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He's called me abusive. Looking for solidarity, advice, confirmation of my instincts...

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thedramaticrabbit · 10/08/2022 16:55

I'm F(40) and he's M (50) we have been in a relationship for four years. We are both divorced with DC and while our relationship has been serious, it's also been a very important outlet for me to have fun and let off steam outside of the DC and work. I think that has meant that I have always put up with it not being 100% equal, for eg the relationship is for the majority of the time, on his terms. He decides where we go, what we eat, who we see, I often tag along to see his DC, help them move in and out of their student accommodation with him, whereas he never spends any time with my younger DC. Outside of my DC time, it's his time and his schedule which dominates mine, partially because he has a more time-consuming job than mine but mainly because he has some emotional baggage from his marriage to his exW where he believes he has "done the hard yards," was taken for granted, "used for money" and not given enough time to focus on himself and his own interests and time to "just be. "While I roll my eyes a bit at that, and you may do too, I see he is a committed Dad who spends as much time as possible with his DC and takes on equal shares of the mental family load with his ExW, but still bears a grudge for the drudgery of his former life, Important to note he does not act resentful of his exW, he is respectful of her, but he is resentful of the time he spent in the marriage, and what it was like, her refusal to work once the DC were pre-teens, and contribute to resources or what it became, with her expecting more and more and him feeling like he had nothing left.

I always had quite a breezy approach to his need to have things on his terms. I think I told myself that I really wanted to have fun, travel, dinners out, have sex, go to events and experiences and to really "Live" with someone. And what better way to do it than with someone I was very attracted to and enjoyed his company. We have done a lot of that over the years. Over the last year my life, things have become harder as my mother has had a very rapid descent into Alzheimer's and my father has found it hard to cope and has left her and met someone else. As an only child this has been very hard for me, both emotionally in reconciling what has happened, and practically, as I have had to step up in a carer capacity (on top of my 4DC.) While my partner has been a real comfort to me during this in lots of ways, I have had less capacity to be breezy and absorb some of the selfishness that exists in the relationship.

Things that my partner does have started to really upset me - , like inflexibility around time and place, prioritising his DC (who are students, not young DC,) he won a holiday for two and took his best friend and not me, he has a coldness in communication while he is deep into working which I used to breeze over before, knowing it would change when he stopped work, but I now find it slices me open like a wound, especially after a particularly hard day with my mother. He is very charismatic and enjoys the attention of other women when he gets it - not in a way which crosses boundaries - but when I am really emotionally struggling and I see how he is the life of the party, he gets talking or smoking on a balcony of a bar or party with a group of women while I am inside, I start to feel small and unimportant. It's lots of little things like this.

We have had a few run ins where I have felt it's become too much for me and I've been very moody. Each time he has told me that "it's like being married again. I can never make you happy." Occasionally I have given him the "silent treatment" because I have just not known what to say when I tell him what is happening in my life and with my mother and try to get him to understand what is going on with me, and he responds with something flippant or glib. Or suggests I forget about it and we go for dinner (to talk about him again.)

It's been so bad recently, I have been complaining a lot. Getting quite angry with him (not shouty or pushy) but just probably quite lectury and naggy about how his behaviour/words are not fair. How he needs to listen more to me and think about me. I occasionally go quiet (never for more than a few hours) or, send a series of whatsapps explaining (again and again) how I feel.

Three days ago this was happening and he just flipped. He said he was "sick and tired" of my "abuse." That I was "not a kind person," that I have treated him with "cruelty." He then blocked me on whatsapp and has not spoken to me since.

I have been over and over it in my head. I do think my nagging and complaining and moodiness must have grated. I do think I have perhaps been a bit of a burden, but in my more sane moments I know that the scales were wrongly weighted from the get go.

I am letting him get on with it, not trying to contact him, not trying to apologise, but I just wanted to sense check it with you.

Do you think my behaviour has been abusive? Especially if I have been holding on to every little thing, giving the silent treatment occasionally.

Do you think he should understand it in the context of what I am going through?

Given I enjoy the relationship, I am in love with him and need it to feel sane right now at a time where I have such strong caring duties, should I just apologise and promise it will no longer happen?

OP posts:
2orangey · 10/08/2022 23:06

I feel like if you ever ended up chatting to the ex-wife you might find it pretty enlightening. You do not sound abusive and he sounds pretty unpleasant.

ChrisTrepidation · 11/08/2022 05:30

I am so sorry about your mum op and also appalled at your dad's behaviour. How dare he go off with another woman leaving you to shoulder all your mums care.

Your partner wants a girlfriend who has no emotional needs because he is selfish and shallow as a paddling pool. I cannot get over the fact he won a holiday and didn't take you. That is utterly callous and shows what a twat he is.

The only person being abused here is you. By both your father for leaving you in the lurch with your mum and by your shit bag of a dad. You deserve better. Let yourself stay blocked and have no more to do with him. Also please stop wasting your precious energy telling him how you feel. He doesn't care how you feel, he only cares about himself.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/08/2022 05:34

Fuck that noise. Find someone better. Or a vibrator. Either/or.

Christinatheastonishing · 11/08/2022 05:36

Sounds like it was fine as a FWB but now you want something more meaningful - which you have every right to do - you're finding out that he doesn't have what it takes. You've tried to raise that with him and give him the opportunity to change and he's made it really clear he doesn't want to. He is no longer adding to your life in a positive way, time to let it go.

Pinkspice · 11/08/2022 05:53

CheekyHobson · 10/08/2022 22:12

I would take what he says about how "used" he was in his previous relationship with a bucket of salt. It is not unusual for men like this to leave the hard graft of parenting young kids and teenagers and running the household to their wives while expecting her to bend over backwards to cater to their tastes and preferences around social life, hobbies, and gym time and look past the way they ignore her at parties while bathing in the attention of other women.

Once the kids are old enough to take care of themselves (and there's no child maintenance to pay), they ditch the ball and chain, liberally rewrite history to a tale of them pulling their weight fair and square while the wife cruised as a 'stay-at-home-mum' (ignoring the value she brought to the relationship which enabled them to focus on their careers unimpeded, and probably leaving out a lot more pertinent information besides, like perhaps a chronic illness). They play the Disney dad once it doesn't actually require all that much effort and tell everyone what a victim they were.

It's highly likely that your partner didn't become selfish after he left his wife. He left his wife because he was already selfish.

Men who are used to having things 95 percent their own way and feel entitled to have it that way will experience any attempt to rebalance the scales as an injustice - controlling and even abusive.

Your mistake was in keeping on trying to talk to him about this and rebalance things in your favour when he showed no inclination to listen to you in good faith or change anything to prioritise you.

By keeping trying to talk to him, you were actually engaging in a form of denial about the reality of his uncaring and words and actions vs the idea you had in your head of him as a caring and fundamentally decent person (and were trying to make into a reality). When you reflect carefully on where that picture of him came from, you may be surprised to realise that it was founded in large part on stories he has told you about himself, which could actually quite easily be lies or misrepresentations.

It took me discovering hard evidence that my ex had lied to me for our whole relationship for me to accept that he was not the decent person I had believed he was. Since my eyes were opened, I have been shocked by the way he has blatantly re-written our relationship, making himself out to be a victim of my "control". He has outright lied about (minimised) how much I worked during our relationship, devalued the time and effort I put into parenting, told people I've done things I have never done and accused me of being abusive when I started standing up for myself.

Take a big, big step back and start to try to see this guy for who he really is.

All of this. My husband would say all of this too if we split up (on the cards). The truth is he left me to do everything, while being critical and nothing was ever good enough. It was demoralising and exhausting. Getting a job was difficult when the kids were little because he was never predictably at home, and I wouldn't have earned enough for childcare and he would have seen it as my responsibility to pay for it. All it would have meant is that I would've been even more exhausted and worse off.

She most likely binned him off because he's a selfish, gaslighting arse. Sorry.

Shoxfordian · 11/08/2022 06:07

He doesn’t sound like a supportive or caring person so you’re better off without him

JanglyBeads · 11/08/2022 06:31

Yup, @CheekyHobson has it exactly.

Do not underestimate the capacity of some men to lie about their ex wives.

bloodyunicorns · 11/08/2022 06:39

Jesus, no. He doesn't prioritise you or your relationship, he's not giving you what you need, he's not making you happy - why would you stay with him?

Relationships should be about what you need, not just about what your partner needs.

I'd end things then focus on yourself. Maybe the Freedom Programme would be helpful to help you recognise abuse and raise your boundaries.

He sounds totally selfish, inflexible, and uncaring. Life's too short for that!

I'm sorry about your mum's diagnosis and your parents' situation. Sounds very hard. 💐

Ohhhhladz · 11/08/2022 06:43

I don't see anything abusive or cruel in your behaviour. You're obviously not trying to hurt him, you just (understandably) don't have the resiliance, patience, or mental energy right now to centre him the way he wants and is used to. You need a little extra support and understanding, and he doesn't seem to have any to spare.

... should I just apologise and promise it will no longer happen? Only if you want to be back here posting the same thing in a month or three months or a year. Seriously, it sounds like a very unsatisfying relationship for you, but if there's any hope of it changing you have to be able to talk with and listen to each other, give each other roughly equal time, make a little extra effort when the other person's having a hard time, make some sacrifices for the other person trusting it will even out over time. You've basically said over and over that he doesn't listen to you, he literally cuts you off, changes the subject, refuses to speak to you. If that's the best he can do, it's a dead end.

Lozzerbmc · 11/08/2022 07:02

You are NOT abusive at all. you have been trying to make him understand you need more support than you are getting from him. He seems very selfish and very used to getting his own way- he likes it that way!!

I’m sorry about your mum and dad that must be really difficult to deal with.

Your partner should’ve taken you on a holiday. You deserve so much better than him. He has been abusive by blocking you. He doesnt deserve you

tribpot · 11/08/2022 07:11

This isn't a relationship. You've been performing the role of adoring girlfriend for him and I'm sure that was delightful for him after his wife expected him to step up and actually be a partner. But as soon as you had needs and wanted something more than just trailing around after him - you're being abusive, apparently.

Could you have expressed your needs better? Yes, probably. But this 'relationship' had no parameters for you to do that. You went silent because you knew perfect well if you tried to raise it with him he would become angry, throw accusations around of you 'nagging' (appallingly sexist word) and try to make you feel guilty. You've tried to suppress this resentment and so it keeps coming out in ways you wouldn't really want.

Why waste any more time on this? It's quite clear that he is never going to be a proper partner, that's not what he wants in his life. So if anything happened to you - you became ill or similar - he's going to be no help whatsoever, and would probably bail.

I would spend some time with yourself and think about why you don't feel you deserve more than this. I would imagine when it started this was meant to be a bit of fun, but as it's gone on you've tricked yourself into thinking it's more than it is. You've made allowance after allowance for his selfish behaviour - and for what.

Sunbird24 · 11/08/2022 07:20

There’s a distinct difference between ‘the silent treatment’ as a manipulation tactic, and either feeling overwhelmed and needing space or just giving up saying anything because you know you’re not being heard and whatever you do say is being thrown back in your face. Sounds like in your case it was the latter, so no you’re not abusive. You have emotional needs and he has no desire or capacity to support them. This is not an equal relationship, he only wants you as long as you’re prepared to make him the most important thing in your life. Get rid, he’s no use to you right now and probably never will be.

TooHotToTangoToo · 11/08/2022 07:26

It was good whilst you didn't cause him any stress or issues, and he didn't have to put any work into the relationship. Now the tables have turned slightly and you need support and flexibility from him and he's not happy to give it to you.

This man would be fine for a brief fling, but is NOT relationship material. You've had your fun with him, things change, your life has changed, and will again, move on from him, leave him to his selfishness, he's not suitable for you any longer

Moonface123 · 11/08/2022 07:41

He only wants the happy carefree version of you, because it suits him, he can't be bothered with anything deeper. Don' t change yourself to fit in with how he expects you to be, open your eyes and see him for the shallow, cold and manipulative man he is. He won' t change.

thedramaticrabbit · 11/08/2022 09:32

Thank you for all your answers. They were all so insightful around what has happened, recognising the situation completely, as well as my parents situation and my Dad's lack of availability, hard work or commitment.

Being accused of being abusive - even if he does unblock me and wants things to go back to normal after I have "learnt my lesson" - is almost like a step too far. Once that word starts getting used and repeated in a relationship, it starts to define the dynamic. You have all done a great job of making me feel like I am not abusive.

It's just so depressing though, isn't it? You get to a point where you feel that all men are shits. My husband was a shit. This guy is a shit.

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CheekyHobson · 11/08/2022 10:24

You get to a point where you feel that all men are shits. My husband was a shit. This guy is a shit.

No, not all men are shits. But something to recognise is that your picker is off, or has been off. You've been missing red flags of men who are shits, and that's something you need to work on in yourself so that next time you're not picking one because, say, he's the life of the party, he's great in bed, he's generous at the start of the relationship, he sweeps you off your feet with big promises etc.

Instead you look for someone who makes you feel great because they're solid and safe and secure and kind and thoughtful, because you know clearly what your values and likes and dislikes are and you're not in a rush to 'find your forever'. You're happy taking it slowly, you've got nothing to prove, you feel you can walk away at any time.... until it's been a long time and you realise there's really no reason to walk away because he's just a wonderful guy.

hewouldwouldnthe · 11/08/2022 10:44

He's never been your partner, just a friend with benefits with a few extras. He's been a fun outlet for both of you but you've read more into it than he has offered. By demanding more support he has reacted as expected and basically doesn't want to see you any more. Lucky escape.

tribpot · 11/08/2022 12:03

My husband was a shit. This guy is a shit.
I wouldn't say your dad has covered himself in glory either, although I can appreciate that is a very difficult and distressing situation for everyone.

It's certainly not true that all men are shits, but I would say your shit-tolerance level has been turned up way too high. And that fatalistic 'they're all the same' attitude will only lead you into another relationship with someone who doesn't value you properly.

Naunet · 11/08/2022 14:59

This man doesn’t want a partner, he wants a groupie/adoring fan. He’s so incredibly self centred and although you may have been able to overlook that in the past, you know need a proper relationship with an emotionally available man.

I'm also so sorry for your mum, your father has behaved appallingly, sadly I think you’re probably very used to selfish men.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 11/08/2022 15:30

He is just another selfish cunt. Tell him to get to fuck. You can do so much better. Sorry about your mum, I hope you get some support.

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