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DP and porn. Lies. Then more porn. Then more lies.

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GoT1904 · 05/08/2022 19:22

Can I start by saying I was a porn user for a long time and we watch together as a couple. Prefer independently made porn as I don't necessarily agree with what goes on within the professional industry but hey ho.

At the beginning of our relationship DP cheated on me. I managed to overcome it. Although I foolishly believed that it was not physical. I found evidence months later that proves it was physical. It was awful. But, I managed to get through it with him and we built trust back.

Some months later, I was going through some personal things and was feeling particularly low about myself. I noticed that DP was looking at a lot of porn. Not porn videos to get off to. But just pictures of women. He would look whilst I was in the room with him, whilst I was cooking his tea, when his family were round, whilst the kids were in the room (although they couldn't see).

I spoke with him about how it was hurting my self esteem a bit, like I'd be excited for him to come home from work and would make him a coffee etc, but the first thing he'd do is sit down and look at naked women? Not even interact with the kids. I wasn't saying this so as to make him stop necessarily, but to maybe tone it down a bit when I'm around and also.. I honestly wanted some reassurance. That I'm fine as I am and him looking at these women weren't a reflection of our relationship or me. (Before I'm flamed - I know I wasn't thinking rationally there).

He spent hours a day on tiktok and I looked at his history one day, because it niggled at me, and his feed and likes were like 85% women. Dancing, taking clothes off, linking to their only fans. We spoke and he removed tiktok. I didn't ask him to, but he said he didn't need it and it was just a habit.

He carried on with the googling and once again I sought some reassurance. I started to compare myself to his ex and DC's mum (who he cheated with) at the start, and found myself doing it again with these women. He said he won't look any more if it makes me feel bad, he will just look when we're together and both want to. I reassured him I wasn't asking him to stop, just that I felt fragile and kept comparing myself. I didn't want to eat really because of all these beautiful and stick thin women he likes.

Then a while after he was googling nudes, I asked him and he made it my fault. Then said it was an impulse but he closed it down before looking.

Today I was bored and used his phone to peruse MN whilst mine charged. I went to have a look at the AIBU on Reddit as well.. and whilst there I saw that he signed up to Reddit 8 days ago and 99.9% of his history was porn. I think I'm especially sensitive currently as I'm pregnant.

He is saying that he hadn't looked at a single thing. He doesn't know how it got there. He's not lying. Then he's deleted his Facebook, Reddit, Snapchat, everything??? To 'prove' to me that I can trust him. I've told him I think this is a massive over-reaction and that he doesn't need to delete things? But trust it built on truth and can he tell me the truth.

Turns out he can't tell me the truth.

Honestly I have wobbles now and again about comparing myself to these women, and I just want reassurance. If he could reassure me in a way like... "I look because I enjoy it, but I love you and X, Y, Z" that's all it would take. To make me feel better. But then he decided to stop watching... Only carried on, but lies about it.

Given that I know he's capable of cheating it makes me nervous. What do I do?

I know a lot will say "it's just a bit of porn" and that's right. But it has become a big thing because of the lies and secrecy. I don't feel as though I've made him be secret and lie, because I never said don't watch it.... I just simply wanted some reassurance as I felt he was more interested in looking at women online than me at times.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Aquamarine1029 · 05/08/2022 23:28

GoT1904 · 05/08/2022 23:17

He is being short and snappy with me.

I said "why are you cross?"
"Because you don't trust me"
"Can you blame me, given what I've seen?"
"You obviously didn't trust me to look"

.... He's making this all my fault? My head is so messy.

FFS. Stop wasting your time. This relationship is already over.

allboysherebutme · 05/08/2022 23:32

I'd be asking him to leave, x

BoxedOut · 06/08/2022 00:15

Especially being pregnant, if you think he might react badly due to his ADHD, think carefully about when and how to leave him. Don't do it in a rush, you need to have planned it out very carefully and be sure of what you're doing so you can leave safely.

scarletisjustred · 06/08/2022 03:45

People with ADHD dont have a licence to have loud violent temper tantrums. We might be hyperactive, be impulsive, struggle with executive functions or zone out on boring things but we dont necessarily rage at anybody. My ADHD son is the least confrontational person I've ever met. I always told him that the world won't change for us and we have to learn how to make accommodations and fit in. I suspect ADHD is just a another excuse of your "DP" for bad behaviour.

MackenCheese · 06/08/2022 04:35

You not only need to leave him, but you need to seek counselling for yourself to figure out why your bar is so low when is comes to men. He sounds awful.

mathanxiety · 06/08/2022 05:02

Why do you keep calling yourself pathetic?

You're asking that your husband choose to stop seeking out and ogling images and videos of naked women.

That's not a big ask. It's really not.

The only pathetic person in your life is the stupid waste of space sitting on the couch with his phone.

mathanxiety · 06/08/2022 05:06

And yeah, the cheating.

He's a scumbag.

Talk to your midwife about your options wrt getting him to leave.

Aikko · 06/08/2022 05:46

He’s addicted to porn and sexualised images of women on Tiktok, Instagram etc… He won’t change unless he wants to change, but it sounds like he’s in denial.

Time for you to take control and move on.

Shoxfordian · 06/08/2022 07:24

He has no respect for you
Make the decision and leave him

GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 08:18

I'm going to make an apt with women's space on Monday. I'm just going to try and get through until then. And try not to let him guilt trip me for what's going on at the moment. I've not said anything about leaving.

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 06/08/2022 09:45

OP, please protect yourself and DC. You are vulnerable and at risk from this man who frightens you. Please contact a domestic violence charity eg Womens Aid or Refuge and take their advice for getting away from him safely. Please don’t take any risks eg by confronting him or saying you’re leaving. Best of luck.

GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 13:57

Re: his ADHD. I'm not saying it's an excuse for his anger, but he struggles greatly with emotional regulation due to it. And I think that's why. When he cheated on me and we split for a few days, he really put me through the ringer. I thought we'd made a lot of progress since then. He's waiting for therapy and is now medicated. Like a different man.

Although obviously not so much.

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SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 06/08/2022 14:15

My dad used to look at porn when we were in the room, behind a newspaper - we knew what he was looking at.

GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 15:25

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 06/08/2022 14:15

My dad used to look at porn when we were in the room, behind a newspaper - we knew what he was looking at.

I'm sorry to hear that :(

I don't think they'll have had any idea. I didn't tbh.

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GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 16:07

I've come out to see my cousin to get some advice. She has read the thread and agrees with everyone's comments. I've spoken to my friend who works at women's center and she's given me details of who I need to contact.

I guess I'm just updating as a way to get it out.

He text me when I got to my cousin's saying "where else have you been?" Because I went to the shop first.

This whole process is going to be awful. :(

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I've spent a childhood being abused, groomed and trafficked. Watching people that publish adult videos independently is not watching people be abused and shame on you for kicking me when I'm down!

My children are fine, thanks. They are happy, healthy and very loved.

You, however, are awful.

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Perple · 06/08/2022 16:28

independently produced porn? Is that meant to be ethical porn? No such thing.

and hey ho to there maybe being something a bit wrong with this? But whatever?

if you’ve had a childhood of being abused and groomed then I am deeply sympathetic to that - but pretending that there is such a thing as ethical porn is simply supporting a culture that directly leads to other children being groomed and abused.

layladomino · 06/08/2022 16:29

I'm so pleased you've got support IRL as well as on here. His porn use is far from 'normal'... looking at porn when other people are in the room is vile. Doing it when your own parents / children are in the room is beyond disgusting. He has no respect for you, nor for his parents and children if he's happy to do that. It sounds like he is a poor partner in many ways, not least his porn habit and cheating, and the gas lighting, and checking up on you when you've done nothing wrong. You said your head is messy - that's because he's made it messy. It isn't you. There's nothing wrong with you. Once you leave him you'll see that your head becomes a lot more clear suddenly. All the best.

Perple · 06/08/2022 16:32

Porn is not victimless entertainment

donquixotedelamancha · 06/08/2022 16:34

Noone's going to say that about someone looking at porn in their living room around their kids or while the tea's on.

This. It's not normal behaviour for men or women. It's really weird to just want to look at porn in the same way one might read MN and suggests enormous problems with boundaries.

If he doesn't want to fix this obsession, I can't see any option but to LTB. It's deeply unhealthy for the kids, quite apart from the effect on you.

Bananaman123 · 06/08/2022 16:48

I’m just out of a 19 yr relationship. Within the first few months I found phots on his phone, texts to women, porn etc. I met him at the most vulnerable time in my life and was quite suicidal. He made me feel like he did all that because I didn’t give him enough love and attention and I believed him. Throughout the 19 years I caught him often sexting, looking at women while he was sat next to me. He went out every weekend for his hobby and cheated on me frequently, he was never good at hiding it and he knew I would stay with him because I had no selfworth.

at around 10 hrs he had an operation that meant he couldn’t physically get an erection. I stupidly thought that would be the end of it like he wouldn’t have the urge to talk to women online etc. I stopped checking his phone then last year I had to open his phone to get some numbers and he never stopped. Signed up to loads of dating sites saying he was single, lots of emails from girls. Thinking about it now I feel sick.

I can’t offer advise as I didn’t have children with him but god I feel like I have wasted so much of my life, now too old for kids. I deserve better and someone making you feel like you are the one being unreasonable is the one in the wrong.

GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 16:54

Perple · 06/08/2022 16:32

Porn is not victimless entertainment

I respect your views but there are ways to put them forwards instead of jumping on a thread when someone is going through a very hard time.

And yes, that was my history.

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GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 16:56

Bananaman123 · 06/08/2022 16:48

I’m just out of a 19 yr relationship. Within the first few months I found phots on his phone, texts to women, porn etc. I met him at the most vulnerable time in my life and was quite suicidal. He made me feel like he did all that because I didn’t give him enough love and attention and I believed him. Throughout the 19 years I caught him often sexting, looking at women while he was sat next to me. He went out every weekend for his hobby and cheated on me frequently, he was never good at hiding it and he knew I would stay with him because I had no selfworth.

at around 10 hrs he had an operation that meant he couldn’t physically get an erection. I stupidly thought that would be the end of it like he wouldn’t have the urge to talk to women online etc. I stopped checking his phone then last year I had to open his phone to get some numbers and he never stopped. Signed up to loads of dating sites saying he was single, lots of emails from girls. Thinking about it now I feel sick.

I can’t offer advise as I didn’t have children with him but god I feel like I have wasted so much of my life, now too old for kids. I deserve better and someone making you feel like you are the one being unreasonable is the one in the wrong.

I too met him at a vulnerable time. I was going through a court case with a past abuser and was out of a 7 year marriage, plus in lockdown and everything was a bit all over.

Are you still with that man? :( You do not deserve that.

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GoT1904 · 06/08/2022 16:57

donquixotedelamancha · 06/08/2022 16:34

Noone's going to say that about someone looking at porn in their living room around their kids or while the tea's on.

This. It's not normal behaviour for men or women. It's really weird to just want to look at porn in the same way one might read MN and suggests enormous problems with boundaries.

If he doesn't want to fix this obsession, I can't see any option but to LTB. It's deeply unhealthy for the kids, quite apart from the effect on you.

I felt within myself that it wasn't okay. But until I started this thread I genuinely didn't know how bad it was. Thanks for your input.

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