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Why does my mother do this?

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Wellthatgotbetter · 07/08/2022 23:08

I’m separated, and have been for 2 years, the divorce is almost final. ExH has the kids EOW, begrudgingly. He left, removed by the police after Years of controlling and bullying. There was no 3rd party but I am now seeing someone else and he goes out of his way to make this awkward, changing plans at the last minute etc.

Anyway, that’s how he is. My mother however has always tried to stay in his good graces. I cannot fathom why. He was vile to me, she knew it and carried on staying in touch with him. I made it very clear that that was unacceptable and he had hurt and abused me and was manipulating her and she said she wouldn’t contact him.

Fast forward until today. The children are with him, I was due to collect them from their halfway point at 6pm but I was unavoidably delayed and apologised and apologised and said I’d pick them up from his place, saving him the drive. He however had decided he wanted to go out, and sent me ranting messages about how he won’t be having them again in august as he needs time to recover from his demanding job (computer programmer…) and that he would be dropping them with my mother. He got one of the kids to call her, and she said yes fine, bring them here. She didn’t check with me first and he dropped them there at 4 so a full two hours ahead of the agreed pickup. I rang her and she said “where are you? And where are you meant to be? I didn’t know anything about this!” I said this was the ex being difficult again, he knew what we had arranged and I was furious she had stepped in to be his backup childcare. She said “I said yes because my grandson asked me.”

I said “all you had to do was say you’d check with me first.” But she disagreed and I said “mum, he says jump and you say “how high?”” I also asked who she thought she was helping by doing this, and she said in super dramatic voice “I’m helping my grandchildren.” And then she said “if you’ve just called to abuse me as usual, I’m not listening.” And ended the call.

She has done this for YEARS, he went to the pub almost every night (and that was where he was going tonight) and she would give him a lift. I went out one evening without his permission (yes, that’s right) to Tesco and he said that he wanted to go out and unless I came back immediately he would leave the children alone, and he was calling a taxi right that moment. I phoned my mum in a panic and she went over and he was still there. She waited with him and then gave him a lift to the pub.

And last year she bought him Father’s Day presents from the kids. It blows my mind that she can’t see how disloyal it is. She said that she was trying to show the children how they should behave.

Why is she doing this?

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WeAreTheHeroes · 07/08/2022 23:13

Because she's being manipulated by him and thinks she won't see her grandchildren? If her relationship with you is rocky she may think this is the way to protect her own interests.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 07/08/2022 23:19

That’s a possibility I suppose. It rather throws me under the bus though. She just takes his side.

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DenholmElliot1 · 07/08/2022 23:30

I agree with the PP. She's just trying to stay in touch with her grandchildren and is worried that as things are so rocky between you and her that the best way of doing it is to maintain some kind of relationship with him.

How old are the kids?

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WeAreTheHeroes · 07/08/2022 23:30

Maybe she's intimidated by him and doesn't want to argue with him? She may simply be scared of him.

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fifteenohfour · 07/08/2022 23:33

Looks like she is trying to maintain a peaceful environment for the kids BUT Her refusal to acknowledge his vile behaviour is like a continuation of the gaslighting I'm sure you experienced, she is making it seem like you are the one over reacting, you are one always making a problem. It works for her because she remains in his good graces and can play the martyr card with you.

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hotfroth · 07/08/2022 23:34

Has your mum been conditioned to behave like this with men? What was/is her relationship like with her father, and with your dad. Some women seem to have this ingrained subservience.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 07/08/2022 23:36

They are all tweens. And yes there was MASSIVE gaslighting. She’s like a study of narcissism tbh, I just don’t get how she can be so disloyal to me because it’s annoyed me so much I feel like cutting her off, in which case she’s just created what she fears most. And clearly doesn’t give a shit about me, it’s all about having access to my kids, one of them in particular actually. She’s not bothered about the other two.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 07/08/2022 23:37

hotfroth · 07/08/2022 23:34

Has your mum been conditioned to behave like this with men? What was/is her relationship like with her father, and with your dad. Some women seem to have this ingrained subservience.

She was a Daddy’s girl, the longed for daughter after 5 siblings including one other girl who sadly died.

She completely dominated my Late dad.

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Geppili · 07/08/2022 23:44

I'd say this could be the behaviour of a narcissistically challenged person. She is not putting your needs and feelings first. She is being very disloyal to you.

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DenholmElliot1 · 07/08/2022 23:49

Your mum did you a favour today - taking the kids because you were late to collect them.

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Geppili · 07/08/2022 23:50

And true to narcissistic form, she is feeding off the drama; denying she has done anything wrong. Then invoking HER grandson reveals that she narcissistically views your children as (hers). Horrible! My mother was very similar to this. It is a form of covert abuse. It can make you feel insane!

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Geppili · 07/08/2022 23:52

She should have rung Op to check. You always do that with children who aren't yours. Op was going to be there. The Ex dropped kids off two hours early!

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Onandupw · 07/08/2022 23:52

If your ex is reluctant to have your children and is an awful man why on earth are you making your children go to him eow?

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Escapingafter50years · 07/08/2022 23:58

She is likely the reason you ended up with a controlling and bullying husband. You were probably not allowed put yourself first, it was all about her. So you learned to put your perfectly allowable needs behind everyone else. Your mother is a damaged person and has no insight into her behaviour, she doesn't see you as a person in your own right and in her mind whatever she does is ok. But her behaviour towards you is outrageous, I hope you realise that.
Have a look at the Stately Homes threads here, sadly there are many, many women posting there, who have abusive mothers that have blighted their lives, but there is great support and advice to be had.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 00:03

DenholmElliot1 · 07/08/2022 23:49

Your mum did you a favour today - taking the kids because you were late to collect them.

No, she didn’t. He dropped them 2 hours early. She did him a favour so he could fuck off to the pub.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 00:07

Onandupw · 07/08/2022 23:52

If your ex is reluctant to have your children and is an awful man why on earth are you making your children go to him eow?

I’m not. They love him and want to see him. He loves them too but it’s “very hard” to mind them, for 4 nights a month, see? <eye roll>

He sees it as baby sitting and also resents facilitating my seeing someone else. He’s quite open about that.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 00:07

Escapingafter50years · 07/08/2022 23:58

She is likely the reason you ended up with a controlling and bullying husband. You were probably not allowed put yourself first, it was all about her. So you learned to put your perfectly allowable needs behind everyone else. Your mother is a damaged person and has no insight into her behaviour, she doesn't see you as a person in your own right and in her mind whatever she does is ok. But her behaviour towards you is outrageous, I hope you realise that.
Have a look at the Stately Homes threads here, sadly there are many, many women posting there, who have abusive mothers that have blighted their lives, but there is great support and advice to be had.

That resonates strongly. But what does she get out of it though?

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Escapingafter50years · 08/08/2022 00:23

I wish I could tell you what she gets out of it. These people seem to get pure joy out of destroying people they should love. I am a year no contact (NC) with my "mother". Nearly every time I saw her, she would try to bait me into an argument. I would try to stay calm, ignore, let it roll over me, whatever. So she would try a different topic. I'd do the same, try to stay calm, ignore ... Eventually I would get mad at her and then she would act the victim. What on earth is the point? Wouldn't life be a lot easier for us if she didn't do this but tried to be nice? But there is something in her, probably caused in her own childhood, that makes her behave horrifically to me although she still professes to people that she loves me.

Have a look at this Instagram page. I identify with far too many of the posts put up on this account. I'd also suggest you read up on narcissistic mothers. People think it's rare, sadly I think there are a huge amount of these "mothers" who destroy their daughters' mental health, and often their marriages.
www.instagram.com/understandingthenarc/

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 01:29

Wow there are a lot of posts on there that are spot on. Especially one about a narc creating drama if they’re not centre of attention. ONG literally every single major birthday, wedding, funeral, the lot, she has to be centre stage or sabotages.

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autienotnaughty · 08/08/2022 03:37

It sound likes she's a woman who believes men are superior so therefore he couldn't be wrong. My mother thought my dh was amazing because he cooked at a weekend and once asked me if I took the kids out the living room when he comes in from work so he can have some 'quiet time' (we both worked full time)
Or is it possible he's brainwashed her and because of her difficult relationship with you she believes it.

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GossamerGlowingGreen · 08/08/2022 06:22

Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 00:07

That resonates strongly. But what does she get out of it though?

Oh god, don’t fall into this trap. You are already blaming your Mother for everything, this Mumsnet road, will not help you.

Try to step back from your drama

It’s annoying, it would be better it hadn’t happened, your mother was in a lose lose situation.

But she made sure her grandchildren were looked after.

Find the positive, and you will have a happier life.

Invest in these no contact, narcissistic, grey rock joy suckers with their own agenda, and you’ll be miserable

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Ticksallboxes · 08/08/2022 06:32

I agree with @GossamerGlowingGreen - she's just trying to be there for her grandchildren.

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maddy68 · 08/08/2022 06:52

She is I think doing the right thing. She wants to avoid drama and maintain a good relationship with him for the sake of her grandchildren. If she is happy to have them for a couple of hours to help out with childcare then what's the problem?

You are being a bit dramatic about this you want her to be confrontational with him and possibly him stop her contact ?

This is the better option she isn't taking his side. She's taking her grandchildrens

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 08:05

I don’t get why she didn’t call me to see if it was ok. It wasn’t ok. It was the ex dumping the kids early and using her as backup childcare.

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 08:07

maddy68 · 08/08/2022 06:52

She is I think doing the right thing. She wants to avoid drama and maintain a good relationship with him for the sake of her grandchildren. If she is happy to have them for a couple of hours to help out with childcare then what's the problem?

You are being a bit dramatic about this you want her to be confrontational with him and possibly him stop her contact ?

This is the better option she isn't taking his side. She's taking her grandchildrens

I think it is hideously disloyal to maintain a relationship with your daughter’s abusive ex! She doesn’t need to do that - she sees the kids loads, lives locally to me and knows what a manipulative arse he is.

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