is the victim of me.

After 19 months of trying to be heard at the start of this year I gave up. She finally arranged a coffee June (big progress for her, but started with her condition that there be no anger. I said fine, my condition is that you understand the connection between two years of shutting me down and my anger.
She texted back ''let's postpone''.

I never planned to be no contact with my parents. They accuse me of demonising them. Or my mother does. My dad is an institutionalised foot soldier. He always backs her up.

But I haven't demonised them, the opposite is true, honestly thought that eventually they'd hear me out and that then they'd get it because they're intelligent. But no, in nearly three years they have stuck to their martyred position that my anger is only representative of my insanity. It's nothing to do with them.

Sometimes I miss the stupid shallow surface level conversations about the garden and the weather, but to go back and try and restore that superficiality would require me to agree to the one true perspective. That they are perfect and I am mad. I'd feel eroded. And for what, chit chat about the dog and the neighbours. It's all so pointless but I miss it a bit.

I go round in circles looking for the solution but there isn't one. It's either erode myself accepting their narrative that they're saintly victims of my paranoia, anger, sensitivity, entitlement etc.....basically respect their right to demean me
Or have no family forever.

Two actually sounds less stressful but not perfect.

I know NO contact is the way to go and what everybody suggests but I want to be strong enough to endure their bullshit.

I want to be strong enough that although they try and relocate all of their low self-esteem inadequacies in to me, I have the strength and the capability to reject their projections without it provoking me to react and without it draining me.

Had therapy a while ago, 4k. It did really help. Actually not going to have any more at the moment as there's just NO magic wand. But I feel different now. So much clearer.

Did anybody ever gain SO MUCH detachment and strength and totally conquer their triggered amygdala that they could endure being around parents who project all of their inadequacies on to you?

Am I mad to even partially miss talking about the potatoes and whether they're better with mayo or butter and the garden.

Just read this back and even if nobody has a similar mother, it has helped me just typing this.

Have one sibling and he's let me down so badly. If this were the other way around I would have sorted it out by now but he has sat with them talking about me and not convinced them to talk to me and listen to me. He is the golden child so if he'd insisted they listen, they would have.

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Zuyi · 20/08/2022 12:48

What are you angry about?

J0y · 20/08/2022 12:53

I'm angry that even though my Dad got to go to a psychiatric hospital with paranoia and depression in the 80s and 90s somehow it is me that has emerged in the family narrative as ''paranoid''.

This label has been casually thrown at me for DECADES. Followed by ''sensitive'' if I object.

It may sound like a really small thing but I just cannot accept their narratives anymore.

I think the label of paranoid hurts me / hurt me so much (and angered me) because all of the mistakes I made as a young adult were because I was too trusting. I never ran away or drew a line or said no buddy. I was definitely too trusting and put up with a lot of crap.

I guess I look back on this trusting version of myself labelled paranoid and I feel ......... I don't know. I think I was doing ok until my mum glossed over it and labelled something that we have never discussed not even obliquely as a grudge.

I think that was the moment I tapped in to my anger.

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toffeechai · 20/08/2022 12:58

“But I haven't demonised them, the opposite is true, honestly thought that eventually they'd hear me out and that then they'd get it because they're intelligent”

I completely get this, I felt the same until I realised it just wasn’t about intelligence but about their psychological defence mechanisms.

In my case I went NC for a long time and then forged a better relationship because I no longer needed them to hear me. But that’s not where you are.

May I recommend you search for the term ‘identified patient’ as I think you’ll find it really validating. It’s about how a family’s problems can be located in one person who is seen as the problematic one but is ironically often the most emotionally healthy.

I don’t know if therapy is an option for you but it helped me a lot as I was finally heard and understood.

J0y · 20/08/2022 13:07

Thank you @toffeechai
As on my mind as this clearly still is, I need them to hear me less than I did two and a half years ago. The pain of it was awful back then. But totally dismissed.

I'm now at the stage of feeling a bit stronger. Feeling a bit less desperate to heard and I'm like a thirsty person in the dessert, seeing visions of a fake family chatting about the garden and the weather.

I agree about therapy. I had therapy once a fortnight for 18 months and it helped a lot.

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J0y · 20/08/2022 13:09

Can I ask how long you were no contact for and how did the reconnection come about?

Is identified patient the clinical term for scapegoat?

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Zuyi · 20/08/2022 13:10

The weather garden chit chat can be good when there have been arguments, to restore balance. It needn't mean you accept any perspective, just that you are holding off discussing it for a bit.

toffeechai · 20/08/2022 13:51

J0y · 20/08/2022 13:09

Can I ask how long you were no contact for and how did the reconnection come about?

Is identified patient the clinical term for scapegoat?

I don’t know if it’s a clinical term but I think it’s a helpful one. I’d suggest giving therapy another go if it’s an option for you, it really could help.

toffeechai · 20/08/2022 13:53

I haven’t answered your other questions because I don’t feel it’s that helpful to share right now.

It’s totally understandable and reasonable that you want them to hear you and acknowledge all the pain they’ve caused you. But it’s not realistically likely to happen.

The thing to ask yourself is whether you can cope with that. I couldn’t in the past, and that’s why I went NC.

justasking111 · 20/08/2022 14:00

@J0y if mother died today, how would you move on what would you do in your life to fill the gap timewise?

picklemewalnuts · 20/08/2022 14:09

Something to think about.

You can't have the relationship on the terms you want. They are not offering that. They are not capable of that. It's a shame, it's disappointing, it's not what you want. That isn't available.

So you have to decide what you want to do.

Ultimately you will be a stronger person if you can live without their acceptance and validation- you are still seeking something from them. You will be stronger if you learn to live without it.

Then you get to choose. Do you want a superficial relationship with them? One where you don't accuse them of anything or try and persuade them of your point of view. One where you leave if they start to accuse you of things, or persuade you to their POV. One where you know how they are, and share meals with them. Discuss mayonnaise or butter on potatoes, and whether it's rainier than usual this year.

That's the kind of relationship that's possible. Do you want it?

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 16:47

I have a pretty similar issue OP. The ONE perspective thing. With my mother. We are not speaking at the moment - as she insulted me and simply won’t apologise. Like you, I miss some of the small chat of our relationship. Other times it is bough it also felt fake. What to do? 🤷‍♀️ I am still considering. I think there’s some good ideas and advice on here. But as Everyone’s circumstances are so unique, it’s really hard to generalise. Flowers.

J0y · 20/08/2022 17:06

@BlackFur it's tough. If I could back and do it all again, when she glossed so hurtfully over the decades of calling me paranoid by called it a grudge, I think I would have just gone home, not texted her to tell her that she hurt me. I might have just left it until she said ''what's wrong with you'' and perhaps she would have listened to the answer.

I don't think that telling them what they have done to hurt you ever penetrates their forcefields.

Possibly if they are the ones missing you and wondering why you've withdrawn, they might have the potential to absorb the response.

But I don't know, and anyway. I cannot go ack and do it again. I just have to live with the fact that I told her that she hurt me and she reacted like I was the aggressive perpetrator of an aggression.

@justasking111 If my mother died tomorrow I'd be upset but in a way, I've already grieved over the last few years. She showed me repeatedly and so determinedly that she will not listen to me. That I have no right to ask to be heard. No right to consider myself hurt. I think I am clear in my head that ALL I DID was tell her that she hurt me and then, refuse point blank to change my interpretation of events. But it was her who wouldn't communicate. I wanted to communicate and kept trying for so long. So, I don't think her death will make me feel that I've missed some chance to fix things. I don't think fixing things is something I could somehow achieve if I just x, y or z.

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J0y · 20/08/2022 17:15

@toffeechai I looked up videos on youtube about the identified patient and what little is there, i've already watched! I'd forgotten that term though.

I had a lot of therapy and it did help a lot. It's hard to express that in writing on a forum but the pain I was in two and a half years ago, just the shock and upset of realising that my mum was drilling down on her martyrdom and anger and silent treatments, smear campaign, it was killing me. I definitely wasn't missing anything about family life then. I needed peace.

I wonder if the fact that I can miss the superficiality of their dynamic is a sign of healing.

I feel like it is but I should be very wary. I don't want to race back in to middle of the insanely dysfunctional dynamics just because I've healed a bit.

Number 1) rule in my family, mum is always right so no discussion required.

2) Mum's feelings are important.

3) Joy's feelings are wrong and an attack on Mum
4) no feedback ever, the family dynamics stay as they are
5) mum is the victim of any dispute
6) Dad and brother will obviously back up Mum
7) submit to the family narratives or be ostracised with silent treatments

Those are off the top of my head. But I don't think there's anyway to go back in to the family, even to talk about the weather.

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J0y · 20/08/2022 17:21

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 16:47

I have a pretty similar issue OP. The ONE perspective thing. With my mother. We are not speaking at the moment - as she insulted me and simply won’t apologise. Like you, I miss some of the small chat of our relationship. Other times it is bough it also felt fake. What to do? 🤷‍♀️ I am still considering. I think there’s some good ideas and advice on here. But as Everyone’s circumstances are so unique, it’s really hard to generalise. Flowers.

Just going back to this again, could she even show you some limited understanding that she hurt you??

That's all I needed. I wasn't even expecting an apology. Just a bit of self-reflection. A little bit of ''oh, yeh, didn't think''. but NOTHING. Every time I went back making the point that she couldn't just fire labels at me repeatedly and expect me to be ok with that, I got another insult in response.

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J0y · 20/08/2022 17:22

@picklemewalnuts yeh, I'm strong enough to live with a life time's worth of invalidation from my parents.

And now, as an adult, I don't need them to validate me but I suppose I have to draw the line at being invalidated continuously.

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toffeechai · 20/08/2022 17:34

One thing I had to realise was that they were never going to listen to the answer. There wasn’t anything I could have said or done differently. I used to think that if I could just explain it the right way, then surely they would hear me. They couldn’t. It wasn’t about anything I said or did. I think the same is most likely true for you too.

I hope you can find some peace with all this somehow.

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 17:38

Just going back to this again, could she even show you some limited understanding that she hurt you??

^ No.

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 17:38

I meant, no!

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 18:03

But I may start my own thread on this ….

J0y · 20/08/2022 18:25

oh do! tag me!

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J0y · 20/08/2022 18:27

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 17:38

Just going back to this again, could she even show you some limited understanding that she hurt you??

^ No.

Yes, same, which is really sad and depressing but to be positive it does spare me from thinking about how I could have handled it all better and got a different outcome. YES I could have been less triggered and handled it better but I can't visualise her having shown me any small understanding that SHE hurt ME. Nope. NEVER

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J0y · 20/08/2022 18:29

toffeechai · 20/08/2022 17:34

One thing I had to realise was that they were never going to listen to the answer. There wasn’t anything I could have said or done differently. I used to think that if I could just explain it the right way, then surely they would hear me. They couldn’t. It wasn’t about anything I said or did. I think the same is most likely true for you too.

I hope you can find some peace with all this somehow.

Yes, this is it exactly. For ages I thought about how I could phrase it better.

There is no way I could phrase it that would make her take accountability.

The ONLY way to resolve this is to apologise to her for hurting her, and at this stage, she is so angry with me that both of us feel wronged and tbh, even if I did apologise to her for telling her that she hurt me, I don't think she would forgive me!!! I should have accepted her silent treatments and her projections and I should have come back to heel with an apology 2 years ago. It's a dollar short and a day to late to tell her I'm sorry I called her out now.

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picklemewalnuts · 20/08/2022 18:30

Our family's rule:

  1. Don't upset your mother.
2, Don't upset your mother.
  1. Don't upset your mother.
  2. Etc.
QuebecBagnet · 20/08/2022 22:05

I had similar from my mother.

years and years of put downs from her and at any point of I tried to point out her nastiness was told I was being sensitive, too defensive, she was only trying to help, etc, etc.

I remember once when as an adult I told her what an unhappy childhood I’d had due to her emotional and physical abuse she denied all knowledge of this. Her take on my childhood genuinely seemed like she believed her own alternative reality.

the put downs, etc carried on into my adult hood. Things came to a head when she said something very horrible about me and my brother to my 11yo Dd who told me. Mum denied it and said Dd was a fantasist who should be locked up.

so yes, I went NC with her. As did my brother. So was nice to have that sibling support. I knew I wasn’t going mad and imagining stuff as my brother had seen it all as well.

she’s dead now and we never “made up “. We did tell her that we were open to rekindling our relationship if she wanted to but that there would have to be a serious conversation about her behaviour and that it wasn’t to continue and she’d need to apologise. Apart from the odd nasty letter/email we didn’t hear from her again. She even sent me a letter via her solicitor after she’d died telling me how much she hated me.

I agree that she’s unlikely to change. So you either “grey rock” her and don’t let it bother you and have that superficial relationship or you walk away from it all. Either option obviously has drawbacks and I’m sure therapy will help whatever you choose. I’m sorry, it’s so shit.

BlackFur · 20/08/2022 22:12

picklemewalnuts · 20/08/2022 18:30

Our family's rule:

  1. Don't upset your mother.
2, Don't upset your mother.
  1. Don't upset your mother.
  2. Etc.

^ that’s the one. Can be angry. Can veer into waif territory. But my mother is and was mostly a “rager”. 0-100 in 2 seconds.

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