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DP and porn. Lies. Then more porn. Then more lies.

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GoT1904 · 05/08/2022 19:22

Can I start by saying I was a porn user for a long time and we watch together as a couple. Prefer independently made porn as I don't necessarily agree with what goes on within the professional industry but hey ho.

At the beginning of our relationship DP cheated on me. I managed to overcome it. Although I foolishly believed that it was not physical. I found evidence months later that proves it was physical. It was awful. But, I managed to get through it with him and we built trust back.

Some months later, I was going through some personal things and was feeling particularly low about myself. I noticed that DP was looking at a lot of porn. Not porn videos to get off to. But just pictures of women. He would look whilst I was in the room with him, whilst I was cooking his tea, when his family were round, whilst the kids were in the room (although they couldn't see).

I spoke with him about how it was hurting my self esteem a bit, like I'd be excited for him to come home from work and would make him a coffee etc, but the first thing he'd do is sit down and look at naked women? Not even interact with the kids. I wasn't saying this so as to make him stop necessarily, but to maybe tone it down a bit when I'm around and also.. I honestly wanted some reassurance. That I'm fine as I am and him looking at these women weren't a reflection of our relationship or me. (Before I'm flamed - I know I wasn't thinking rationally there).

He spent hours a day on tiktok and I looked at his history one day, because it niggled at me, and his feed and likes were like 85% women. Dancing, taking clothes off, linking to their only fans. We spoke and he removed tiktok. I didn't ask him to, but he said he didn't need it and it was just a habit.

He carried on with the googling and once again I sought some reassurance. I started to compare myself to his ex and DC's mum (who he cheated with) at the start, and found myself doing it again with these women. He said he won't look any more if it makes me feel bad, he will just look when we're together and both want to. I reassured him I wasn't asking him to stop, just that I felt fragile and kept comparing myself. I didn't want to eat really because of all these beautiful and stick thin women he likes.

Then a while after he was googling nudes, I asked him and he made it my fault. Then said it was an impulse but he closed it down before looking.

Today I was bored and used his phone to peruse MN whilst mine charged. I went to have a look at the AIBU on Reddit as well.. and whilst there I saw that he signed up to Reddit 8 days ago and 99.9% of his history was porn. I think I'm especially sensitive currently as I'm pregnant.

He is saying that he hadn't looked at a single thing. He doesn't know how it got there. He's not lying. Then he's deleted his Facebook, Reddit, Snapchat, everything??? To 'prove' to me that I can trust him. I've told him I think this is a massive over-reaction and that he doesn't need to delete things? But trust it built on truth and can he tell me the truth.

Turns out he can't tell me the truth.

Honestly I have wobbles now and again about comparing myself to these women, and I just want reassurance. If he could reassure me in a way like... "I look because I enjoy it, but I love you and X, Y, Z" that's all it would take. To make me feel better. But then he decided to stop watching... Only carried on, but lies about it.

Given that I know he's capable of cheating it makes me nervous. What do I do?

I know a lot will say "it's just a bit of porn" and that's right. But it has become a big thing because of the lies and secrecy. I don't feel as though I've made him be secret and lie, because I never said don't watch it.... I just simply wanted some reassurance as I felt he was more interested in looking at women online than me at times.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Nautica · 06/08/2022 17:16

Perple · 06/08/2022 16:28

independently produced porn? Is that meant to be ethical porn? No such thing.

and hey ho to there maybe being something a bit wrong with this? But whatever?

if you’ve had a childhood of being abused and groomed then I am deeply sympathetic to that - but pretending that there is such a thing as ethical porn is simply supporting a culture that directly leads to other children being groomed and abused.

Are you a porn expert? Not sure how you can know that. If it doesn't align with your morals, fine, but down bash the op when she's already low, that's not helpful to anyone and it doesn't get your point across.

Perple · 06/08/2022 17:20

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GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 17:52

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Really, why be so awful?

If you disagree with something. Open a dialogue. Educate them. Be open to differing views. Why would you purposely come on here and be nasty?

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OldFan · 06/08/2022 18:27

It's not just an addiction to porn that he can't control- he chose to cheat on you, too. Angry

This to me shows he's likely to be a sleazeball rather than just a potentially decent guy who has an addiction that could be overcome, IMHO.

OldFan · 06/08/2022 18:35

Watching people that publish adult videos independently is not watching people be abused

The thing is @GoT1904 you can't fully know whether the women might've been somewhat pressured into doing it. We probably all have experience of men trying to coerce us into doing certain things. My last ex would've loved me to be a prostitute or sex worker I imagine- it would've turned him on probably. He was always pushing me to do sexual stuff of numerous kinds.

OldFan · 06/08/2022 18:38

The fact is a lot of people who do sexual stuff for money/attention are vulnerable and/or from abusive backgrounds. We're using them if we use them for porn, even if they seem to be doing it willingly.

Aikko · 06/08/2022 23:05

Porn is so normalised in society that it’s actually quite tragic.
It is one of the causes of a lot of marital and also sexual issues in people. So sad.

GoT1904 · 07/08/2022 09:27

OldFan · 06/08/2022 18:35

Watching people that publish adult videos independently is not watching people be abused

The thing is @GoT1904 you can't fully know whether the women might've been somewhat pressured into doing it. We probably all have experience of men trying to coerce us into doing certain things. My last ex would've loved me to be a prostitute or sex worker I imagine- it would've turned him on probably. He was always pushing me to do sexual stuff of numerous kinds.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm going to do some reading today.

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GoT1904 · 07/08/2022 09:29

I think this is day 2 of the house just being incredibly awkward. We've not broached the topic. He's tried a few times to be light-hearted and go back to normal but I just can't.

I couldn't sleep last night for sweaty palms and palpitations. He asked why I couldn't sleep and I told him because of all this stuff that's going on, he didn't reply.

I'm so tired and stressed. :( Morning sickness has been especially bad this morning. Wondering if it's because I can't eat properly. I want to talk in a way, but don't because I know he will lie to me and it'll just feel worse.

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GoT1904 · 07/08/2022 10:21

He says that he hasn't looked at it and isn't going to admit to something he hasn't done.

Does anybody else know Reddit and how it stores history?

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Nonymus · 07/08/2022 16:19

You have to put your own mental health and well being first.. Before that of your porn addicted husband. If he doesn't get the issue is his you need to protectyourself. I have tried ignoring husbands behaviour and even when I told him I hated his porn use and found him on sex cam chats he blamed it all on me. He has argued it's just fantasy and he really has mentally screwed me up. I no longer am intimate with him and his lifelong porn obsession has put me right off him sexually.. Now that's his only outlet so he thinks it's better than an affair. I have told him to leave the marriage and find a woman who will put up with it. He has used what I now see as emotional blackmail to say he will stop the cam girl sex chats and porn if I have sex with him. He is desperate for me to love him like I used to... He says he feels guilty and has considered taking his life if he can't have me and feels guikty... It has felt very much my responsibility and he will not take responsibility for his choices. I am now very angry with him.. It feels manipulative and coercive and I honestly have been nothing but kind and l oving whilst burying my own hurt. But I've reached my limit... You must draw the line somewhere and make them face the choices they are making...addiction destroys trust

PlantChef · 07/08/2022 16:36

I’d be more concerned about Snapchat to be honest. Conversations had there are auto deleted.

HoneyIShrunkThePizza · 07/08/2022 17:22

He checks your phone? He's a liar and a cheat too?

You really really need to know this won't get any better. You won't fix him. You either need to live with a lech and a cheat or just leave.

OldFan · 07/08/2022 23:18

He has used what I now see as emotional blackmail to say he will stop the cam girl sex chats and porn if I have sex with him. He is desperate for me to love him like I used to... He says he feels guilty and has considered taking his life if he can't have me and feels guikty... It has felt very much my responsibility and he will not take responsibility for his choices. I am now very angry with him.. It feels manipulative and coercive and I honestly have been nothing but kind and l oving whilst burying my own hurt. But I've reached my limit... You must draw the line somewhere and make them face the choices they are making...addiction destroys trust

@Nonymus What you describe isn't a result of addiction. He's being abusive emotionally, psychologically, sexually. I'm glad if you've reached your limit and pray that you'll soon be free.

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