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Why does my mother do this?

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Wellthatgotbetter · 07/08/2022 23:08

I’m separated, and have been for 2 years, the divorce is almost final. ExH has the kids EOW, begrudgingly. He left, removed by the police after Years of controlling and bullying. There was no 3rd party but I am now seeing someone else and he goes out of his way to make this awkward, changing plans at the last minute etc.

Anyway, that’s how he is. My mother however has always tried to stay in his good graces. I cannot fathom why. He was vile to me, she knew it and carried on staying in touch with him. I made it very clear that that was unacceptable and he had hurt and abused me and was manipulating her and she said she wouldn’t contact him.

Fast forward until today. The children are with him, I was due to collect them from their halfway point at 6pm but I was unavoidably delayed and apologised and apologised and said I’d pick them up from his place, saving him the drive. He however had decided he wanted to go out, and sent me ranting messages about how he won’t be having them again in august as he needs time to recover from his demanding job (computer programmer…) and that he would be dropping them with my mother. He got one of the kids to call her, and she said yes fine, bring them here. She didn’t check with me first and he dropped them there at 4 so a full two hours ahead of the agreed pickup. I rang her and she said “where are you? And where are you meant to be? I didn’t know anything about this!” I said this was the ex being difficult again, he knew what we had arranged and I was furious she had stepped in to be his backup childcare. She said “I said yes because my grandson asked me.”

I said “all you had to do was say you’d check with me first.” But she disagreed and I said “mum, he says jump and you say “how high?”” I also asked who she thought she was helping by doing this, and she said in super dramatic voice “I’m helping my grandchildren.” And then she said “if you’ve just called to abuse me as usual, I’m not listening.” And ended the call.

She has done this for YEARS, he went to the pub almost every night (and that was where he was going tonight) and she would give him a lift. I went out one evening without his permission (yes, that’s right) to Tesco and he said that he wanted to go out and unless I came back immediately he would leave the children alone, and he was calling a taxi right that moment. I phoned my mum in a panic and she went over and he was still there. She waited with him and then gave him a lift to the pub.

And last year she bought him Father’s Day presents from the kids. It blows my mind that she can’t see how disloyal it is. She said that she was trying to show the children how they should behave.

Why is she doing this?

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Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 08:10

autienotnaughty · 08/08/2022 03:37

It sound likes she's a woman who believes men are superior so therefore he couldn't be wrong. My mother thought my dh was amazing because he cooked at a weekend and once asked me if I took the kids out the living room when he comes in from work so he can have some 'quiet time' (we both worked full time)
Or is it possible he's brainwashed her and because of her difficult relationship with you she believes it.

There is an element of that. She didn’t like him doing baby stuff when they were little - he would for example start to change a nappy, she would nudge him out of the way and then tell me to take over!
Throughout our divorce she believed everything he told her and disbelieved me, and did everything she could to stop me as she didn’t want a divorced daughter/family shame etc.

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mugginsalert · 08/08/2022 08:32

My mum prides herself on being the peacekeeper and getting on with her children's exes. To the extent my brother was living in a van in a lay-by because he was paying the mortgage for his ex, and she took food round to his ex but not him. A few years down the line and she is dramatically betrayed and upset when the exes demonstrate the same disregard towards her as they did to her own children. My brother and I think its a combination of low self esteem (she takes an appeasement approach to bullies and a passive aggressive approach to any other disagreement and really struggles with experiencing anger) and some arrogance where she can't accept that someone else's view would be more informed than her own and she prioritises her own relationship with ex over her kids' experience. Prior to the inevitable disillusionment she would say things like ' they've always been absolutely fine with me and ' I think its best for everyone if I keep the communication lines open' and ' I know what they did isn't right, but I wasnt there so I won't judge.' (Referring to exes infidelity) and ' i don't want to think about what happened'

It's weird, it's like she hasn't any warm instinct to take her kids' side, keeping the peace is more important.

In your example, it sounds like he's playing her, but the fault is his mainly - he's taking advantage. I would ask her if she minds being the emergency backup if you are unavoidably detained, but you will call her not him, so the favour is to you. Expect to need to be there for her when the scales drop eventually.

A580Hojas · 08/08/2022 08:36

She didn't want to get into a fight with your ex over a couple of hours childcare. How was she to know this wasn't agreed with you?

From what you have told us I think you have been unfair on this occasion. Her ongoing relationship with him - that's another story.

The whole situation sounds just incredibly toxic for your children.

spanishsummers · 08/08/2022 08:40

I agree with @A580Hojas

allboysherebutme · 08/08/2022 22:55

He manipulates her like he used to do to you, did your father do this to her as well ? It maybe what she's used to. X

Wellthatgotbetter · 08/08/2022 23:00

No quite the reverse. She bullied my father mercilessly.

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