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He's called me abusive. Looking for solidarity, advice, confirmation of my instincts...

45 replies

thedramaticrabbit · 10/08/2022 16:55

I'm F(40) and he's M (50) we have been in a relationship for four years. We are both divorced with DC and while our relationship has been serious, it's also been a very important outlet for me to have fun and let off steam outside of the DC and work. I think that has meant that I have always put up with it not being 100% equal, for eg the relationship is for the majority of the time, on his terms. He decides where we go, what we eat, who we see, I often tag along to see his DC, help them move in and out of their student accommodation with him, whereas he never spends any time with my younger DC. Outside of my DC time, it's his time and his schedule which dominates mine, partially because he has a more time-consuming job than mine but mainly because he has some emotional baggage from his marriage to his exW where he believes he has "done the hard yards," was taken for granted, "used for money" and not given enough time to focus on himself and his own interests and time to "just be. "While I roll my eyes a bit at that, and you may do too, I see he is a committed Dad who spends as much time as possible with his DC and takes on equal shares of the mental family load with his ExW, but still bears a grudge for the drudgery of his former life, Important to note he does not act resentful of his exW, he is respectful of her, but he is resentful of the time he spent in the marriage, and what it was like, her refusal to work once the DC were pre-teens, and contribute to resources or what it became, with her expecting more and more and him feeling like he had nothing left.

I always had quite a breezy approach to his need to have things on his terms. I think I told myself that I really wanted to have fun, travel, dinners out, have sex, go to events and experiences and to really "Live" with someone. And what better way to do it than with someone I was very attracted to and enjoyed his company. We have done a lot of that over the years. Over the last year my life, things have become harder as my mother has had a very rapid descent into Alzheimer's and my father has found it hard to cope and has left her and met someone else. As an only child this has been very hard for me, both emotionally in reconciling what has happened, and practically, as I have had to step up in a carer capacity (on top of my 4DC.) While my partner has been a real comfort to me during this in lots of ways, I have had less capacity to be breezy and absorb some of the selfishness that exists in the relationship.

Things that my partner does have started to really upset me - , like inflexibility around time and place, prioritising his DC (who are students, not young DC,) he won a holiday for two and took his best friend and not me, he has a coldness in communication while he is deep into working which I used to breeze over before, knowing it would change when he stopped work, but I now find it slices me open like a wound, especially after a particularly hard day with my mother. He is very charismatic and enjoys the attention of other women when he gets it - not in a way which crosses boundaries - but when I am really emotionally struggling and I see how he is the life of the party, he gets talking or smoking on a balcony of a bar or party with a group of women while I am inside, I start to feel small and unimportant. It's lots of little things like this.

We have had a few run ins where I have felt it's become too much for me and I've been very moody. Each time he has told me that "it's like being married again. I can never make you happy." Occasionally I have given him the "silent treatment" because I have just not known what to say when I tell him what is happening in my life and with my mother and try to get him to understand what is going on with me, and he responds with something flippant or glib. Or suggests I forget about it and we go for dinner (to talk about him again.)

It's been so bad recently, I have been complaining a lot. Getting quite angry with him (not shouty or pushy) but just probably quite lectury and naggy about how his behaviour/words are not fair. How he needs to listen more to me and think about me. I occasionally go quiet (never for more than a few hours) or, send a series of whatsapps explaining (again and again) how I feel.

Three days ago this was happening and he just flipped. He said he was "sick and tired" of my "abuse." That I was "not a kind person," that I have treated him with "cruelty." He then blocked me on whatsapp and has not spoken to me since.

I have been over and over it in my head. I do think my nagging and complaining and moodiness must have grated. I do think I have perhaps been a bit of a burden, but in my more sane moments I know that the scales were wrongly weighted from the get go.

I am letting him get on with it, not trying to contact him, not trying to apologise, but I just wanted to sense check it with you.

Do you think my behaviour has been abusive? Especially if I have been holding on to every little thing, giving the silent treatment occasionally.

Do you think he should understand it in the context of what I am going through?

Given I enjoy the relationship, I am in love with him and need it to feel sane right now at a time where I have such strong caring duties, should I just apologise and promise it will no longer happen?

OP posts:
Fladdermus · 10/08/2022 17:04

You've put up with him for 4 years? Yes you've been abusive ... to yourself. What a horrible, self centred arse you've hitched yourself too. Let him go and find someone who sees you as a equal and treats you with respect.

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 10/08/2022 17:11

DARVO - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO It's pretty common for abusive people to Deny, Attack and Reverse Victim and Offender.

I know you say that you're in love with him, but he doesn't sound particularly lovable and you would probably be happier either by yourself or with someone who is less hard work.

Aikko · 10/08/2022 17:19

I echo the above. Don't waste your 40s with someone who doesn't make you feel good. Move on and find someone better.

wordler · 10/08/2022 17:25

You've not been abusive to him - he's just angry you've called him out on his selfishness, and it's clear he just wants uncomplicated occasional female companionship without any of the emotional responsibilities of a real partnership.

Don't run after him promising to change your needs for his benefit.

Decide what YOU need. If he comes crawling back or you meet someone new be strong about your needs and boundaries.

For now, do you have any friends or family who could help support you while you deal with this hard situation with your Mum.

MILLYmo0se · 10/08/2022 17:25

He doesnt want a relationship with responsibilities or where he gives emotional or practical support. You are both looking for 2 different types of relationship and neither of you will change the other, cut your losses and end it. You cant change him, fix it and telling yourself that this relationship will do because theres a couple of positive aspects will not make you happy in the long run

LifeIsJustOneBigWTAF · 10/08/2022 17:49

He sounds like an absolute arsehole. For four years you've propped up his ego and gone along with his every whim. Now, at a time of extreme stress and worry, you understandably and deservedly need his support. However, not only has he withdrawn from the scene, he's blamed YOU and said some dreadful things.
One other thing sort of stood out for me - you say he is respectful of his ex-wife, mother of his children, but describing her as 'the hard yards' (wtaf?!) and 'using him for money' sounds extremely disrespectful to me.

Please don't waste any more time or energy on the selfish prick. It was fun (mostly) while it lasted, but sadly he just became an unwelcome drain on your emotional resources when you needed his support. I wish you all the best 💐

catandcoffee · 10/08/2022 18:02

Apologies for what ?
For having problems and coping on your own.
For him leaving you alone while he chats to other women.
Honestly that is SO disrespectful.

Summerhillsquare · 10/08/2022 18:02

No you're not abusive. Exasperated maybe, fraught after traumatic experiences, tired perhaps.

He's not supportive. Find yourself a nice younger man without all his baggage.

Whiskeypowers · 10/08/2022 18:08

He sounds absolutely awful and imo HE is the one who’s been doling out any abuse here

dump him and pronto

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 10/08/2022 18:09

Give him a lovely surprise. Block and delete him from everything. Then he can sit and wonder wtf? when he checks that you are feeling sorry enough.

Good news seems to be that you haven't invested your home etc in him. That the 'using' each other for fun has been mutual. So make a concerted effort to change how you think of him - he is a controlling twat by the way - and leave him to find his next inconsequential squeeze.

Good luck.

Itwillworkifyoutryit2222 · 10/08/2022 18:15

@thedramaticrabbit this is a properly tough one. It sounds like you’re really going through it right now with everything so my heart goes out to you.

General rule, if a man claims that his ex was abusive- he’s highly likely to have been the abusive one. If he claims you’re abusing him, and you are using strategies like the silent treatment for hours at a time- being angry with him, it’s not all that clear to me that he’s wrong. It’s not all that clear he’s right either- could be classic DARVO.

Now, he does sound like a bit of a total arse the way you describe him, like he gets his needs met but you don’t get yours met very well in the relationship. However, again, it sounds a bit like he asks for/says what he wants, but maybe you haven’t so much up until now? And you’re angry about all the silent compromises you’ve been making, which he may well be obvious to.

You are going through an unbelievably tough time with your mother, and I absolutely agree this should enter into his consideration when supporting you (or failing to as the case may be).

My question is, do you really believe he is a good decent man? Even with his failings? Or do you suspect he isn’t and is in fact manipulating you and being profoundly selfish?
I think any sense check I could offer would have to factor in your answer to that question

0live · 10/08/2022 18:21

MILLYmo0se · 10/08/2022 17:25

He doesnt want a relationship with responsibilities or where he gives emotional or practical support. You are both looking for 2 different types of relationship and neither of you will change the other, cut your losses and end it. You cant change him, fix it and telling yourself that this relationship will do because theres a couple of positive aspects will not make you happy in the long run

This.

Im sorry it must be hurtful. I guess you had assumed that all your compromise, support and flexibility would have been paid back when you needed some. Even just a little.

But now you are just like his ex wife - no longer able or willing to do 100% of the work in the relationship. And you know how that ends up.

Lineala · 10/08/2022 18:45

It sounds as though he no longer fits your needs and doesn't want to. Move on.

Prunel · 10/08/2022 18:49

He has got some serious emotional issues and hasn’t dealt with his divorce.
he doesn’t want to respect you, love you, care for you or support you.
he wants a casual gf and not a partner

You were happy for that. But now you need a partner, or at least someone that vaguely respects and cares for you. The relationship has just run it’s course.

he’s calling you abusive because he’s a man child who hasn’t dealt with his emotions. It may well actually feel abusive to him.

Prunel · 10/08/2022 18:53

Also he’s a 50 year old man you have been in a relationship with FOR YEARS
and his response to some conflict is to cry abuse and block you. Like it’s some teenage fling. That’s what he sees this as
because that’s his level of maturity

if that doesn’t give you the ick I don’t know what will

AmbushedByCake1 · 10/08/2022 18:56

He won a holiday and didn't take you?! Jesus. I'd have dumped him for that alone!

Usernamenotavailabletryanother · 10/08/2022 19:06

I’m so sorry that the men in your life are letting you down. Your dad has left you to care for your mum, and your partner has left you to care for yourself, long before he blocked you on WhatsApp like a teenager.

You deserve so much more than this. Your ‘nagging’ was probably the scales falling from your eyes and realising that.

vaingina · 10/08/2022 19:11

No, you haven’t been abusive. But given all you have going on, you have been needy. He isn’t invested in you I am afraid and his behaviour shows it.
Dont apologise because you need some support now and he is not capable of giving it, otherwise he will get worse.
Also, 4 years and no involvement with your kids? Went on holiday with someone else? WTF?
He needs therapy to deal with his issues. You need …to find a much younger man who will love and cherish you. You are still young enough to build a healthy relationship with a man without so much baggage and get your needs met too.

Minimalme · 10/08/2022 19:48

Crikey op - do you think your idea of a relationship was formed by your parents?

Your Dad left your Mum in her time of need and has let his only child look after her while he buggers about with a new partner.

Wtaf does he think he is doing?!

You have spend four years with someone who basically said "don't ask anything of me because I won't give it" and has now blocked you.

He is just another arsehole. Don't give "your behaviour" another thought, but do think about therapy to unravel your ideas around what relationships should be.

Inthesameboatatmo · 10/08/2022 20:01

God what an arse. You aren't abusive he is . Leave him . After 4 years it really won't get any better

Whitehorsegirl · 10/08/2022 20:52

It's classic behaviour from narcissistic/abusive men, they will flip things around and accuse you of being abusive/selfish. The blocking is a way for him to ''punish you''.

Almost always a red flag when a man talks about how an ex used him for money, was ''crazy'' and so on.

I think it is better for you to finally have seen his real character.

sleepymum50 · 10/08/2022 21:04

Your post has echoes with my own STBXH. My husband has retired and has decided that he needs to enjoy and spend whatever he wants on stuff that makes him happy.

I’ve always been a very undemanding wife and without really realising it have over the years subsumed my needs and interests in favour of his.

Also like you circumstances have led me to require more respect from him. He is so used to having the authority and power in our relationship, that he thinks I am totally out of order for requesting equality in our marriage.

He has a total strop everytime I tell him I am unhappy with the status quo.

I ended up seeing a therapist. I am now able to see that he is a selfish, arrogant and entitled man child. Im not perfect but I deserve better than this.

CheekyHobson · 10/08/2022 22:12

I would take what he says about how "used" he was in his previous relationship with a bucket of salt. It is not unusual for men like this to leave the hard graft of parenting young kids and teenagers and running the household to their wives while expecting her to bend over backwards to cater to their tastes and preferences around social life, hobbies, and gym time and look past the way they ignore her at parties while bathing in the attention of other women.

Once the kids are old enough to take care of themselves (and there's no child maintenance to pay), they ditch the ball and chain, liberally rewrite history to a tale of them pulling their weight fair and square while the wife cruised as a 'stay-at-home-mum' (ignoring the value she brought to the relationship which enabled them to focus on their careers unimpeded, and probably leaving out a lot more pertinent information besides, like perhaps a chronic illness). They play the Disney dad once it doesn't actually require all that much effort and tell everyone what a victim they were.

It's highly likely that your partner didn't become selfish after he left his wife. He left his wife because he was already selfish.

Men who are used to having things 95 percent their own way and feel entitled to have it that way will experience any attempt to rebalance the scales as an injustice - controlling and even abusive.

Your mistake was in keeping on trying to talk to him about this and rebalance things in your favour when he showed no inclination to listen to you in good faith or change anything to prioritise you.

By keeping trying to talk to him, you were actually engaging in a form of denial about the reality of his uncaring and words and actions vs the idea you had in your head of him as a caring and fundamentally decent person (and were trying to make into a reality). When you reflect carefully on where that picture of him came from, you may be surprised to realise that it was founded in large part on stories he has told you about himself, which could actually quite easily be lies or misrepresentations.

It took me discovering hard evidence that my ex had lied to me for our whole relationship for me to accept that he was not the decent person I had believed he was. Since my eyes were opened, I have been shocked by the way he has blatantly re-written our relationship, making himself out to be a victim of my "control". He has outright lied about (minimised) how much I worked during our relationship, devalued the time and effort I put into parenting, told people I've done things I have never done and accused me of being abusive when I started standing up for myself.

Take a big, big step back and start to try to see this guy for who he really is.

BishFish · 10/08/2022 22:20

Men like this always tell similar stories. I imagine his ex wife (who did everything on her own anyway) is glad to be rid of him now.

CheekyHobson · 10/08/2022 23:00

he is resentful of the time he spent in the marriage, and what it was like, her refusal to work once the DC were pre-teens, and contribute to resources or what it became, with her expecting more and more and him feeling like he had nothing left.

For example, do you categorically know this is an accurate tale of how the marriage went? Have you had it verified by other people who were there at the time (the ex, his children)? Or are you taking his word for it?

I worked half-time through my relationship with my ex (though on an hourly basis earned the same and sometimes more than him) and did basically 90 percent of the parenting and household management.

Since we split, he has played the victim, claiming he pulled his weight more than fairly (he didn't) and wanted me to go full-time as soon as the kids were in school. He never once said so at the time, and when I asked him why he not, he says it was because "I would have screamed and yelled and refused". The reality is that I have always been willing to discuss things reasonably and have never once screamed at him for expressing a different opinion, so it's hard to know where that comes from. He also has no idea of the juggle of extra-curricular activities and homework management and extra household workload he would have had to take on if I had been working full-time, nor the difficulties and cost of out-of-school care because he never dealt with any of it (and still largely doesn't) so has no appreciation for what it involves.